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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: cupasoop on Friday 08 December 17 09:48 GMT (UK)
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Looking to see if there's more information available regarding a death by being run over by a train in Glasgow in 1916. I've got the death certificate which says "registered on the information by procurator fiscal". Does the PF make reports public after a period of time? I can also only find 1 newspaper article relating to this, in the Scotsman no less. Cant find anything mentioned in any of the Glasgow papers.
James Dallas, D 30/11/1916
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Is there anything written in the left hand panel of the death certificate ?
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/birth-death-and-marriage-records/register-of-corrected-entries
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Nope, nothing. No rce mentioned :-\
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There might have been a Fatal Accident Inquiry, or some other legal process under the rules about industrial accidents, but my grasp of these is limited. Try the National Records of Scotland htps://nrscotland.gov.uk
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Hi Nothing showing in NRS records that I can see, sorry. isk
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Might need some deeper digging into accident records - they may not all be indexed by the name of the victim.
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Thanks folks. This NRS site confuses me, where do you search for records on it and whats available? Anytime I look at it all I find are indexes. Are there record available to view on there?
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Thanks folks. This NRS site confuses me, where do you search for records on it and whats available? Anytime I look at it all I find are indexes. Are there record available to view on there?
No. The NRS has vast resources but most of them have not (yet) been digitised. They hold many of the records of the proceedings in courts of law in Scotland, including surviving records of investigations of accidents at work.
Use their research guides to get an idea of the sort of material they hold, and whether there might be a record of an investigation into your man's death. If so, you would probably need to commission someone to search on your behalf.
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Can't guarantee success, but you might find something on "The Railways Archive" site (http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/).
Istrice
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I have an ancestor who died from a fall while working for Glasgow & South western railway in 1916. Many failed attempts before finding his records and am afraid a can't offer any help but might be wort trying this site its fairly new and ongoing project but they respond to email or twitter fairly quick.
http://www.railwayaccidents.port.ac.uk/ (http://www.railwayaccidents.port.ac.uk/)
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I would think it is unlikely that there was an FAI if there is no RCE attached to register entry. It may be that there was nothing really to look into/nothing in the public interest, so there was no need for an inquiry :( .
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I would think it is unlikely that there was an FAI if there is no RCE attached to register entry. It may be that there was nothing really to look into/nothing in the public interest, so there was no need for an inquiry :( .
I would agree.
Looking at the details provided this death does NOT appear to be employment related - possibly he was taking a shortcut home or to work across the rail line. Secondly, there is no RCE because the circumstances have been reported by the PF therefore there is no earlier report to correct.
Normally the family/next of kin etc will report the death to the Registrar and upon completion of any Sudden Death Inquiry the PF sends further information to the Registrar correcting or adding to the initial reports - it is this amended information which is recorded in any entry in the Register of Corrected Entries. In this case as the Informant of the death is recorded as the PF it would appear that no family or next of kin made any initial report.
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Glasgow Herald - 31 Oct 1916
James Dallas, a machineman, who resided at 13, Anderson St., Kinning Park, was found dead last night on the up passenger main line between Moorepark Junction and Govan Railway Station. Dallas who was employed in the Howden Boiler Works, Helen St., Govan, was seen leaving his work, and some time later his body was found lying on the line. Shunting operations were in progress at the time, and it is conjectured that Dallas was endeavouring to cross between the tracks when he was knocked down.
Page 5, column 4
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Brilliant, many thanks. I looked up the exact spot the report describes and it turns out I used to work on that site, long after it was a shunting yard. Amazing how often my path has crossed with my ancestors.
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I found this thread in hopes of finding out more about James Dallas while doing family history research - he was the first husband of my great-grandma, so I'm not directly related.
Just wanted to say thanks for the newspaper clipping, it's very insightful.
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Would that have been Joanna Ellis Murray?
James was my grans uncle, so my gt gt uncle.
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Would that have been Joanna Ellis Murray?
James was my grans uncle, so my gt gt uncle.
That's right! Her daughter Irene was my grandmother. My family tree so far is on ancestry, if you'd like to PM me I could send a link. Afraid I don't personally have any more information about him, but if I do find any I'll let you know :)
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