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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Scott_M on Friday 08 December 17 22:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi guys
Hope I can get some help on this one
I have been able to find out a bit about Fanny Nabbs ancestry but trying to track down a clue from the marriage of the two named in the subject..
John Graham was born in Renfrewshire, Scotland abt 1866 and wondering if the marriage record in 1899 may reveal the names of johns parents which may open the door up on Johns history ?
Greatly appreciate anyone's time and help
Thanks
Scott Morland
New Zealand
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The marriage was "Registry Office or Registrar attended", so possibly Non-Conformist or R.C. It's not on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website.
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English marriage certificates only show the name and occupation of the father. The witnesses might be related to the bride or groom but are not identified as such.
Copies of certificates can be ordered from GRO and cost £9.25, postage included.
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Is this the couple in 1901? If so I believe that there was often a naming pattern used in Scotland which may help. Someone else may know how it worked.
ED: 8; Page: 29; Line: 15;
15 Moorpark Ter, Renfrew, Renfrewshire
John Graham 35 Machinist (boilermakers) Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Fanny Graham 29 England
Percy Graham 8 Mos Renfrew, Renfrewshire
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Fanny is with her sister and brother-in-law in the 1891 census.
John Thomas Duckworth married Jane Alice Nabb June 1/4 1884 Registration district Bury vol 8c page 707.
1891 RG12 Piece 3138 Folio 64 Page 10
John T Duckworth 30 spindle maker
Jane A Duckworth 29 green grocer
Ernest Duckworth 6
Fanny Nabb 19 shop assistant (green grocer crossed out)
All born Bury
Sorry it is John you are looking for. I need spec savers :)
Do you have John's date of death because if in Scotland his death cert will give his parent's names.
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Similar thread here to avoid duplication
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783862.0
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Is this the couple in 1901? If so I believe that there was often a naming pattern used in Scotland which may help. Someone else may know how it worked.
ED: 8; Page: 29; Line: 15;
15 Moorpark Ter, Renfrew, Renfrewshire
John Graham 35 Machinist (boilermakers) Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Fanny Graham 29 England
Percy Graham 8 Mos Renfrew, Renfrewshire
Percy seemed to have been a popular name late 19th/ early 20th century, so may not have been a family name. As Fanny was English they may not have followed a traditional naming pattern.
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Yes that is them ... 2 other kids arrived over the next few years after this .. Agnes them Margaret .. all three siblings ended up in Canada
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Is this the couple in 1901? If so I believe that there was often a naming pattern used in Scotland which may help. Someone else may know how it worked.
First daughter after maternal grandmother.
Second daughter after paternal grandmother.
Third daughter after mother.
First son after paternal grandfather.
Second son after maternal grandfather.
Third son after father.
Subsequent children after great-grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, minister, doctor, landowner, schoolmaster, employer or their wives. I have seen assertions that there is a predictable order but have never actually found an example of it.
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Is this the couple in 1901? If so I believe that there was often a naming pattern used in Scotland which may help. Someone else may know how it worked.
ED: 8; Page: 29; Line: 15;
15 Moorpark Ter, Renfrew, Renfrewshire
John Graham 35 Machinist (boilermakers) Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Fanny Graham 29 England
Percy Graham 8 Mos Renfrew, Renfrewshire
Percy seemed to have been a popular name late 19th/ early 20th century, so may not have been a family name. As Fanny was English they may not have followed a traditional naming pattern.
According to www.britishbabynames.com Percy ranked number 23 among 200 most popular boy's names of babies registered in England & Wales in 1900 and joint 28th in 1904. ( Name data for Scottish births for those years isn't on the site.) Both Percy and Percival are in a list of 100 "popular and trend-setting" boy's names of the Victorian era on a blog-page titled "Victorian Darlings" on the same website. Percy was an Anglo-French name, from the surname of the noble Percy family of Northumberland, and also a short form of Percival and Perseus. So IMO, less likely to have been a name passed down through a Scottish family.
There were 2 boys called Percy in my English Lancashire family around 1900 and neither of them were named after an older relative.
BTW www.britishbabynames.com has data for England & Wales back to 1850. It also has lists of most popular names in Elizabethan and Restoration Norfolk and name combinations compiled from 1911 England & Wales Census.
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Guys a message I just received ...
just came across a writing I did back in the 90’s on my mother. According to this writing my grandfather died on November 29, 1923 at the age of 53. That is all the information I noted down on my grandfather. Expect that is because my mother didn’t know any more.
I wonder .. I wonder
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159372117
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The Scotland's People death index lists 19 John Grahams who died in 1953, including one aged 51 whose death was registered in Stornoway. If you think he might be your man, take a look at his death certificate. It will tell you the names of his wife and of his parents.
There's also one aged 54 who died in Canonbie.
There are no deaths of John Grahams aged 53 registered in England and Wales in the last quarter of 1923 or first quarter of 1924, but there are a 51-year-old and a 54-year-old.
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Biggest problem is that it’s not an uncommon name! It also depends who registered the death, whether or not they knew his correct date of birth. Perhaps worth getting that certificate though as your informant seems to know exactly when he died.
Have you checked that writing on the gravestone, does any of that fit with what you know? I’m not sure it means he is actually buried there.
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I don't think it is the right person .. that gentleman was born in the same place as he died ... John Graham in the census clearly was from Renfrewshire .. .. will find him.. it's times like this that a wee visit to Edinburgh would be handy .. I may just do that with a few other queries to follow up on .. guys again everything you have offered is first class and. A great help at the least offering clues and helping to narrow down 👍🙂
I am heading home for Xmas actually next week so may look at a day in Edinburgh and a visit in the national archives ... thanks
Scott
Nz
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Home being Scotland? Make sure you pack warm clothes if you’re coming from New Zealand, there is snow in Scotland, and over a lot of the rest of the UK.
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I am heading home for Xmas actually next week so may look at a day in Edinburgh and a visit in the national archives ... thanks
You will be grateful that the SP Centre and National Archives are open except for 2 days each for Christmas and New Year. Most family history societies' premises close down completely for about two weeks over the whole festive season.
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Great info as I was not sure .. thank u for that
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Home being Scotland? Make sure you pack warm clothes if you’re coming from New Zealand, there is snow in Scotland, and over a lot of the rest of the UK.
Yes East Kilbride is where I grew up .. left in 96 .. 🙂 Yes it will be a lot colder than what I am leaving .... I guess I'm not going for the weather 😃 But I won't mind a bit of snow .. it's been a few years since I threw a snow ball ..