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Title: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Scott_M on Friday 08 December 17 23:07 GMT (UK)
1901 Scotland census

John Graham
Age   35
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1866
Relationship   Head
Spouse's Name   Fanny Graham
Gender   Male
Where born   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number   575
Registration district   Renfrew
Civil parish   Renfrew
Town   Renfrew
County   Renfrewshire
Address   15 Moorpark Ter
Occupation   Machinist (borlermakers)
ED   8
Household schedule number   145
Line   13
Roll   CSSCT1901_214
Household Members   
Name   Age
John Graham   35
Fanny Graham   29
Percy Graham 

John married in Bury, Lancashire in July 17 1899
Had 3 children .. Percy was the oldest .. Agnes middle sibling and youngest was Margaret ... the siblings ended up in Canada ...

They lived in possilpark and John may have finished his life in this area ? Unsure exactly ..

He was living in 1923... not sure his fate?

Would be great to hear of any other clues of his life .. who maybe were his parents ?

Thanks for any help guys

Regards
Scott Morland
New Zealand
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 08 December 17 23:38 GMT (UK)
Have you looked for him on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ? If he died in Scotland, his death certificate should tell you the names of his parents. As he married in England, his marriage certificate will only give his father's name but not his mother's.

You should also take a look at the original of that census, just to be sure that there are no errors in the transcription you found ..... actually there is at least one already - borlermaker should read boilermaker.
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Scott_M on Saturday 09 December 17 00:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks forfarlan
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: groom on Saturday 09 December 17 00:14 GMT (UK)
Similar post here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783860.0

As I said on there, I think there was a naming pattern in Scotland which may help identify his parents.
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 09 December 17 00:44 GMT (UK)
In my view, the MC would be the place to begin which will at least give father's name & occ.

Without those details it's a bit of a gamble.

There are 3 different RDs with Glasgow attached...
Glasgow, Martha Street & Park Circus

There are many other RDs which come under 'Glasgow' area...

Springburn, Calton, Milton...to name a few.

He may have stated e.g. Springburn, Glasgow but ony Glasgow being written  :-\

The marriage may have a Graham witness which may also be a lead?

Then as Groom says, the naming pattern could help too if it was used?

The marriage may give his actual age but depending on the month he was born when the census was taken he may have been born 1865.

Annie
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Scott_M on Saturday 09 December 17 01:20 GMT (UK)
Scotlands people web site ... I think it is all changed since I last was on ... can you still look up the death and a link to spouse ... so the spouse maiden name of Nabb would that be a link ... your correct about the dates and I have considered this as there are a few grahams all abt the 1865 1866 ...
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 09 December 17 01:40 GMT (UK)
"He was living in 1923"

I know there was migration in that year, is this how you know John was alive then & was this when they were in Possilpark?

When/where did Fanny die?

I don't see a death for her in Scotland but if she was a widow when she died the informant may not have known her maiden name?

Were both alive on children's marriages & where/when were they married?

Annie




Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 09 December 17 01:44 GMT (UK)
can you still look up the death and a link to spouse ... so the spouse maiden name of Nabb would that be a link

Indeed as well as the Index being FREE now  ;)

I tried a search with only the surname Nabb (no forename) & nothing.

Annie
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: groom on Saturday 09 December 17 01:46 GMT (UK)
hi Annie

Fanny Graham (Nabb) died on the Isle of Man. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783861.0
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Scott_M on Saturday 09 December 17 01:55 GMT (UK)
Guys this is great help... the situation is that the granddaughter who has shared what she knows advises me that Fanny Nabb the wife died in Isle of Man a day before they (John Graham and Fanny Nabb) were meant to head back to Glasgow ... some help provided on Fanny has her laid to rest in Isle of Man in July 1923 .. John had been ill himself and Fanny had been nursing him for 8 months.. now I'm not sure if that is a clue as to John possibly not lasting much longer .. now they were residing in the clues I have been given in possilpark Glasgow and I think there is a perseption that John would have died there .. that is a question mark to be fair ...
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 09 December 17 02:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks Groom,

I was reading the link page when you posted  ;D

I could not find a John Graham dying in Possilpark 1923 - 1966

Having read the link & knowing now he'd been ill, it's possible he may be recorded in another RD if he died in hospital on the outskirts?

Annie
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Scott_M on Saturday 09 December 17 02:06 GMT (UK)
I understand that all the children were in Canada at this stage so if he had been ill himself then maybe he has ended up in a place of care and as you mention outskirts .. informant would be interesting .. maybe he had family on his graham side ... that marriage register from Bury maybe the best option for any other clues .. I didn't realise that the mother was not listed in cert married in England ... maybe the only route ...
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 09 December 17 02:38 GMT (UK)
On SP the Ref. No. for Possilpark is 644/7

I checked deaths 1923 - 1930 Lanark (6 with no middle name)

I am unsure exactly how the Referencing is done with regard to areas but I found 1 close in distance but he lives until 1930 which is a  :-\

GRAHAM JOHN 63
1930
644/6 717 (the ref. no. previous digit) with distance 1.8 miles
Springburn 

There are others close by of course which are listed in the 6, one being 1923, 2 1924 & 2 1926

30 credits would let you view all 6 (7.50 in total)

Annie
Title: Re: John Graham born abt 1866 married to Fanny Nabb
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 09 December 17 07:27 GMT (UK)
Quote
There are 3 different RDs with Glasgow attached...
Glasgow, Martha Street & Park Circus
There are many other RDs which come under 'Glasgow' area...
Springburn, Calton, Milton...to name a few
There were over 20 Registration Districts in Glasgow, not all at the same time and not all with the same boundaries or RD numbers over time. Before 1972, any district with a number starting 622, 644 or 646 is, generally speaking, mostly in Glasgow for at least some of the time. From 1972, it's numbers 601 to 60x, but I am not sure what the highest value of x is.