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Title: David Noah Cross
Post by: daisy1954 on Saturday 09 December 17 17:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Everyone,

I am Looking for information for David Noah Cross, I have found his Burial in Mount Pleasant Cemetery 1953, he was 87 yrs old putting his d.o.b at 1866, but in some of the censuses he put's 1873 -1875 in the 1921 Canada census he state's he was born in England and emigrated 1878.

His wife was Frances Sarah Morton and they married in Quebec.

Any Help would be Grately appreciated

Daisy1954
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 09 December 17 23:23 GMT (UK)
Is he on the 1881 Canadian census to confirm his date of emigration?  There is no birth in England/Wales for a David Noah Cross

When did he marry Frances?  Any parental details on either his marriage or death cert?
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 December 17 23:28 GMT (UK)
CROSS

In Loving Memory of Frances S. Morton Wife of David N. Cross
Nov. 27, 1873 - July 15, 1932

https://www.canadianheadstones.com/view?oid=on.160137

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 December 17 23:31 GMT (UK)
William Henry Cross (bachelor) son of David and Francis Cross - married Sinia Beatrice Kaiser (spinster)  sworn 28 May 1919 York Toronto.

Sandra

See later info - reply 11 - 12 - 13
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 December 17 23:33 GMT (UK)
Francis May Cross (spinster) 23 years - daughter of David and Frances Cross - married John Luxton (widower) 32 years. Sworn 3 March 1919 York Ontario.

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 December 17 23:35 GMT (UK)
David Edmund Cross - bachelor - 23 years old - son of David and Frances cross married Agnes Minnie McCormick - spinster - 18 years old - 11 June 1921 Toronto, Ontario.

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 December 17 23:42 GMT (UK)
David Cross and Francis Morton married 1893 Montreal, Québec (Quebec), Canada. Anglican

Point Saint Charles Grace Church Anglican (Montréal)


http://applications.banq.qc.ca/apex/f?p=113:11:0::NO::P11_CLE:20778

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 December 17 23:55 GMT (UK)
Attestation Papers for the son David Cross - 7 March 1896 -  this has been digitalised  so contains a fair amount of information - might take a little while to load

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=126797

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B2164-S045

Sandra

Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 00:02 GMT (UK)
David Edmond Cross - 7 March 1898 - passed away  5 Apr 1997 - Akron, Summit, Ohio, USA.
Mothers Maiden Name was Morton. Married.  Last Residence 44313 Akron, Summit, Ohio.

Couple had a daughter Joanne Rith Cross in 1923 -Toronto Canada.  Mother maiden name Agnes Mae McCormack.  Father David E Cross.  Joanne married Carl Sturgess Springer aged 33 year on 3 July 1950 which makes him born 1917. Carl was a green keeper. Father Taylor Springer and Anna Mae Yoho.  He had been previously married once before. No.4614 - 21 February 1949 Pasco County Florida.

FIND A GRAVE

David Edmund Cross - 1898 - 1997

https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=157511135

wife  Agnes Mae McCormack Cross 1904 - 1999

https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=157511186

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 00:05 GMT (UK)
1930 census - Wheeler St. Akron, Summit, Ohio,.

David E Cross   32 Born Canada Tyre Builder. Rubber. First Papers Imm 1926.
May A Cross   27 Jean Cross   6
Bernes Southland 21
Richard J Holley   19
Filinore J Pierce   40

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 00:09 GMT (UK)
FIND A GRAVE

Joanne Ruth Springer - 3 July 1923 Toronto canada passed away 24 July 2002 Akron, Summit County Ohio

Burial   Chestnut Hill Memorial Park  Cuyahoga Falls, Summit County, Ohio.

https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=168963940

husband Carl Sturgess Springer 1917 - 2012

https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=168963917

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 00:16 GMT (UK)
Attestation papers for William Henry Cross - son of David and Fanny Cross - born 18 January 1897 -
also in digital format now.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=126997

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B2168-S046

Sandra

Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 00:23 GMT (UK)
Flight Lieutenant  Clifford Donald Cross - born 2 June 1920 - son of William Cross and Sinia Kaiser. Royal Canadian Air Force  28 February 1945 - killed in training in Canada. Divorced -  wife was named as Maxine Billings.

TORONTO (PINE HILLS) CEMETERY ; Ontario, Canada - Grave Reference: Sec. K. Grave 89.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial/detail/2265750

http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/index.php?qname=&qcntry=Canada&cur=50&qunit=&qnum=&qmem=&qdate=1945

FIND A GRAVE entry with photograph

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/119089872

1921 census Toronto

Wm H Cross 19 Small B Cross 17 Clifford D Cross   6

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 00:37 GMT (UK)
This is awful - lost another son - 2 days apart -  :'(

Son Glen Morton Cross born 20 July 1925 passed away 26 February 1945 - North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany - Civilian occupation Machinist - Dunlop Tyre Co. for 6 months.  single. next of kin Mrs Beatricia Sinia Cross.

Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, R.C.I.C.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial/detail/2663032

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/12903408 (with newspaper cutting)

https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=12903408

Sandra



Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 00:48 GMT (UK)
Agnes Cross aged 20 years - - daughter of David and Frances Cross married Ira P Pennock  aged 21 years - 16 December 1914 - York Ontario.

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: daisy1954 on Sunday 10 December 17 00:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Everyone,

Thank you for all the Information, this is very complicated as to were and when he was born .

Thank you once again
Daisy1954 :)
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 12:04 GMT (UK)
Have you got the month David Cross passed away in 1953 ?  Our obituary expert Run Kitty might find something in Toronto papers that tells us where he came from  ???  Having the month helps when your wading thru newspapers.

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: RunKitty on Sunday 10 December 17 14:18 GMT (UK)
Hi,

A date would be better.. I have been looking, but I can't find an obit for him using his name/variations.  I found a couple of obits for some others in the family, but not for him. 

I don't see his dates on his wife's tombstone (Sandra posted a link to a photo earlier in the thread).

Like Carole W said earlier... I don't see a birth for him on the GRO index - using either David Noah, or Noah David (sometimes people swap their names around). 

1901, he says he was born in Ontario!!
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=74061&highlight=49
(David and William are on the next page)

Puzzling fellow!! 

You say he was married in Quebec.  Do you have the marriage record?  Does it mention his parents names or where he came from??  (CaroleW asked about this earlier too...she also wondered whether you had a death cert that might mention his parents' names... if you had this information, it would be really helpful :)_

RK

Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 14:33 GMT (UK)
Strange - 1921 census says born England 1873 - he immigrated in 1876 -  ??? Should mean other family perhaps  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 10 December 17 17:20 GMT (UK)
The marriage is on the Drouin Collection. On A*try=easier to look for MERTES marriages 1893.

No help at all but he does sign.

I'm wondering about William CROSS and Mary nee COOK and their children. (Newmarket in 1871).

In 1911 David still says born Ontario:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27XF-K11

Maureen
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 17:30 GMT (UK)
"Mertes"   ::)  -  you little star  ;)

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 17:39 GMT (UK)
1871 - William Mary and Richard born England - Harriet, Albert, Daniel, Dorothy, William and Alvira born Ontario


1881 census York Ontario - all born Ontario.

Mary Cross   42 widowed.
Richard Cross   22 Albert Cross   18
Daniel Cross   16 Mary Jane Cross   14
Elvira Cross   9 David Cross   7

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVF4-PYC

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 17:40 GMT (UK)
Delayed birth record for of Elvira Cross -  brother Daniel signs 16 May 1934

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-DXV4-N?i=187&cc=1784212

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F2FW-3XN

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 17:51 GMT (UK)
There was a marriage at Whitby England - December 1855 - 9d 785 - William Cross and Mary Cook  ??? Marriage cert may tell you more.

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 18:01 GMT (UK)
1861 census first concession Whitchurch in County of York

Wm Cross - 33 years (not clear) Born England.
Mary Cross 22 years. Born Ireland.
Richard Cross 3 years. Born Canada.
Harriet Ann Cross 1 year. Born Canada

Canadian Passenger Lists cover 1865 - 1935

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 20:01 GMT (UK)
Mary Jane Cross married Albert McMain 3 October 1883 East Gwillimbury Ontario.
Albert 23 years. Mary Jane 18 years. Parents William and Mary Cross.

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 20:06 GMT (UK)
Alvira May Violet cross married Arthur James McCauley 14 September 1896 - York Toronto Ontario

1911 census  Toronto

Arthar J Mc Casley 36
Violet Mc Casley   36
Leonerd Mc Casley 11
Theodare Mc Casley   9
Mrs. E Mitchell   70 lodger.

Sandra

Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 December 17 20:22 GMT (UK)
Daniel Cross married in Quebec to Catherine Cooley - Ste-Cunégonde  16 April 1883 -
Parents William and Mary Cross.  Michael Cooley and Rose Keele.

1891 census York Ontario

Daniel Cross 25 Kate Cross   28
Hattie Cross 5 months Albert Cross 3
James Purtell 29
Sarrah Purtell   28

1901 census - York Ontario

Dan'l Cross 35 Lilly Cross   35
Albert H Cross   13Hattie Cross   10
F Dan'l Cross   9 May I Cross   6
Jas Mccanley   26 Boarder
Eloira Mccanley   27 Boarder
Sconard Mccanley   10 Boarder

1911 census Toronto

Daniel Cross 45 Kate Cross   40 May Cross 16 Daniel Cross Jr   7
James   21 Lodger. John Lewis   25 Lodger. Henry Smith   28 Lodger.
Gordan McLeord   21 Lodger. Lonald McLeord   26 Lodger. William Johnston 41 Lodger.
Lyan Johnstone   63 Lodger. Alice McKin??   29 Lodger. Ada Hindman   26 Lodger.
Jean Morris   17 Lodger.

1921 172 Beatrice Toronto

Daniel Cross   51 Catherine Cross   53
Daniel S Cross   19

Canada Voters List 1940 - 540 Harvie Aveue York Ontario - David Cross (retired) and Mrs David Cross

Sandra
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: RunKitty on Sunday 10 December 17 20:43 GMT (UK)
Violet McCauley died Oct 16 1951.  Obit in the Globe and Mail Oct 18, 1951, page 26. 
She died at the QUeen Elizabeth Hospital.  Violet Cross, wife of the late Arthur James McCauley.  Mother of Ted, Velma and the late Leonard McCauley.  Interment Mount Hope Cemetery.  Unfortunately, there is  no mention of siblings :'(

Daniel Cross died Dec 14, 1940.  Obit in the Toronto Star Dec 16, 1940 page 29.  He died at his late residence 1063 Davenport Road.  Husband of Catherine Cooley.  Father of Albert, Hattie and Danny of Toronto, Frank of Calgary and May of Cleveland.  In his 76th year. Interment Prospect Cemetery. Again, no mention of siblings

Looks like James, Elvira and Leonard McCauley are with Daniel Cross in 1901 (see Sandra's post above)

RK
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: RunKitty on Monday 11 December 17 01:31 GMT (UK)
Mary Jane Cross married Albert McMain 3 October 1883 East Gwillimbury Ontario.
Albert 23 years. Mary Jane 18 years. Parents William and Mary Cross.

Sandra

Mary's obit in the Toronto Star on Feb 22, 1947 page 24.  It says Mary died at her late residence, Armitage, on Feb 21, 1947.  Mary Jane Cross, wife of Albert McMain.  In her 83rd year.  Interment Aurora Cemetery. 

No mention of siblings.  No mention of children either, but there are a lot of children on the 1901 census. 
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=10369&highlight=23

RK
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: daisy1954 on Monday 11 December 17 12:21 GMT (UK)
Big Thank you for everybody's help and suggestion's will give them a go

Thank you all again
Daisy1954 :)
Title: Re: David Noah Cross
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 11 December 17 16:23 GMT (UK)
The marriage is on the Drouin Collection. On A*try=easier to look for MERTES marriages 1893.

No help at all but he does sign.

I'm wondering about William CROSS and Mary nee COOK and their children. (Newmarket in 1871).

In 1911 David still says born Ontario:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27XF-K11

Maureen

Wasn't our Mo a star finding that marriage  ;D  Helped unravel much more.  :D :D

Regards
Sandra