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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: daljul on Wednesday 13 December 17 07:57 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find whether there are any records of children that were abandoned and ended up in this Home. Can anyone advise or point me in the right direction?
Thanks
dinkey
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I'm not finding any mention of St Bernards on the Childrens Homes website?
www.childrenshomes.org.uk
Nothing coming up on Google either?
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Thank you for looking for me. Much appreciated.
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Thank you for looking for me. Much appreciated.
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What more information can you give us :-\
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I am afraid that I have no more information other than the person I am researching was abandoned and sent there as a toddler. He was born in 1879. I was hoping to find this home on the 1881 census but no luck so far.
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Would you like to post the child's name so we could help you to find him?
Where did the information come from regarding St Bernard's?
JJ
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It is my friend's Grandfather Charles Davies who I understand was born 6 August 1879 (I don't know where) he was sent to this home as an infant.
I am also trying to find him in the 1881 census.
Charles married Elizabeth Wynne on 18th May 1911 at Clocaenog Denbigh Wales. At the time of the marriage he was said to be living at Gwalia Clocaenog as a labourer. His father is shown as John a Labourer. Charles died 12th May 1956 possibly in Stockport Cheshire. That is all my friend knows.
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Are you sure that the name of the orphanage/home is correct?
Are you sure it was in Herefordshire?
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I will check with my friend and repost
thanks
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Further info from my friend.
Charles was adopted as far as she knew, he was possibly born in Ruthin but can't be sure. She wonders if it could be a Barnardos Home he was sent to.
Just wondering though that if he was adopted(more likely fostered) he could have been born under a different name.
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Adoption as we know it did not start until the late 1920's.
Who were the witnesses to the wedding
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one witness was Morgan Davies. I don't know whether he was related.
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There is no Charles Davies born in September or December quarters of 1879 in Ruthin (or Denbighshire).
If you are convinced of that date of birth, then you could apply for a birth certificate specifying it, and see where that leads.
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There is no Charles Davies born in September or December quarters of 1879 in Ruthin (or Denbighshire).
If you are convinced of that date of birth, then you could apply for a birth certificate specifying it, and see where that leads.
Maybe the birth was not registered :-\
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Further info from my friend.
Charles was adopted as far as she knew, he was possibly born in Ruthin but can't be sure. She wonders if it could be a Barnardos Home he was sent to.
Just wondering though that if he was adopted(more likely fostered) he could have been born under a different name.
Barnardo's was almost exclusively a London based organisation, until the 1890s.
The nearest Barnardo's would have been in Chirk, near Wrexham - but that was only operational during WW2.
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Just for that death:
Deaths June quarter 1956 Charles Davies age 75 in Stockport
and showing under the claimed birth date on 1939 register,
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Is this him in 1901?
In Clocaenog Denbighshire Wales
Registration district: Ruthin Sub-registration district: Gyffylliog
Edward Davies 48 Farmer Bala, Merionethshire
Sarah Davies 46 Llanelidan, Denbighshire
Charles Davies 21 servant teamster on farm born Ross, Herefordshire
Jane Ellis 15
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I think I have had a breakthrough!
I have been liaising with Herefordshire Registry Office and they have the following information:
Charles Davies
06/08/1880 DAVIS CHARLES JOHN LABOURER PREECE MARY ROSS 25/149 ROSS 305523
This is just a year out from the year of birth that Charles gave on the 1939 Electoral Register
However, there is a query on the mother being called Mary as there was no marriage of a John Davies and a Mary Preece but there was this marriage
John Davis Marriage Date 3 Nov 1876 Marriage Place Ross, Hereford, England
Father John Davis Spouse Eliza Preece Father William Preece
There is also the following census information relating to John & Eliza
1881 census address Kyrle Street, Ross, Herefordshire
John Davies Head Married 38 1843 General Laborer Ross, Herefordshire, England
Eliza Davies Wife Married 27 1854 Ross, Herefordshire, England
Charlie Davies Son Single 8 months 1881 Ross, Herefordshire, England
1891 census address Morley Square New Street Ross Herefordshire
John Davis Head Married 40 1851 Sexton Herefordshire, England
Eliza Davis Wife Married 36 1855 - Wales
Charles Davis Son 11 1880 Ross Herefordshire, England
Harry Davis Son 3 1888 Ross Herefordshire
1901 census address 34, Kyrle Street, Ross, Ross Urban, Herefordshire
John Davies Head Married 50 1851 Grave Digger Ross, Herefordshire, England
Eliza Davies Wife Married 46 1855 Ross, Herefordshire, England
1911 census address 29 Edde Cross Street Ross, Ross Urban, Herefordshire
John Davis Head Married 40 years 5 children 3 still living 70 1841 Ross Herefordsh
Eliza Davis Wife 60 1851 Ross Herefordshire
1901 census address Bryn Clwyd, Clocaenog, Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales
Edward Davies Head Married 48 1853 Farmer Bala, Merionethshire, Wales
Sarah Davies Wife Married 46 1855 Llanelidan, Denbighshire, Wales
Charles Davies Servant Single 21 1880 Teamster On Farm Ross, Herefordshire, England
1911 census address Pen Y Par K Bryn South Marchog Near Coawen, Clocaenog, Denbighshire, Wales
Charles Davis Servant Single Wagoner On Farm 30 1881 Herefordshire
I will order the birth certificate to confirm that Charles's mother is Eliza and not Mary and hopefully this will confirm whether all the above assumptions are correct.
Thank you all for your help so far.
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Glad to see that my proposed 1901 census for him was the one that you also found.
(Though if the age on that one is correct and refers to an August birth he would have been born in 1879)
Interesting that he was exactly a year out for his birth (but I have known that for friends who are convinced they are a year younger or older than they claimed.)
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You have put:
'1911 census address 29 Edde Cross Street Ross, Ross Urban, Herefordshire
John Davis Head Married 40 years 5 children 3 still living 70 1841 Ross Herefordsh
Eliza Davis Wife 60 1851 Ross Herefordshire'
which would have been 1871 not 1876, so perhaps numbers and dates are not their strong point?
Their ages through the censuses do vary a lot.
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You have put:
'1891 census address Morley Square New Street Ross Herefordshire
John Davis Head Married 40 1851 Sexton Herefordshire, England
Eliza Davis Wife Married 36 1855 - Wales
Charles Davis Son 11 1880 Ross Herefordshire, England
Harry Davis Son 3 1888 Ross Herefordshire'
This looks like the birth of that Harry:
Henry Davis mmn Preece September quarter 1887 in Ross
They claim 3 children alive on the 1911 census - cannot see a third child with them on any censuses.
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I now have the birth certificate of Charles Davis. It gives date of birth as 6th August 1880. Place of birth is strange,looks like Preens Entry, Market Place Ross Herefordshire. and the mother is shown as Mary (nee Preece) and not Eliza which is the only Preece I can find marrying John Davis on 3rd November 1876 and her father is shown as William Preece.
My questions: Was there such a place as Preens Entry?
Could Eliza and Mary have been sisters?
Did Mary give birth to Charles and Eliza brought him up as her own child?
confused about this birth.
Any help would be appreciated.
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If it helps (from Ross-on-Wye.com):
The Market Place, Ross-on-Wye, runs from the High Street down to the point where it meets Broad Street between the Crown and Sceptre Inn and Going Places on the west side, WH Smiths and Superdrug on the east side and to the south by the High Street.
The Market Place used to run from the junction with New Street right up to St Mary's Street and along to the Gloucester Road junction although it is now much smaller.
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Could you scan in the birth certificate so we can try and read Preens Entry?
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Preens Entry shows on the 1881 census in Ross-on-Wye as Preens Entry, Broad Street.
On Ancestry if you leave everything blank but put 'Preens Entry' in the keyword search, you can find it.
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Thank you chempat. I found it on the 1881 census. Charles's Grandparents John and Mary are shown as living on Broad Street on the 1861 census.