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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: jkgla on Friday 15 December 17 00:24 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for details of the marriages between
ROBERT NORMAN HULL (1935 - 2008) & T J LANE (b 1931) probably in Ontario, Canada
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NORMAN HULL (1914 - 1984) & MARGARET WEIR (-1979), again, probably in Ontario
Many thanks in advance
Moderstor comment: the name of a potentially living person has been removed in accordance with our 'no living people' policy.
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Is T still alive?
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Good question - I have no idea! She may indeed be. J.
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I've removed her name.
Canada has quite strict data protection and closed access policies.
A recent marriage won't be found online unless there's a newspaper report somewhere.
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ontario_Online_Genealogy_Records
https://www.ontario.ca/page/how-get-copy-ontario-marriage-certificate-online
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That's fine - apologies if I breached guidelines. There's a lot of genealogical info on canadiana.ca. I'm just trying to find the link between the Hull family & my family as there is a strong DNA link, but no family history forthcoming from the Canadian side - so frustration!
Thanks for your help.
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Obituary for Bob Hull (Robert Norman Hull)... says he married Joan Lane of Regina... she predeceased him.
http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2008/12/11/former-editor-bob-hull-dies
Shorter obituary
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/windsorstar/obituary.aspx?n=robert-hull&pid=121243811
RK
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Short obituary for the mother of Norman appeared in the Ottawa Journal on 23 March 1963:
Windsor, Ontario -- Mrs. Alice Hull, 73, mother of Frank A. Hull of Hull-Thompson Ltd. and Norman Hull, managing editor of the Windsor Star.
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Finally found Norman and Frank travelling with their mother, Alice, returning from a trip to England in November 1923. They were all travelling home to Thomas Hull (Alice's husband and the boys' father) at 726 Giles Blvd. E., in Windsor, Ontario.
Norman is 8 years of age, so born in about 1915. Frank is noted as being 9 1/2 years of age. They had all lived previously in Winnipeg. Alice had first arrived in Canada in 1913. They had arrived in England in July 1923 bound for 112 Hardwicks Street, Rochdale.
Thomas' WWI attestation paper gives his address as Lansdowne Avenue, Winnipeg, and his wife's name as Alice. He had been born in Blackburn, England on 26 October 1885 and he was a bricklayer by trade. The papers were signed March 31, 1916 in Winnipeg.
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Thomas Hull, born October 26, 1885, died in Windsor on January 2, 1945, the husband of Alice (nee Gibbons), and the son of Thomas Hull (mother's name unknown). He is buried at Windsor Grove Cemetery in Windsor. He was a brick mason by trade. Informant was his son, Frank, of Chilver Road, Windsor. He had been in Canada since 1909.
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Here is the obit for Joan....
http://www.tannahill.com/notices/Joan-Hull
You may be able to use the info about her children to make contact using http://www.canada411.ca . This is the telephone white pages and usually gives addresses as well.
PB
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If you are trying to trace further back
Thomas Hull, born October 26, 1885, died in Windsor on January 2, 1945, the husband of Alice (nee Gibbons), and the son of Thomas Hull (mother's name unknown).
HULL, THOMAS MMN HOUSEMAN
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 421
Yet to find a Hull/Houseman marriage but perhaps Thomas' mother had been married before - so she married under her widowed name but her maiden name is on Thomas' birth registration. ALso yet to find a baptism for Thomas 1885.
This Thomas had siblings
HULL, MARGARET HOUSEMAN
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 406
HULL, ALICE HOUSEMAN
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 447
HULL, ADA HOUSEMAN
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 418
HULL, ESTHER HANNAH HOUSEMAN
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 427
HULL, SARAH HOUSEMAN
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 387
HULL, JOHN HOUSEMAN
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 418
which should make him findable on the census to find mother's forename.
ADDED: Only marriage I can find
Marriages Mar 1880
Houseman Mary Fylde 8e 778
HULL James Fylde 8e 778
ROBERTS Sarah Fylde 8e 778
Thompson George Fylde 8e 778
with this 1891 RG12; Piece: 3405; Folio: 154; Page: 18
James Hull 34 bricklayer
Mary Hull 33
Elizabeth Hull 11
Sarah Hull 8
Thomas Hull 5
Alice Hull 1
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I suspect Thomas may not have been Thomas' father's name. 1891 Census in Blackburn has Thomas Hull, aged 5, at home with his parents, James, aged 34, a bricklayer, born Weaton, and Mary, aged 33, born Staining(?). Siblings are Elizabeth, Sarah, and Alice.
Thomas and Alice are living in Winnipeg in the 1911 Census, with no children yet born to them. Thomas indicates he immigrated in 1909 and Alice in 1911. He is noted as a bricklayer.
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There's a lot of genealogical info on canadiana.ca. I'm just trying to find the link between the Hull family & my family as there is a strong DNA link, but no family history forthcoming from the Canadian side - so frustration!
Are you able to give us a clue as to what surnames you are trying to connect to the Hull family? This will help deciding which lines to pursue.
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Frank and Norman's birth index entries in Manitoba are available online here:
https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
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Thomas' baptism indexed as Hall:
https://www.ancestry.ca/interactive/2575/42561_339818__0003-00106/11981777?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ca%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dLancashireParishBirths%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsln%3dhall%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbpn__ftp%3dBlackburn%252C%2520Lancashire%252C%2520England%26msbpn%3d84785%26msbpn_PInfo%3d8-%257C0%257C0%257C3257%257C3251%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C5271%257C84785%257C0%257C0%257C%26msbpn_x%3d1%26msbpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msfng%3djames%26msmng%3dmary%26MSAV%3d1%26MSV%3d1%26uidh%3d1gg&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
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Thomas' complete WW1 military file has been digitized by Library and Archives Canada and is free to view at this link. It will be VERY slow to download.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=476818
PB
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Eileen, this is brilliantly helpful - thank you so much. I will work through these details and see if I can link him back to my family somehow.
I really appreciate your help. J
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Josey - thank you very much indeed for this. I am simply trying to link back to a surname I recognise in my tree (which goes back to 1600 or so in most branches)
With your help and that of Polarbear & Eileen, I think I have a lot more to go on.
Many, many thanks all of you. J :)
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Given that Robert and his father were in the newspaper business......
I have found a marriage 07 Sep 1935 for a Norman William Hull to a Margaret Dodds Leggat, not Weir. Margaret is down as a spinster. Norman is a Reporter living in Windsor Ontario, birthplace Winnipeg, parents Thomas Hull and Alice Gibbons. Marriage took place in Windsor.
Anyway, food for thought.
PB
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Many thanks for this. With the help of you kind people, I've been tracking the Hull - Houseman - Burns side back to Lancashire - but I can't see any link at all. I will need to look at other branches, I think, and hope that they track back to England. Frustrating - but most grateful for the input. J.
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Forgot to mention that Margaret Leggat's parents were Andrew Leggat and Margaret Dodds. Margaret has Calgary down as her birthplace. Both are down as age 21.
PB
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Many thanks for this, PolarBear - I've tracked the Hull family back to Lancashire, which isn't a useful direction, so I'm going to need to trace other lines. This is a great start. Much appreciated. J.
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Just to update you helpful people - I have tracked the Hull male line back to Liverpool and Towcester 1650 or so - only one name in common - Caporn in Towcester, but no link.
I think my link must be through one of the Hull female lines - Margaret Dodds Leggatt (parents Andrew Leggatt & Margaret Dodd) or Thelma Joan Lane (1931 - 2008) can't find her parents, but she left Montréal, Québec, Canada on the "Empress of England", arr Liverpool 7 May 1958 - so presumably has English connections.
No entry under FreeBMD for 1931 (though another Thelma Joan Lane b 1922 - bizarre!)
I'm afraid I can't find much out about either of these - but I have a large tree for the rest of the family!
Any suggestions on the Canadian side most welcome. Thanks