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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: KatC on Saturday 16 December 17 14:45 GMT (UK)
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There is an Aitken tree with Margaret Aitken m. Boyle, but I have Margaret Boyle Aitken m. Alexander Kyle in the Dunedin area. Do these people belong in that tree? Were Thomas (tea merchant) and Jane her parents and where did they come from?
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Hi you don't give any dates but the only marriage that resembles an Aitken/Boyle marriage is this one
1903/3196 Margaret Allen Aitken to William Reuben Boyles
It doesn't pay to use information from online trees as they are notorious for their mistakes,
Cheers Janette
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I don't see any Aitken births in NZ to Jane and Thomas either.
You can search NZ BDM's here
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search
Cheers Janette
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I have Margaret Boyle Aitken m. Alexander Kyle in the Dunedin area.
Hi,
The above is an 1880 marriage.
This record shows where she came from, if this is the Margaret you are after.
Andersons Bay Cemetery Burials - Dunedin
Name : KYLE Margaret Boyle
Date : 21 Aug 1955
Reference number : 27497
Occupation : widow
Residence : 10 Merlin Street
Where born : Scotland
Age : 94
Province : 80 years
Informant : Hope & Kinaston
As mentioned by Janette, dates do help us with the right person, it is also a good idea to follow up information with Printouts of marriage/death.
Cheers
KHP
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There is a tree for a Margaret Boyle Aitken born 28 December, 1860 • 8 Kinnoull Street, Perth, Perthshire, Scotland, death date matches the above.
Parents Thomas 1824-1899 - Tea Merchant
Jane Meldrum 1822-1908
Perhaps you could make contact with the tree owner.
Cheers
KHP
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There is an 1874 shipping record here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6FW9-FPC?i=15&cc=1609792
For 3 Aitken sisters
Eliza aged 17 from Aberdeen
Maggie B aged 14
Jane M age 9
Maggie B's age is right for your lass,
Cheers Janette
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You guys are so good and fast. I don't have Ancestry, but picked up part of a tree from them by reading between lines. It did not mention the girls, but the cemetery in Dunedin mentioned Elizabeth Stirling Aitken as buried with Thomas. She died at 19 which matches your shipping record. Maggie B 's age is way off from what I guessed, but I'll have to check that out. I'm sure you found her. Thomas had a shop in Perth on High Street, but I didn't copy all his addresses listed on Ancestry. I don't have Ancestry to locate who has the tree. I also can't get to the archive person who asked about my grandparents as the e-mail is bad. I'm going to have to search about.
I'm a bit confused as I saw a Jane Aitken, but she is not buried with Thomas and the old familysearch never seemed to have useful shipping data. Thanks for finding everything.
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Probate file for Margaret Boyle KYLE (in case it's of interest to you.)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C916-699M-T?i=391&cc=1865481
~ Lu
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I'm a bit confused as I saw a Jane Aitken, but she is not buried with Thomas.
Possible that she is the Jean Aitken died 29 October 1908, Otago, Northern Cemetery. I stand to be corrected. :)
Cheers
KHP.
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Death notice for Thomas AITKEN - 1899 :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW18990302.2.105
~ Lu
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KHP got it right. :)
Here is the death notice for Jean AITKEN.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19081028.2.248
Funeral Notice :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD19081028.2.36.2
[Note: Both Thomas and Jean AITKEN had the common address of "Kirkwood House". ]
~ Lu
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.... It did not mention the girls, but the cemetery in Dunedin mentioned Elizabeth Stirling Aitken as buried with Thomas. She died at 19 which matches your shipping record.
Hi ... just for your records, the daughter's correct name appears to have been Eliza (rather than "Elizabeth"). :)
Here is the headstone inscription for Eliza and Thomas >
Northern Cemetery - Dunedin, Otago, NZ
AITKEN - Block 20 - Plot 8
"S.T.T.M.O. Eliza Stirling, d/o T. and J. AITKEN, late of Kirkcaldy, Scotland, who died 17 October 1876, aged 20 years.
Also - Thomas AITKEN - died 24 February 1899 - aged 75 years. "
[NZ Death Index has "AITKEN - Eliza Stirling - 19 years. " ]
~ Lu
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Thanks for the corrections. I'm coming along, but not at your super speed. Dau Jane may have died in 1911 or else she married. There are 2 possibilities, but nothing definite. I can't find a newspaper reference. I also found 4 other children of Thomas who may not have emigrated. The tree I was pointed to has only Eliza as a child. I;m trying to see if the other 4 children survived or emigrated. Thomas McKenzie 1862, James Crouden Meldrum 1866, David 1855, Alice 1858
I have a picture of Margaret Boyle (Aitken) and also of a Salvation Army lady, but the photograph album is not shelved. I need to see if that is an Aitken or a Kyle lady.
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Hi Kat ... I'll keep looking for you.
I'll go back too to the tree I found - it may be different to the one you were viewing ??
Thought I saw the Thomas McKenzie AITKEN birth 1862 with a death in Scotland of 1863 ??
And was there a daughter Alice who died as an infant ??
~ Lu
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The tree I was pointed to has only Eliza as a child. I;m trying to see if the other 4 children survived or emigrated. Thomas McKenzie 1862, James Crouden Meldrum 1866, David 1855, Alice 1858
UPDATE : Sadly, the 4 children you mentioned above, all died (at Perth) as infants.
AITKEN
Thomas McKenzie - 1862-1863
James Crouden Meldrum - 1866-1867 - aged 8 months
David - 1855 - 1856 - aged 4months
Alice - 1858-1859 - aged 9 months :
Edited to add ... at least three of above deaths are supported by death certificates attached to the "Tree".
~ Lu
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Have what I think is a marriage for younger daughter, Jane. Just sourcing a few more details and will post info shortly.
~ Lu
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Hi
Just further to my Reply # 14 .... "tree" has a New Zealand Death certificate for Thomas AITKEN 1899. As was the case with NZ B D and M records, they carried rather a lot more information than those of the UK certs.
At the time of Thomas' death (1899), provision was made to record "surviving issue" (not by name but by sex and age).
Thomas' death record showed > 2 females - ages 38 and 34 years.
So one can conclude they were Margaret (Maggie) and Jane (junior).
~ Lu
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Very good. I can't get to that tree. So Jane is alive 1899.
I found the Kyle/Aitken photos, but not the one of a Salvation Army lady in an old Victorian dress. This may mean it is Jane. I'll have to write my mother. Is there any possibility Jane would change her name when joining (if she did?) Whoever it is was proud of her work as it was a professional picture. Would a single lady live on her own?
As you have access to the tree, does it have Margaret Kyle b 1882, dau of Margaret Boyle Aitken & Alex Kyle. She either is Margaret Aitken Kyle m. David Martin (no location) or else Margaret m. John Harold Meek in the family church of Knox Presbyterian in Dunedin. I had assumed it was Meek, but the Aitken middle name is very hard to pass up now that I see it.
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Very good. I can't get to that tree. So Jane is alive 1899.
I found the Kyle/Aitken photos, but not the one of a Salvation Army lady in an old Victorian dress. This may mean it is Jane.
As you have access to the tree, does it have Margaret Kyle b 1882, dau of Margaret Boyle Aitken & Alex Kyle. She either is Margaret Aitken Kyle m. David Martin (no location) or else Margaret m. John Harold Meek in the family church of Knox Presbyterian in Dunedin. I had assumed it was Meek, but the Aitken middle name is very hard to pass up now that I see it.
Mmm ... I've now kind of lost track of who it is you are wanting to find ... Jane the daughter ... now it seems to be Margaret d/o Margaret and Alexander. ??? Salvation Army lady ???
~ Lu
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I've just put in for DNA testing looking for family within 5 generations expecting to confirm Irish connections. The company contacts matching people giving them my name and e-mail and I get their information.
After looking at Irish on my mother's father's side for almost 20 years, it dawned on me I knew almost nothing of my mother's mother Mabel's family. Mabel Jane Kyle was dau of Alexander and Margaret Boyle (Aitken) Kyle and Jane would be her aunt. I didn't want to be completely caught out if I were contacted by a NZ only a few generations distant. My Gt aunt Dorothy Kyle was single and visited us once in Massachusetts and my aunt knew gt uncle Alexander & family. Gt Aunt Eleanor died during the ~1921 flu when visiting Mabel in (I think) Palmyra, NY. So that leaves Margaret Kyle's, Jane Aitken's, and a Clunie's families as potential surprises.
Typically I follow family into the early 1900's as most people have some sort of idea who their grandparents were. If they mention them on-line, then I often contact them. Otherwise, no. Most of my near and distant relatives want privacy.
I don't know much about DNA testing to know what sort of results to expect. It is obviously for people who want to make contact with relatives and this company's database isn't the largest. I shall see what happens.