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Title: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: hookleg on Sunday 17 December 17 21:12 GMT (UK)
Hi I have come across several trees where individuals have a place of birth as a number denoting the parish. Is there a list anywhere where one can check which village, town or parish is being referenced?? (No doubt expert researchers have a superior method of referencing).  I have tried using google but without knowing the exact terminology to use I have had no luck.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: Girl Guide on Sunday 17 December 17 21:36 GMT (UK)
Are the trees that you came across all done by one person or different people?

If it was one person I would be inclined to think that it is a system that the tree maker has chosen to use as their method of referencing a place of birth.

I don't know if there is one specific reference tool re places of birth that would be universally adopted by all tree makers.

I've never used any numbers to show where an ancestor was born, I've just noted the place on the relevant sheet for that ancestor.

I did make a point of putting any reference number found whilst searching in record offices or the relevant website on the internet.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: hookleg on Sunday 17 December 17 21:42 GMT (UK)
All by different people. They have appeared on Ancestry trees. Particularly found when following up hints!
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: chempat on Sunday 17 December 17 21:45 GMT (UK)
Why not ask the tree owner what they mean?
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: hookleg on Sunday 17 December 17 21:51 GMT (UK)
That is a possibility, but at present I have let my subscription lapse. Will renew either with my original or perhaps with F M P. Does anyone know which is better? I have a couple of quite extensive trees on Ancestry and would possibly need to repeat if I change. But doesn't FindMyPast have newspaper access?
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: Girl Guide on Sunday 17 December 17 21:59 GMT (UK)
Yes Find My Past does have access to newspapers.

Apart from BMD and census records, FindMyPast and Ancestry have similar and different records to offer.  It depends on what you are most likely to need for your research.

You have to decide which site offers most of what you require and then go for that one.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: hookleg on Sunday 17 December 17 22:20 GMT (UK)
Have been trying to make my mind up for the last 3 months!!! I know my round Ancestry after 5 or 6 years. Wondering if I may benefit from a change. Do village names on FindMyPast default to USA ones like on Ancestry, which I find annoying on their UK site!! This leads to people having relatives pond hopping on their trees!!
However back to my original question I have an individual died in 1765 • 1677001, Suffolk, England
Probably my fault for copying it but is my 6x gt grandmother.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: Girl Guide on Sunday 17 December 17 22:39 GMT (UK)
Find my Past doesn't usually start giving you USA stuff unless you have specified that in your search field.

When you press the Search All Records button it automatically starts with Britain.  If you click on the down arrow of Britain it will give a choice of the following:-

Australia & New Zealand

Britain:- England
             Scotland
             Wales
             Other Britain and Ireland
             Overseas/Unknown

United States and Canada
              Canada
              United States

World

You can therefore choose what area you wish your search to cover provided you have the relevant subscription for it.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: chempat on Sunday 17 December 17 23:19 GMT (UK)
If your subscription has lapsed, is that number from when you had an active subscription?
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: hookleg on Monday 18 December 17 00:07 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that info Girl Guide I might take a 1 month trial and see if it suits.
Yes , it was from a time when my subscription was active and was saved to my tree as I didn't know the village.
chempat:-  Can't access records currently, but can view my trees (and add to them or edit).
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: groom on Monday 18 December 17 00:26 GMT (UK)
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However back to my original question I have an individual died in 1765 • 1677001, Suffolk, England

I've used Ancestry for years and never noticed anything like that. Doesn't really make any sense does it?
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: Jomot on Monday 18 December 17 01:04 GMT (UK)
If the person was Alice Willet, wife of Edmund Craske, then the source is other Ancestry trees and I cant seem to track any of them back to the original  ::)

Some trees say she died at Drinkstone, with the source again being other trees, however if you use Ctrl & F on the link below to find reference: IC500/1/220/69 it references the original Will of Alice Craske of Drinkstone 1765

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l6h/

ADDED:  If you go to https://www.suffolkarchives.co.uk/ and put Craske Drinkstone in the search box it brings up several other wills etc, including one for Edmund.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: Annette7 on Monday 18 December 17 02:05 GMT (UK)
Alice Craske was buried 11th May 1765 Drinkstone per National Burial Index on FindMyPast.

Annette
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 18 December 17 05:22 GMT (UK)
The numbers are from Ancestry's database - you would need to ask them!

My Ancestry subscription lapsed a few years ago - but I can still update my trees ;D
What I can't do is look at any saved Ancestry records - such as census.
By that I mean that I can't see the census images, but I have the transcribed information.

Both Ancestry and FindMyPast usually have free access over Christmas - why not wait a week or two ;D
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: Nic. on Monday 18 December 17 08:09 GMT (UK)
Hi

I’ve also run across personal trees on Ancestry which use numbers instead of places but for places in Wiltshire, I will try and check one these against my tree. I’ve oftern wondered if they related to map references. 
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 18 December 17 14:26 GMT (UK)
I don't know if this is relevant but in the "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" published by the History Data Service, https://discover.ukdataservice.ac.uk/catalogue?sn=4348
Drinkstone parish is 34/301. This is a two digit County Number, Suffolk is 34, and a three digit District Number.  All the parishes in England & Wales have a unique reference number.
It would help if details were posted of the numbers found.

Stan
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: groom on Monday 18 December 17 15:23 GMT (UK)
I don't know if this is relevant but in the "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" published by the History Data Service, https://discover.ukdataservice.ac.uk/catalogue?sn=4348
Drinkstone parish is 34/301. This is a two digit County Number, Suffolk is 34, and a three digit District Number.  All the parishes in England & Wales have a unique reference number.
It would help if details were posted of the numbers found.

Stan

Isn’t this the number the OP is referring to?

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.  Back to my original question I have an individual died in 1765 • 1677001, Suffolk, England
Probably my fault for copying it but is my 6x gt grandmother                         
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: Nic. on Monday 18 December 17 16:23 GMT (UK)
Could this number simply be FHL Film number?
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 18 December 17 16:50 GMT (UK)
1677001 is the FHL film number for Denmark "Realregister - Albøge, Hoed 1867-1888 (med personreg.)"

Stan
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: hookleg on Wednesday 20 December 17 15:58 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all the help and suggestions. I'll see if I have any other similar references on my trees.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: StevieSteve on Wednesday 20 December 17 16:15 GMT (UK)
I've always thought those numbers are some kind of data corruption. I'll be surprised if you get anything useful out of them.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: hookleg on Wednesday 20 December 17 17:57 GMT (UK)
I must have come across them several dozens of times when trawling through records on ancestry, which is why I asked. You may be right, but people have copied them on to their trees.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: groom on Wednesday 20 December 17 18:07 GMT (UK)
I must have come across them several dozens of times when trawling through records on ancestry, which is why I asked. You may be right, but people have copied them on to their trees.

Just shows that people will copy anything without questioning it!
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: GailB on Wednesday 20 December 17 20:10 GMT (UK)


1651603 is as you can see Holywell, Flintshire, Wales. I double checked this by Googling FHL 1651603 and a wikitree came up where a person had been born in Holywell.

I googled FHL 1677001 and the same happened a Wikitree and it appears to be Woolpit, Suffolk.
Title: Re: Villages or towns designated by a number on a tree.
Post by: hookleg on Friday 15 June 18 07:11 BST (UK)
Just come across this in my research.
William Orbell
1581–1657
Birth NOV 1581 • 1677271, Suffolk, England
Death 15 OCT 1657 • 1677271, Suffolk, England
Having looked at other trees, it appears that the 1677271 refers to Stansfield, Suffolk
I am still none the wiser as to this kind of source!!