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Title: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: ainslie on Tuesday 19 December 17 10:02 GMT (UK)
The pictures are from a locket now with a relative in USA.  Family opinions differ about the subjects though we agree that it was probably done in celebration of marriage.

The possible couples are
1. Francis Lind (1705-1759), married at Carlisle in 1750 to Elizabeth Farrer (1725-1781).  He qualified as a doctor of medicine and served as surgeon in the 14th Regiment of Foot before becoming an officer in the same regiment.  He died in Gibraltar in 1759.  They had three sons.  Could this be him in uniform?
2. Montague Ainslie (1792-1884) and his first wife Sophia Ricketts (1800-1833).  He went to Bengal for the East India Company and they were married there in 1818.  We have other images of this second pair which lead me to favour couple no. 1, but I am open to all comments on costume and general style.

My thanks to those who guided me on posting the image.

Ainslie
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: tommyfromri on Wednesday 20 December 17 02:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Ainslie, I hope you don't mind giving these a tidy. They are so beautiful I thought they deserved it !  Kind Regards,   Tommy
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: McGroger on Wednesday 20 December 17 08:47 GMT (UK)
Hi, Ainslie.
I know nothing... nothing! :D ;D
But googling of images of period hairstyles, they appear much more 1750s than 1820s.
Peter.
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 20 December 17 08:57 GMT (UK)
I would say the young lady looks really young so would lean towards the second couple (because she would be 18 rather than 25) but just my impression of her.

Having said that I do agree the styling looks earlier.

Could you perhaps post a different image of the second couple?  If she died in 1833 she was still young enough to compare with the image posted.

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 20 December 17 09:02 GMT (UK)
Lucky to have images of even one couple at that time period I'd have thought!!    ;)  Lovely to have!

Well before the time of photography, and how many people would have had their portraits painted?  That would require money wouldn't it?

Google Marie Antoinette image 1775 to see comparison of lady's hairstyle.

Wiggy
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: Regorian on Wednesday 20 December 17 09:15 GMT (UK)
 Uniform after 1768 and before 1800.

Added: Timescale 1770's. Facings and lace for 14th, buff and silver/white!
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: ainslie on Wednesday 20 December 17 11:27 GMT (UK)
Thank you all very much for comments, and Tommy for the improvemnt to the original image.  This is going to take some time to digest, and I will come back with a later image of couple no. 2.

Ainslie
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: Regorian on Wednesday 20 December 17 11:35 GMT (UK)
As this coat has no facings, may be undress coat or his coat as regimental surgeon.
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: aus*jen on Wednesday 20 December 17 21:10 GMT (UK)
Beautiful restoration work Tommy.

Regards,
Jen.
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: mirl on Wednesday 20 December 17 23:31 GMT (UK)
I wonder if you can date it via the locket itself?

Is there a makers hallmark you could research?
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: tommyfromri on Wednesday 20 December 17 23:33 GMT (UK)
Beautiful restoration work Tommy.

Regards,
Jen.
Thank-you so much Jen. These Victorian photos are my fav. This one looks like a French Victorian of the many I've seen.
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: McGroger on Thursday 21 December 17 09:48 GMT (UK)
Things pretty quiet, so I had a play.  :)
Peter
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: Regorian on Thursday 21 December 17 10:18 GMT (UK)
I've told you they are 1770's. Victorian??? the mind boggles.
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: silvery on Thursday 21 December 17 14:18 GMT (UK)
The man appears to be a lot younger than 45.     
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 21 December 17 15:04 GMT (UK)
Maybe it's a 3rd couple we don't know about and neither of the two possibles. 
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: ainslie on Thursday 21 December 17 15:34 GMT (UK)
Some good thoughts there, and I am always amazed at the skill shown by our resident artists here.  I am waiting for an answer about any hallmark on the locket, but we don't know how busy they are across the pond.  There was a big spread of relatives at that period, so the list of candidates might have to be extended...
A
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: aus*jen on Thursday 21 December 17 23:23 GMT (UK)
It is Christmas Regorian, time to lighten up!    No need for such a dogmatic comment.
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 21 December 17 23:59 GMT (UK)
Lucky to have images of even one couple at that time period I'd have thought!!    ;)  Lovely to have!

Well before the time of photography, and how many people would have had their portraits painted?  That would require money wouldn't it?

Google Marie Antoinette image 1775 to see comparison of lady's hairstyle.

Wiggy

It does look to be from the same era doesn't it Wiggy. How lovely to have such a beautiful pair of miniatures and so well executed :o What a shame that they don't appear to be signed.

Carol
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: Wiggy on Friday 22 December 17 00:12 GMT (UK)
Antiques Roadshow eat your heart out!!       :)
Title: Re: Help with period and costume - old locket
Post by: McGroger on Friday 22 December 17 02:56 GMT (UK)
 :D ;D ;D :D