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Title: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: Josephine on Sunday 24 December 17 19:47 GMT (UK)
I've just come across this appellation for the first time; does anyone know what it means?

Caledonian Mercury
Sat., Aug. 5, 1843

"CHAIN DROPPING. -- Yesterday, Alexander Muir, brother of a notorious chain dropper, who was a few days ago convicted here, was brought from Glasgow by the police on a charge of having practised his nefarious trade recently in Broughton Street."

This particular Muir doesn't belong in my tree (as far as I know), so I'm not tracking him or anything; I'm just curious about the charge.

It seems to have had something to do with gambling, per the 1869 Prevention of Gaming Act in Scotland.

Merry Christmas! Keep those chains in your pocket or Santa won't visit your house tonight!

 :)

Regards,
Josephine
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 24 December 17 20:12 GMT (UK)
 :) Along with Thimblers, and Loaded Dice, a practise of vagrants & common beggars, how they did it still searching!

Merry Christmas all
Keyboard86
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: youngtug on Sunday 24 December 17 21:02 GMT (UK)
Maybe a variation; https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-tips/theft-scams/tourist-scams
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 24 December 17 21:12 GMT (UK)
From http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l6z/
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: Josephine on Sunday 24 December 17 22:00 GMT (UK)
Thanks, all! It looks like you've figured it out!

So interesting! And scandalous and nefarious! Not to mention notorious!

 :)

Regards,
Josephine
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 24 December 17 22:51 GMT (UK)
I can figure out loaded dice and now Chain dropping, but what was a Thimbler?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: youngtug on Sunday 24 December 17 23:48 GMT (UK)
I can figure out loaded dice and now Chain dropping, but what was a Thimbler?
Keyboard86

      https://youtu.be/IFLa_tl4Rk0
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 24 December 17 23:55 GMT (UK)
 :) Is that really what is was? To transfer an object from a walnut shell to another  I get, but a thimble?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: youngtug on Sunday 24 December 17 23:57 GMT (UK)
The mark is encouraged to bet on where the pea is, under which shell/thimble
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: youngtug on Monday 25 December 17 00:00 GMT (UK)
https://youtu.be/yP-OvorryAU
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 25 December 17 00:01 GMT (UK)
The mark is encouraged to bet on where the pea is, under which shell/thimble

 :) A variation of the three card trick, the " Mexican shuffle etc"
Keyboard86
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Monday 25 December 17 09:52 GMT (UK)
The mark is encouraged to bet on where the pea is, under which shell/thimble

Typically there would be a small crowd around the thimbler. The mark would see other people choosing the right thimble and getting a pay out, but he wouldn't know that these were all members of the gang. He would then be tempted to play, and would lose every time. It still goes on.
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: youngtug on Monday 25 December 17 11:10 GMT (UK)
The mark is encouraged to bet on where the pea is, under which shell/thimble

Typically there would be a small crowd around the thimbler. The mark would see other people choosing the right thimble and getting a pay out, but he wouldn't know that these were all members of the gang. He would then be tempted to play, and would lose every time. It still goes on.

Yeah, watch my Utube clip.
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Monday 25 December 17 11:15 GMT (UK)
The mark is encouraged to bet on where the pea is, under which shell/thimble

Typically there would be a small crowd around the thimbler. The mark would see other people choosing the right thimble and getting a pay out, but he wouldn't know that these were all members of the gang. He would then be tempted to play, and would lose every time. It still goes on.

Yeah, watch my Utube clip.

I just did. Amazing that people are still falling for the same trick, more than a hundred years later.
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 25 December 17 16:30 GMT (UK)
Hi all, seen that in Oxford Street, cannot due to just how to do it, show the YouTube example of 3 card Monte which in my early years was the favoured scam in Oxford Street!
Anybody show the the example shown by the magician, it was fascinating how you get conned?!
Keyboard86
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: Josephine on Monday 25 December 17 16:48 GMT (UK)
I've got a sudden hankering to rewatch The Sting over the holidays!

 :D
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 25 December 17 16:53 GMT (UK)
I've got a sudden hankering to rewatch The Sting over the holidays!

 :D

 ;) Brilliant film, but took ages/a real team to set up, these scams could be kept in a pocket.
Keyboard86

PS watch that YouTube clip/s of the 3 card trick.
Title: Re: A notorious chain dropper!
Post by: youngtug on Monday 25 December 17 17:43 GMT (UK)
Here you go; https://youtu.be/o2kO_5cNF5k