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Hello Everyone,
I wasn't sure which forum to post this in because of the two different locations.
I haven't been on Rootschat for a very long time, but I do remember that in the past people were extremely helpful. I'm wondering now whether anyone can help me with this.
I have my cousin's grandparents marriage certificate, showing his grandfather John Clark aged 29, of 149 Magpie Hall Road, Chatham, Kent, marrying his grandmother Mary Agnes McLoughlin, 26, of 9 Bath Mill Cottages, Lancaster, in St. Peter's Church, East Road Lancaster (RC) on 13th September 1909.
John Clark's father is called William Clark, a storekeeper and Mary Agnes's father is Charles McLoughlin a Labourer. The witnesses are W. H. Clark and Mary E. Clark.
I have tried every possible combination I can think of in the records to try to track their birth registration, or their location in any of the census records since their birth, and have failed miserably.
I did find a marriage in an on line parish clerk's records for a Charles McLaughlin of the right age in the right neighbourhood on 24.July 1880 to an Elizabeth Ann Wilson. This was in a Cof E church and may or may not be the same Charles.
I am really flagging now, and would appreciate any help that more effective searchers may be able to give me.
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Did they have twins :-\
JOHN CLARK
MARY CECILIA CLARK
mmn MCLOUGHLIN
1912 Dec Quarter
MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1334
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This looks like them in 1911 both bn Lancaster
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDN-5N3
CLARK, HERBERT LAWRENCE mmn MCLAUGHLIN
1910 Sept Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 723
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Yes, that's them all right, Rosie. What I'm trying to do is to trace them in the records before that marriage in 1909 and hopefully trace their parents back further. If you can see anything further back in the mists of time, I'd be most grateful!
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William Clark - occ Storekeeper
1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49N-FRD
1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9VQ-HVS
9 Bath Mill Cottages
1881 with John age 1 - RG11 /4266 f83 p16
Common Garden Street, Lancaster
William age 48 Store keeper bn Dolphonholme
Ellen 38 bn Galgate
Jane A 6
Agnes 4
Mary E 2
John 1
children all bn Lancaster
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1891 - 9 Bath Mill Cottages, Lancaster
William Clark 52 - store keeper in cotton Mill bn Dolphinholme
Ellen Clark 48 bn Thurnham
Jane A Clark 16
Mary E Clark 12
John Clark 11
William H Clark 9
children all bn Lancaster
They are still at that address after Johns marriage. Mary Agnes was not giving her home address when she married
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Rose, this is amazing!! Thank you SO much. I can see now that the witnesses on the marriage cert were John's brother and sister.
But, what is going on in 1891? The Clarks are all living at the address given by John's McLaughlin bride nearly twenty years later?? Are the McLaughlins there too?
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It would appear that it is the Clarks who are resident at 9 Bath Mill Cottages they were there from at least 1891
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Oh, sorry I've just read your last comment about them being there all the time. How odd. Well, I wonder now whether the Charles McLaughlin I found in the OnLine Parish records is the one after all. S (Can see your further post and will read that now.)
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I think this could be John's birth registration
CLARK, JOHN mmn SMITHERS
1880 March Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 740
Some of his siblings
CLARK, JANE ANN mmn SMITHERS
1875 March Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 701
CLARK, MARY ELEANOR CLARK mmn SMITHERS
1878 Dec Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 761
Marriage June qtr 1874
Clark William
SMITHERS Ellen
Lancaster 8e 1053
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Here she is ;D
Births Dec qtr 1882
McLaughlin Mary Agnes - mothers maiden name Wilson
Lancaster 8e 737
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MCLAUGHLIN, CHARLES mmn WILSON
1887 Sept Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 768
MCLAUGHLIN, JOHN WILLIAM mmn WILSON
1885 Sept Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 744
I did find a marriage in an on line parish clerk's records for a Charles McLaughlin of the right age in the right neighbourhood on 24.July 1880 to an Elizabeth Ann Wilson. This was in a Cof E church and may or may not be the same Charles.
;D ;D
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Bath Mill Cottages are still there. They are actually quite substantial for "cottages", being a terrace of 3-storey houses overlooking the Lancaster Canal at the back.
Chris
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MCLOUGHLIN, ROBERT WILSON mmnWILSON
1891 June Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 820
............ Deaths Jun 1891
MCLOUGHLIN Robert Wilson age 0 Lancaster 8e 684
MCLOUGHLAN, FRANK mmn WILSON
1892 June Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 776
..........Deaths Jun 1892
McLoughlan Frank age 0 Lancaster 8e 496
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No wonder I can't find her in 1901
Deaths Dec 1894
Elizabeth Ann McLOUGHLIN age 34
Lancaster 8e 506
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Oh Rosie, this is absolutely fantastic!! He'll be so pleased. You are a complete star! And thanks, too, Chris, for the info about the houses. I'm just going to take a few minutes to digest al this now.
Thank you thank you thank you!!
Siobhán
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Is this a possibility for Charles :-\
Deaths Dec qtr 1908
McLAUGHLEN Charles age 52
Lancaster 8e 505
I can't see him on census yet. I think I may have seen his wife as a patient in an institution in 1891.
(That 1891 was born Lincoln, Lincolnshire )
All found in 1891
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In 1901 Mary Ag McLoughlin is age 18 bn Lancaster -employed in laundry
RG13/1234 f89 p57
Living Home of the Good Shepherd, Finchley, Middlesex
(attached to the Convent of the Good Shepherd)
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That's a long way to go. But I was just going to say that .....Oh, I just had a thought.
Young Catholic girls working in convent laundries a long way from home usually means only one thing.
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As her mother had died in 1894 I expect she was taken in by the church.
The Wilson's (Elizabeth Ann's parents are at 5 Windermere Road, Lancaster in 1881
Robert age 65 bn Bleasdale, Lancashire (a tailor)
Elizabeth 56 born Ireland.
RG11/4265 f47 p29
That address ties in with the OPC marriage address.
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1871 has Elizabeth A Wilson as age 11 born Devonport, Devonshire
RG10/4231 f 6 p5 - Oven House Gates, China Lane, Lancaster
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1881 Westbourne Terrace, Lancaster
RG11/4263 f18 p30
Charles Mc Laughton age 25 occ Mattmaker born Halifax, Yorkshire
Elizabeth A Mc Laughton age 21 occ Cotton Weaver born Devon Barracks
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1891-11 Windermere Road, Lancaster
Charles McLauglin 35 General Labourer bn Halifax Yorkshire
Elizabeth McLauglin 31 bn Devon (Portmouth)
Mary A 8 bn Lancaster
John W 5 bn Lancaster
Charles 3 bn Lancaster
Patrick McLauglin Boarder age 26 bn Darlington, Durham
Robert Wilson Visitor Widower 75 Retired Tailor bn Galgate, Lancashire