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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: SharonK on Wednesday 27 December 17 19:02 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can find Lettice Hayhurst’s baptism. On her marriage certificate in 1838 her father is John Hayhurst (weaver). She married in Manchester but lived in Blackburn afterwards and possibly before so thinking her baptism may be Blackburn. She was of full age on marriage certificate in 1838, 20 on 1841 census and died aged 31 in 1849. I just can’t get any further back! Thanks.
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and died aged 31 in 1849.
Died aged 30 Sept qtr 1849 www.lancashirebmd.org.uk and GRO online
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Thank you yes I have this but really want to know when/where she was born etc so I can try and find her mum’s name and parents marriage hopefully. :-)
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Have you checked Lancashire OPC or familysearch?
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Yep both and there’s nothing for around that time with John as dad. There’s only three come up at all on lanopc butall wrong time wrong dad.
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Image of marriage is on ancestry 18 June 1838
Her father John Hayhurst is a Grocer,
Richard Fish father of her intended husband James Fish is the weaver.
Are the witnesses any help, John Carr and Charles Warmsley?
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Hello thank you yes I have her marriage and that’s how I got her father’s name. It’s all I really have to go off to try and find her parents and when/where she was born. The witnesses names mean nothing sadly. I think maybe they could have been strangers as they married in Manchester but lived in Blackburn and believe, from other advice I received, that couples married in large groups at Manchester cathedral from other towns on their days off from work.
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Sorry yes I mistyped the father’s occupation!
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I’ve even tried searching ancestry for a John Hayhurst living in Blackburn of around the right age who is a grocer in 1841 but it’s too hard!
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Using Lan OPC and 1818+/- 5 i don't see any baptism of a child to John,a grocer.Maybe Lettice was illegitimate and dreamt up her fathers name to avoid embarrassment.
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What about the Thomas Kenyon and his wife Jane nee Cooper who took in all of James and Lettice Fish' children, he was a bricklayer also, but quite a responsibility to take in all three children, related in anyway?
1851 census Blackburn, Richard Fish 9, Ann Fish 5, Letitia Fish 2.
In 1861 even though Thomas has died and Jane is living with her married daughter Ann Hilton, Lettice Fish is still living with them described as an orphan.
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can you post who she married please - there is a record on www.geneanet.org and need to see if she is the right Lettice - it states Blackburn -
I am confused - marriages to Thomas Cowpe - James Fish - John Lomax - which one did your Lettice marry ?
ADDED -OK James Fish at Manchester Cathedral
the Blackburn Lettice Hayhurst marries Thomas Cowpe - could you post the 1841 census you have of James Fish and family in Blackburn please with Lettice
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OK - you never mentioned that in 1841 census James Fish aged 20 -24 Lettice Fish aged 20 - 24 - William Poston aged 15-19 and Oliver Hirst .aged 15-19 are in an Institution ...in Union Street, Blackburn ,Lancashire ..
Can any member advise us as to what this Institution was please ? I will search this site to see if it is mentioned :)
added -not mentioned on this site - been on map of Union Street and it is only a small Street - so doen't look like a Workhouse or Hospital ??...any thoughts ??
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Findmypast Newspapers
30 September 1846 Blackburn Standard.
John Hayhurst, Charles Warmsley, Henry Smithies, James Turner, Robert Parkinson something concerning a partnership, I don't have a sub so cannot read all of it.
My point is that a Charles Warmsley signed as a witness to the marriage of James Fish to Lettice Hayhurst, could be a clue.
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James Fish buried St Mary the Virgin Blackburn 25 November 1849 aged 30.
Lettice also died aged 30 in 1849, was there a flu epidemic or some other malady going around.
Do you have the death certificates, who reported the deaths to the registrar?
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Oooh thanks so much for all this guys! No I don’t have their death certificates. I should perhaps order them.
I do have Blackburn Kenyon’s in my tree but they are on my mums side and these Fish/Hayhurst are on my dad’s side! I have wondered if there could be some connection because as you say it’s quite a commitment to take on three orphan children but I haven’t found a link as yet.
I hadn’t realised that the 1841 address was an institution and I don’t know who the other two people in the household are. I did wonder if Oliver Hirst may have been mistranscribed and he could be a Hayhurst but no evidence for this.
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1841 isn't an Institution, they are living on Union Street.
The cover page for the area states it is for Pump Street, Back Street and Union Street.
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it states clearly on this that it is an Institution
Lettice Fish
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name Lettice Fish
Titles and Terms NULL
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Residence Note Union Street
Gender Female
Age 20-24
Age (Original) 20
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1817-1821
Birthplace Lancashire
Registration District Blackburn
Parish Blackburn
County Lancashire
Page Number 3
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 502/4
Affiliate Record Type Institution
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