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Title: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: anabananaa on Thursday 28 December 17 14:52 GMT (UK)
This painting is in my living room and I wanted to know who drew this painting . I tried to understand the handwriting but I found it impossible. Can you help me understand what is written in that print because it is not original. Would make my day. Thank you a lot .  ::) :D :)
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 28 December 17 15:05 GMT (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat...Looks at first glance like Master Wall?
Carol
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: anabananaa on Thursday 28 December 17 16:09 GMT (UK)
Yeah it looks like master wall but when I searched in google about master wall paintings I couldnt fins this painting. :'(

Thanks for writing :D
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Thursday 28 December 17 17:48 GMT (UK)
It does look like Master Wall, but that seems an unlikely name for an artist. Can you post the whole image, and some information - where does it come from, how did you find it, etc.

Mike
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: anabananaa on Thursday 28 December 17 18:02 GMT (UK)
This is the painting. The print actually since it's not original.
I have no information about it.  ???
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: anabananaa on Thursday 28 December 17 18:05 GMT (UK)
It is a little washed away in the left as you can see. :D
 Thanks :)
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 28 December 17 18:34 GMT (UK)
I think it is something like...

Initial. middle name... Wall


j. jordan wall for example... maybe just a guess

xin


a place to search

https://goo.gl/cxyZ23
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: mike175 on Thursday 28 December 17 21:38 GMT (UK)
My first impression was "Martin Wall", but the harder you look at it the harder it is to decide  :-\
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Post by: richardanthony on Thursday 28 December 17 21:43 GMT (UK)
unusual place to have a signature it usually goes on lower right, have a good look there.
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: [Ray] on Thursday 28 December 17 21:55 GMT (UK)

Outside box  . . . . .

"Wonder Wall"

?
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: [Ray] on Thursday 28 December 17 21:56 GMT (UK)

What is the known history of the pic?

Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 28 December 17 22:24 GMT (UK)

Outside box  . . . . .

"Wonder Wall"

?

The capital letter in the first name is different Ray...I don't think that Oasis were that kind of artists  ::) ;D ;D

Carol
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Dirtypaw on Friday 29 December 17 01:44 GMT (UK)
Hi all this is an uneducated guess but i found DENNIS ENDEAN IVALL an artist /teacher ie MASTER ...I reckon he and student may have done the work together ...??  Or the son of IVALL
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Wiggy on Friday 29 December 17 03:19 GMT (UK)
Another uneducated guess . . . . 

I wonder if Master Wall  (which is what it looks like to me too) could be the company making and selling prints of the original paintings.    I don't know about these things but as someone says the signature is not on the usual place for the artist - so maybe for the printmaking company??

Wiggy
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Wiggy on Friday 29 December 17 03:30 GMT (UK)
Well this is very strange . . . . I tried google image matching - didn't find any,

 . . . . . . but this very painting came up on many sites which are apparently Polish in origin and appear to be advertising all sorts of clothing - like shirts and anoraks, underwear  etc etc.


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l7n/

Click on the last link on page 2 of the above link, and there are a number of paintings displayed there, including yours. 

See this link below.

https://sprzedajemy.pl/temat/obrazy+ceny

No idea what this means for your painting.
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: chinapaddy on Friday 29 December 17 04:02 GMT (UK)
Marten Wall?
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Dirtypaw on Friday 29 December 17 04:26 GMT (UK)
Hi for fear of stating the obvious whats on the backside....thanks Craig??
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Post by: Karen McDonald on Friday 29 December 17 10:48 GMT (UK)
I see Madlen Wall...  :o
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Post by: dublin1850 on Friday 29 December 17 11:34 GMT (UK)
Given the possible Polish connection, I wonder could it be Modlin, now known as Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki, in which case the river would be the Narew.
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: anabananaa on Friday 29 December 17 11:41 GMT (UK)
What Madlen wall? Where???  :o
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: anabananaa on Friday 29 December 17 11:46 GMT (UK)
Thank you a lot dublin! That is very helpful  :D :D :D
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Post by: Gadget on Friday 29 December 17 11:46 GMT (UK)

I think I'd be concentrating on Wiggy's link and only Dublin seems to have picked it up:


See this link below.

https://sprzedajemy.pl/temat/obrazy+ceny

No idea what this means for your painting.

It's clearly the same image and I would think it's a title rather than a signature.


Gadget
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 29 December 17 12:08 GMT (UK)
well that lead to the artwork being sold on some kind of Polish EBAY page...

leaves me wondering ..  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


xin
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Friday 29 December 17 12:13 GMT (UK)
unusual place to have a signature it usually goes on lower right, have a good look there.

Not really - plenty of painters sign on either the right or left, depending on where it looks best against the background.
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: Gadget on Friday 29 December 17 12:18 GMT (UK)
Nearest that I can find of a low footway over the Narew:

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/21853488.jpg

Mike - many artists sign on the back!


Added - this is to give an idea of the scenery around  the river Narew
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: chinapaddy on Friday 29 December 17 12:31 GMT (UK)
Marten.....Elliot H. Marten painted a lot of this kind of landscapes

https://www.invaluable.com/artist/marten-elliot-h-c0dh03byse/sold-at-auction-prices/

https://www.mutualart.com/Artist/Elliot-H--Marten/69FF9ACF320AFEA0/Artworks
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: anabananaa on Friday 29 December 17 12:36 GMT (UK)
That is very helpful  :D :D :D :D thank youuuu
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Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Friday 29 December 17 13:20 GMT (UK)
Marten.....Elliot H. Marten painted a lot of this kind of landscapes

https://www.invaluable.com/artist/marten-elliot-h-c0dh03byse/sold-at-auction-prices/

https://www.mutualart.com/Artist/Elliot-H--Marten/69FF9ACF320AFEA0/Artworks

I don't think it is Elliot Marten's work - he had a very distinctive watercolour style, and his signature looked quite different to this. 
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: mike175 on Friday 29 December 17 13:53 GMT (UK)
I tend to agree with Mike, the style doesn't seem right for Elliot Marten. But I do like the picture, I have an unsigned miniature in similar style bought from a charity shop. However, I fear the value may not be high. The one on the Polish site seems to be selling at around 15 Euros  :-\
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Post by: Gadget on Friday 29 December 17 13:54 GMT (UK)
A more detailed link to Wiggy's find:

Translated as 'a landscape picture' (used) price - 70 PZL

https://sprzedajemy.pl/obraz-pejzaz-warszawa-7897fb-nr54143322
Title: Re: PLease help meeeeeee
Post by: arthurk on Friday 29 December 17 13:57 GMT (UK)
If you scroll down on this page (already given above): https://www.olx.pl/oferta/obraz-z-pejzazem-CID628-IDlUnzc.html there's a picture showing a label on the back of the one that's for sale in Poland, where they've read the artist's name as Wall.

Wall doesn't really sound like a Polish name to me, although with its Germanic origins it could no doubt occur in any English/Dutch/German speaking country. Also in neighbouring countries - Germany once included regions that have been ceded to France and Poland.

However, where a print is now may tell us very little about where the original was painted, or by whom.
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Post by: dublin1850 on Friday 29 December 17 23:14 GMT (UK)
It might be worth an email to the National Museum in Warsaw.
http://www.mnw.art.pl/en/contact/ (http://www.mnw.art.pl/en/contact/)