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Title: Rachel Tonks
Post by: bobtonks on Sunday 31 December 17 13:14 GMT (UK)
In 1907 John Tonks married Rachel Done. In the 1911 census they were living in Odd Rode Congleton with six children, three with birth dates prior to the marriage. John R 1898, Lily R 1900, and Martha E. 1901. Rachel 1908, William 1909, and Martha 1911 were born after the marriage.
( Lily and Martha E also have 'Done' marked against their names. (but not John). Rachel is 40. (1871)

In the 1901 census Rachel Done (1873) is (married) to John Done and living in Alsager Congleton with their three children, John A 1898, Lily R 1900 and Martha E 1901.  John Done died 1902 (Congleton).

I cannot find a marriage between John Done and Rachel and therefore can't establish her birth name. Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: groom on Sunday 31 December 17 13:22 GMT (UK)
If you use the new GRO site which shows maiden names both Lily (Lilian Rose) and Martha (Martha Ellen) have mother maiden name SIMMS,

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: candleflame on Sunday 31 December 17 13:25 GMT (UK)
Beat me to it but marking this thread so I can follow it on.
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: groom on Sunday 31 December 17 13:28 GMT (UK)
To confirm it as well

TONKS, MARTHA    mmn   SIMMS    
GRO Reference: 1911  J Quarter
CONGLETON  Volume 08A  Page 278
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: candleflame on Sunday 31 December 17 13:29 GMT (UK)
John Albert is there too with maiden name of Simms March quarter 1898.
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: groom on Sunday 31 December 17 13:32 GMT (UK)
Looking on Freebmd there is this marriage group, with a male missing

Marriages Sep 1896   
Hopley    William          
Prophett    Mary Annie                      
Simms    Rachel

Newcastle L    6b   125   

Next to Rachel's name is a postem which reads:

"John Done married Rachel Simms. His entry can be found at Newcastle under Lyme Vol. 6b p152."        
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: candleflame on Sunday 31 December 17 13:39 GMT (UK)
Well spotted Jan !  :)
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: groom on Sunday 31 December 17 13:48 GMT (UK)
Birth?

Rachel Simms
Registration Year:   1874
Registration Quarter:   Jul-Aug-Sep
Newcastle under Lyme
Volume:   6b
Page:   74
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 14:33 GMT (UK)
Birth?

Rachel Simms
Registration Year:   1874
Registration Quarter:   Jul-Aug-Sep
Newcastle under Lyme
Volume:   6b
Page:   74

Hi Rachel Tonks appears to have died 1941 Crewe 8a 647 aged 66

Her baptism along with a sister Esther was 28th May 1876 Mow Cop, St Thomas Father Samuel occ Collier Mother Sarah abode Silverdale
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: bobtonks on Sunday 31 December 17 16:21 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for that. I had found a 'John Done' marriage in 1896 but in FindMyPast it was not recorded who he married. Also, I just looked up Rachel Simms marriage in FindMyPast and it only lists William Hopley as a husband.

Maybe you also could find what happened to a daughter of John's from an earlier marriage. Nancy Tonks born 1882 to John & Nancy (Howe). I can see her in 1891 (Odd Rode) living with her parents, but after that , nothing.

Thanks again for looking and finding the info on Rachel.

Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 16:32 GMT (UK)
Hi if she was born 27th August 1882 I believe she possibly married an Asbury in Cheadle 1918?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 31 December 17 16:41 GMT (UK)
There is an ancestry tree which says Nancy married Edward William Asbury in 1900 - couldn't find a marriage listed in 1900.  ??? 

Two children born 28 May 1902 Selina Asbury - GRO gives mmn as Tonks.
Frank Kendrick Asbury born 1910 - GRO gives mmn as Tonks

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7F-8M5

Sandra
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 31 December 17 16:45 GMT (UK)
Hi if she was born 27th August 1882 I believe she possibly married an Asbury in Cheadle 1918?
Keyboard86

This looks like the right couple - ancestry tree is quoting info from 1911 census - marriage 11 years - thats where 1900 comes from  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 16:47 GMT (UK)
 :) So the 1918 marriage suggests that possibly Edward William could not marry until then, or they just lived as a couple by 1911?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 31 December 17 16:56 GMT (UK)
None of the anc trees show couple in 1901  ??? Edward not with parents in Alsager.

Sandra
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 17:11 GMT (UK)
 :) For confirmation of year of birth  did Edward W die March qtr 1932 Cheadle aged 62
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 31 December 17 17:15 GMT (UK)
Brother Arthur T Asbury isn't around in 1901 either.  Arthur T Asbury may have died December 1936 -Bucklow Cheshire. 8 a 233

Birth for Edward W Asbury Asbury was given as 1870 died March 1932 - Cheadle - aged 62 years -

Sandra
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 31 December 17 17:21 GMT (UK)
Sister Julia nee Asbury Bossons passed away in Vancouver BC 1922

Married Joseph Bossons - 1879 - Wolstanton - 6b121

According to 1901 Census - Manitoba -  Bossons immigrated to Canada 1882

Joseph H Bossons   42 Julia Bossons   
Arthur J Bossons 22 Fredner W Bossons 18 Frank Bossons 16
Gertie Bossons   14 Alice Bossons 11 Cecil Bossons 9
Nellie Bossons   5 Clarence Bossons   2 Albert V Bossons 0

Sandra
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: bobtonks on Sunday 31 December 17 17:39 GMT (UK)
Thank you. - for the record - Selina was the name of Nancy's Grandmother. It is odd that the marriage is recorded in 1918 when the records indicate that they had already been married for 18 years. And no sign of them in 1901!!!  As you say - maybe just living together.

I found a death for Nancy Asbury in 1857.

Thanks again for you help.

Bob
Title: Re: Rachel Tonks
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 18:14 GMT (UK)
Hi again, Selina married a Christopher Simcock 1923 and is shown at her death as born 28th May 1902 died Dec qtr 1974 Moorlands, Staffordshire v30 page 1344
Keyboard86