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Title: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Sunday 31 December 17 18:54 GMT (UK)
looking for any info at all. Can't seem to find records of her birth. She is on the 1881 census as living with her aunt at the Colliers Arms. Think her dad might be Edmund but not sure. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 31 December 17 19:02 GMT (UK)
Someone has an anc tree with the name as Hannah Rebecca June 1873 - Ynysybwl, South Wales  ???

The source record they give doesn't quite tally - Rebecca Edwards - Q3 - 1874 - Pontypridd Glamorgan - 11a 350

I didn't see a birth under Hannah Rebecca Edwards in 1873 or 1874  :-\

They also give the father as Edmund - 18 March 1844 - Eglwysilan, Glamorgan, Wales
passed away December 1921 - Ynysybwl, Glamorgan

If this is not you, it would give a contact to compare notes.


Sandra
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 31 December 17 19:08 GMT (UK)
Do you know her mother's maiden name? There is a birth of a Rebecca Edwards in the June quarter of 1873, in Pontypridd, mother's maiden name Evans. Vol 11a, p327
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 31 December 17 19:18 GMT (UK)
Do you know the one at the Colliers arms is definitely your Rebecca as her age is given as 6 (born 1875).

There is another Rebecca Edwards in 1881, in Pontypridd, aged 7, parents Thomas and Ann, with 4 younger siblings. She may well be the JuneQ 1873 birth as there is a school record for Coedpenmaen, dad Thomas, Rebecca's date of birth listed as 10 May 1873. 
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 19:22 GMT (UK)
 :) Hi she was either born to a pub life or had relatives who did, if she is the Rebecca Edwards 17 shown as Servant at the Greyhound Inn Pontypridd in 1891 census
RG12/4420/94/32
Keyboard86

Or the above find!!
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 31 December 17 20:00 GMT (UK)
Did she marry Thomas Thomas in 1892? If so, your best bet would be to buy the marriage certificate as that should give the name of her father (so long as she knew his name). Vol 11a, p784
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 20:01 GMT (UK)
Hi if it all helps the Aunt in 1881 Rachel Williams is still at the Colliers Arms, Mill Street in 1871 census:-

Rachel Williams 50
Mary 21
Gwen 19
Elizabeth 18
Margaret 12
Margaret Thomas 21 Niece to Head
RG10/5379/26/7
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 21:17 GMT (UK)
Hi again, sticking with the Aunt Rachel, she is married to a John Williams at the Colliers Arms Mill Street Llanwonno in 1861 census
RG09/4049/27/17
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 December 17 23:12 GMT (UK)
Hi again sticking once again with the "Aunt" all children look to have mmn Herbert, a John Williams married a Rachel Herbert 18th April 1846 Gelligaer

In 1851 at Colliers Arms Mill Street Llanwyno
John Williams 37
Rachel 30
Mary 1
HO107/2457/53/13
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 02:08 GMT (UK)
Someone has an anc tree with the name as Hannah Rebecca June 1873 - Ynysybwl, South Wales  ???

The source record they give doesn't quite tally - Rebecca Edwards - Q3 - 1874 - Pontypridd Glamorgan - 11a 350

I didn't see a birth under Hannah Rebecca Edwards in 1873 or 1874  :-\

They also give the father as Edmund - 18 March 1844 - Eglwysilan, Glamorgan, Wales
passed away December 1921 - Ynysybwl, Glamorgan

If this is not you, it would give a contact to compare notes.


Sandra

Possibly they believe she was the Hannah REBEKKA Thomas baptism 30th September 1874 Gelligaer  baptised at 11 months old to Lewis occ Butcher Mother Elizabeth?
Keyboard86

PS Happy New Year to all on RootsChat!

EDIT Thomas Thomas and Rebecca and family in 1901 RG13/5045/51/15
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Monday 01 January 18 17:03 GMT (UK)
Thankyou so much for all your help everyone. It is so much appreciated. This has given me more to work on. I know that she did in fact marry Thomas Thomas, so maybe what I do need to do is order the marriage certificate, so that I can identify the father 's surname. I will let you know how I get on . Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Monday 01 January 18 17:12 GMT (UK)
Furthermore, I think her birth may be 1875 according to the 1901 census.
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 17:17 GMT (UK)
Hi I possibly think Edmund also used Edward as his christian name, the baptism shown above for him 18th March 1844 Eglwysilan had parents James & Rebecca, they appear to marry 27th November 1843 Eglwysilan Rebecca Leigh Father Daniel Leigh James Edwards Father Edward Edwards
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 17:48 GMT (UK)
HI again, if I have correct one aged 35 born ( Transcribed EGLWSELEN) with father James 71 he is unmarried, and possibly married 1881 to 1891 two children I believe could be his are Samuel  Leigh Edwards June qtr 1889 Pontypridd 11a 422 mmn RICHARD and Jane Edwards Sept qtr 1887 Pontypridd 11a 386 mmn RICHARDS
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Monday 01 January 18 18:03 GMT (UK)
Thankyou for this. I know I am indeed connected through Rebecca Leigh as I have connected with her through my DNA matches. I was wondering if Edward and Edmund were one of the same. The first boy of Rebecca and Thomas Thomas was called Edmund and the second boy was James, would this match with Welsh naming systems?
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 18:11 GMT (UK)
Hi again, Edward was a Widower in 1901 census, two other children to find on 1891 census:-

Daniel William Edwards 1881 Pontypridd mmn Richards and Catherine Edwards 1885 Pontypridd mmn Richards
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 19:20 GMT (UK)
Hi still does not answer if he was the father of Rebecca as he is single in 1881 census, but the Edward with Father James have in same household a Mary Richards 21 occ Servant at Byarthcapel, Llanwonno, Pontypridd
Census ref RG11/5294/133/6
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 19:40 GMT (UK)
 :) A rethink required, James and Rebecca also had a son EDWARD Edwards 16th March 1846 Eglwysilan, this is the one I believe married Mary Richards, so where did Edmund 1844 get to?

Also the gentleman who officiated over the marriage of James Edwards & Rebecca Leigh was an Edmund Leigh occ Curate.
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Monday 01 January 18 19:57 GMT (UK)
Yes, this is where I just become unstuck. I have Edmund and Edward, just can't seem to fathom who would be a Rebecca Thomas nee EdwArds father? Thankyou so much for trying for me!
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 20:27 GMT (UK)
OK around about the time of the birth of Rebecca c 1875 we have an Edmund Edwards who married June qtr 1870 Pontypridd 11a 462 and this family in 1871 census:-

Edmond Edwards 27
Mary 28
Mary Ann 3
James 2
William 1
Residing Llanwonno
Census ref RG10/5379/73/11

Have these been checked out?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Monday 01 January 18 22:13 GMT (UK)
Yes I think that is the family, although cannot seem to see them on the 1881 census.
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 22:15 GMT (UK)
Hi again, this needs checking out but the children on that 1871 census all appear to have mmn Edwards, their is also a marriage in 1867 Pontypridd 11a 406 of an Edmund Edwards to possibly a Rachel Edwards, following on from this the childrens baptisms show Father Edmund Mother Rachel, this includes in addition a baptsim 30th September 1883 Llanwonno of a Rebecca Edwards Father Edmund Mother Rachel, with abode which could be that that Rebecca shows Glynmynach YNYNBUL?

I cannot locate a birth or death for a Rebecca Edwards c 1883 Pontypridd?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Monday 01 January 18 22:32 GMT (UK)
Thankyou. I found a death for Rebecca Thomas on 1933. She had her first daughter Annie Maud At 19, so she had to be born around 1874. She gave birth to 13 children. You have been so helpful. Who should I contact to get a copy of her Marriage certificate.? Thankyou once again.
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 01 January 18 23:32 GMT (UK)
Hi again, possibly Rebecca for what ever reason was baptised later, the birth Sept qtr 1874 Pontypridd has mmn Edwards, if the brother of Edmund eg Edward was at Capel Farm c 1883 he and Mary were baptising Daniel William Edwards mmn Richards on same day?

Edmund and Rachel also had a son Edward b Dec qtr 1871 baptised 2nd February 1872
Use www.gro.gov.uk
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 02 January 18 17:33 GMT (UK)
Hi all, for my reference Rebecca is the only child of Edmund & Rachel ( if that birth registration 1874  and 1883 baptism is correct) to show with her "Aunt" Rachel Williams in the 1881 census, were their missing pages in Pontypridd area in 1881?

Edward Edwards b 1871/2 reappears in 1891/1901 married to a Margaret ( possibly Lewis)
RG12/4414/109/13 and RG13/5003/114/26 at Glynmynoch Street, Ynysybwl, which appears possibly to be the address Edmund & Rachel were living at the time of the baptism of Rebecca 1883?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Wednesday 03 January 18 22:19 GMT (UK)
Thankyou so much! That makes a lot of sense! I will see how I get on with this. Thankyou so much! Maybe something happened to th parents and that is why she ended up with the aunt?
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 03 January 18 22:34 GMT (UK)
Hi again, it has been a puzzle re Edmund b 1843/4 ie when a Mary Ann Edwards 20 marries an Edward William Evans 25 occ Mason 8th August 1887 Llanwonno she states her father is Edmund Edwards occ Quarry Man, which looks to be the EDMOND Edwards 48 Widower occ Quarry Man with son William 20 and one I cannot locate anything for a Daniel L Edwards 18
Residing Ynysybwl 1891 census
RG12/4414/123/41

And a possible death of a Rachel Edwards March qtr 1891 Pontypridd 11a 228 aged 43?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Thursday 04 January 18 21:39 GMT (UK)
Umm, this is intriguing...I have today requested a copy of the marriage certificate of Thomas Thomas and Rebecca Edwards, hopefully this will shed some light. I will let you know and thankyou so much.
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 04 January 18 22:06 GMT (UK)
OK around about the time of the birth of Rebecca c 1875 we have an Edmund Edwards who married June qtr 1870 Pontypridd 11a 462 and this family in 1871 census:-

Edmond Edwards 27
Mary 28
Mary Ann 3
James 2
William 1
Residing Llanwonno
Census ref RG10/5379/73/11

Have these been checked out?
Keyboard86

The other thing to sort out is why Mary not Rachel, who an Edmund married in 1867?

Also note their were two births of a Daniel Edwards June qtr 1873 Pontypridd one mmn Edwards the other Lewis, one dies Sept qtr 1873 aged 0 Pontypridd?

Should have also pointed out that their was also a death of a Rachel Edwards March qtr 1877 Pontypridd 11a 212 aged 34, but this does not tie in with the baptism of Rebecca in 1883?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Friday 12 January 18 22:12 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Received the marriage cert today and it confirmed that Edmund Edwards Quarryman, is the father. The marriage was witnessed by EdwardEdwards and Sarah Lewis.
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Friday 12 January 18 22:15 GMT (UK)
The date of the marriage is 1892 and Rebecca is listed as being 20.
Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 12 January 18 22:34 GMT (UK)
The date of the marriage is 1892 and Rebecca is listed as being 20.
It is the rest of the family in 1881 that would help ( though Rebecca is the only one I can locate with her Aunt) so aged 20 at marriage, b 1874 per birth registration, baptism 1883?
Keyboard86

Title: Re: Rebecca Thomas nee Edwards Ynysybwl born 1873
Post by: emmag on Sunday 14 January 18 11:50 GMT (UK)
I found Mary Ann Edwards and husband Edward William Evans. Unfortunately had no joy in finding rest of the family in 1881. Maybe like you say there could be pages missing?

Kind regards

Emma