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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: bfr89x on Monday 01 January 18 05:44 GMT (UK)
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My grandfather's brother John Buchanan was born in Balgair, Balfron in October 1865. His parents were John and Mary (nee Muirhead). Last info I have is that he went to Mexico and nothing else. Does anyone have any clues about searching deaths in that part of the world?
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If you can wait for a couple of weeks , my cousin lives in Mexico but is in California at the moment I'll contact her as soon as she is back in Mexico ,and ask is there any way she could find out.
regards Danny
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Danny,
Thank you, that is so kind.
Ron
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Ron, he certainly looks to have died in Mexico in 1950 (22nd Jan, death reported the next day). At this time he was living in Mexico City.
Mexican Civil Records for this period are excellent and include full details on his parents (names confirmed as you have) and his birth place is also correct. He was showing as a widower at this time, wife a Helen Dunn Edmond. Their marriage in 1890 in Kilmarnock?
His age at death given as 84 I think and his occupation simply businessman. He died from heart related issues.
Background info here www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Mexico_Online_Genealogy_Records and also www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1®ion=MEXICO
If you have a subs to A/try, you can view the actual death regitration online.
Monica :)
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Sorry...see this is still here on my screen...forgot to click post ::)
There is a further death reported in the Civil Death Registers in Mexico City for the son of John Buchanan and Nellie Edmond on 23 September 1968.
He was born in Renfrew Scotland and age at death is given as 67. Showing as a retired businessman. He also died of heart related complications. He was a bachelor.
Some travel details for him here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X2KY-M2S
Monica
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Wow Monica, how good is all this and certainly ties right in with the little I have.
The Kilmarnock is probably Kilmaronock which is a small parish in what was west Dunbartonshire where most of my family live, including me for a small part of my life.
I had no idea he had a son and Nellie is a family nickname for Helen, or maybe a Scotland wide name.
You have given me a Guid New Year present and more interesting digging to do - thank you.
Kind regards,
Ron
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The marriage for John and Helen was certainly Kilmarnock in Dunbartonshire (from SP).
Not sure they had any more children than John Jnr? There are many shipping manifests for John Snr travelling back and forth between Canada and Mexico and the UK. He was a timber merchant by trade. One manifest in 1922 has the whole family heading off to Canada from the UK. They show a Glasgow address for their last residence. Maybe this is when they left the UK, or they may have already been resident in Canada? John Jnr is the only child showing with them, aged 21 and a student.
They look to have been resident in Canada for many years as it shows in a number of shipping manifests as their main residendence.
No death for Helen in Scotland so likely she too died outside of Scotland.
Monica
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Monica, this is fascinating, are the shipping manifests readily available to an obvious beginner like I am?
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They are only available to search/view via one of the subscription services such as Ancestry or Find my Past.
Monica
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Have found on a shipping manifest for Helen travelling alone, back to Montreal Canada in 1928. Dates for residence in Canada are given as 1907 - 1925 (should this be 1928?). Home address she gave for Montreal is 275 Regent Avenue. She gave a sister's details back in Pollokshiels as contact in UK.
Monica
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Canada is beginning to make a lot of sense - John had a brother James (Jimmie) who lived in Montreal and was also a timber merchant but why they all travelled around so much is a mystery still to be solved and as I think I am the only surviving relative who is the least bit interested I look forward to many hours of investigation and maybe even frustration!!
Many thanks again Monica,
Ron
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Have found on a shipping manifest for Helen travelling alone, back to Montreal Canada in 1928. Dates for residence in Canada are given as 1907 - 1925 (should this be 1928?). Home address she gave for Montreal is 275 Regent Avenue. She gave a sister's details back in Pollokshiels as contact in UK.
Monica
middle name of "Dunn" - Helen Dunn Buchanan on the 1928 passenger list - sister Mrs Jeanie King,
16 Kenmure Street Pollokshield Glasgow.
Sandra
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Ancestry don't have the death certificate for John Buchanan Snr - they refer to view from Family Search -
same applies to the son John Edmonds Buchanan born 1892 passed away in 1968 - aged 72 years
Sandra
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Border Crossings: From Mexico to U.S., 1895-1964 - Helen Buchanan - born 1866 Dumbartonshire - aged 63 years - going to husband John - Buchanan - 29 July 1929 - Arrival Place Laredo, Texas, USA
Sandra
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Thank you all. There has to be a book in here somewhere but I will take many years to unfuddle my brain to sort this lot out!
Ron
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Another snippet - helps with time -frames - US Border crossing Canada to U.S., 1895-1960 - Helen Buchanan - born 1869 Scotland - aged 45 years - Port of Arrival Detroit, Michigan - April 1914 - also travelling John Edmond Buchnan aged 13 years - husband and father John Buchanan Tabasco Mexico. Had been in the USA 1909 - 1914 -
date of last departure from USA April 1914. Going to rented rooms - 2919 E Grand Blvd - Detroit Michigan.
Sandra
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UK return passenger list - Helen Dunn Buchanan born 1866 - aged 54 years - going to 15 Kenmare Street Glasgow. Arriving 8 December 1920 on the Pretorian
Sandra
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James Buchanan born 1877 and aged 45 years - timber mechant - appears on a Border Crossings: From Mexico to U.S., arriving 14 April 1922 Laredo Texas - brother John Buchanan -
Sandra
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Ancestry don't have the death certificate for John Buchanan Snr - they refer to view from Family Search -
same applies to the son John Edmonds Buchanan born 1892 passed away in 1968 - aged 72 years
Sandra
It is an odd one the reference. If you go through FS, nothing shows for civil deaths for this period of 1950s onwards.
This is the link on a/try for those with access:
https://search.ancestry.mx/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=MEXICOCIVILDEATHS&gss=sfs28_ms_f-5041&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=john&gsfn_x=1&gsfln=buc*&gsln=buc*&gsln_x=0&MSAV=1&uidh=r07
Not suprisingly in Spanish ::)
Monica
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Thank you so much Monica and Sandra, I now know why you ladies have seven stars!
The detail is incredible, as yet I don't have my head round it all but I will get there some day even if I do have to learn Spanish.
Many, many thanks.
Ron'