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Title: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: acon66 on Monday 01 January 18 12:33 GMT (UK)
My second cousin found this photo in a cutlery canteen belonging to a great aunt.....trying to identify cap badge....any help appreciated two great uncles her brothers were in ox an bucks li....then Gloucestershire a d Worcestershire regts respectively
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: MaxD on Monday 01 January 18 22:20 GMT (UK)
You didn't mention QOOH except in the title of your thread but I'd say that both his cap badge and his collar dogs do appear to be those of that regiment and not of any of the others you mentioned.  If there is a possible name one could see if there any records extant.

MaxD
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: acon66 on Tuesday 02 January 18 10:22 GMT (UK)
Yes sorry about that.....iv more or less had it confirmed QOOH
I looking for a Thomas William O'connor or albert edward occonnor
Iv got them both as oxon and bucks but cant find anything fir QOOH..
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: acon66 on Tuesday 02 January 18 10:37 GMT (UK)
This is William he died in 1922 of tb.....i dont think the photo us him when younger....im hoping its younger brother albert.....who was killed in action 25.9.1918.....
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: acon66 on Tuesday 02 January 18 10:42 GMT (UK)
From local paper.....William must have been a tough lad.....
Poor bertie nearly got to the end.....
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: MaxD on Tuesday 02 January 18 16:28 GMT (UK)
Using the newspaper report:

Albert E O'Connor served overseas first in 2 Ox and Bucks LI and then 3 Worcesters.

The only William O'Connor Gloucester Regiment served overseas in 2nd Leinsters, 7th Leinsters, Labour Corps and finally the 17th Gloucesters.  He was invalided out wounded with a Silver War Badge in November 1918.

No QOOH references for either.  If they served in UK with that regiment then there would be no medal information relating to that service.
MaxD
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: John915 on Tuesday 02 January 18 22:49 GMT (UK)
Good evening,

With what the newspaper report says and the fact that the photo shows 3 wound stripes. There is a better than even chance that it is William in the photo.

John915
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: MaxD on Wednesday 03 January 18 09:22 GMT (UK)
I agree with John.  William's final unit was 17th Battalion Gloucesters, a home defence battalion. Edits - See my later post.   His uniform looks new as if, on return from France, he had been re-equipped with a nice new tunic complete with all his hard won badges.  He is wearing a black covered button in memory of (presumably) brother Albert who had died in September so the photo is Sep-Nov 1918.   

If it is Albert in the original photo (and the features are quite different to the man in the late pic), the lack of QOOH references on his medal records simply means he did not serve overseas with them.

MaxD
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: acon66 on Wednesday 03 January 18 14:15 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for time and input. Greatly appreciated.
My cousin is seeing her 90 yr old father next weekend to see if he recognises who it is in 1st picture
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: John915 on Wednesday 03 January 18 15:01 GMT (UK)
Good afternoon,

Two very good sources of info are; www.researchingww1.co.uk/queens-own-oxfordshire-hussars-ww1 . Several more links given on there.

Or the book "The Oxfordshire Hussars in the great war" by Adrian Keith-Falconer. The book includes a list of all casualties including in  most cases where death occured.

Traditionally the Dukes of Marlborough have been the Colonel in Chief and from 1902 Winston was Colonel of the regt. The 1/1st were the first yeomanry/TF  unit to go to the front in sept 1914( courtesy of Winston) and served the whole war there. 2/1st and 3/1st never left England. Their war service is described on one page of the regt'l history.

Notable deaths were Maj Valentine Flemimg, father of Ian Fleming. Capt G Bonham Carter who I believe was Helena Bonham Carter's great uncle.

John915
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: John915 on Wednesday 03 January 18 15:24 GMT (UK)
Back again,

Max, does your source of info on William in the Gloucesters give a date for his transfer to that unit.


The newspaper report says he was in hospital recovering from a serious wound, then being invalided out in the Nov, That doesn't fit with him being in a home service battalion. Unless he was transferred whilst in hosp but why would they do that.

The second photo shows a man who looks relatively fit and well and not someone recovering/recently recovered from a serious wound.

John915
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: MaxD on Wednesday 03 January 18 19:35 GMT (UK)
Can't help feeling that my (very small medicinal) Bucks Fizz at New Year caused my usually befuddled brain to become even more fuddled.  Thank you John for making me look at it all again.

The William I was looking at is the only William O'Connor, 64780, whose medal records (source medal roll) include the Worcestershire Regiment. His final unit was 17th Battalion Worcesters titled as such in France in Sep 1918.  But I too was struck by the healthy look of the second man but three wound stripes seemed to tell their own story (although the newspaper speaks of 11 wounds!).  He is wearing overseas service stripes which came in in 1918 which helps to date the pic.

However (always a however), that William is listed as a Serjeant and the pic has no rank stripes (and if he was a sub sjt he would have removed the GC stripe anyway).

More - the Silver War badge details for that man show service from 1907 and sickness as the cause of invaliding in Nov 18.

All that considered, I am now not sure of the ident of pic 2 as that William.  I don't yet have any other Worcester Regiment (newspaper and poster info) candidate however.

I shall edit my earlier posts and lie down in a darkened room  for a while.

MaxD
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: acon66 on Thursday 04 January 18 08:19 GMT (UK)
To try and clear up any confusion Albert the younger brother was in Worcestershire reg when killed in action. William wounded three times was in Gloucestershire reg. both started out service in oxon and bucks.i wonderd wether Albert could have started in QOOH. Cheers
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: MaxD on Thursday 04 January 18 09:46 GMT (UK)
he confusion is solely mine, my application to be allowed to re-start 2018 is currently being processed.

The frustration is that I find no record for William O'Connor of Ox and Bucks and Gloucestershire Regiments and there should be a medal card at least.

And as said, if Albert started in QOOH but transferred to Ox and Bucks before serving overseas, then no record of QOOH would appear on his medal records.

MaxD
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: John915 on Thursday 04 January 18 10:05 GMT (UK)
Good morning,

Permission to restart 2018 granted Max. Could the QOOH be prewar, many signed up with regular units at start of war believing they wouldn't go as TF. They wouldn't have known that their colonel was going to send them straight in.

I find medal cards confusing at times, 14 and 14/15 stars had regt they went to war in. Other medals had their final regt. Without correct details you sometimes miss them, names were not always what you would assume them to be.

My maternal grandfather and gt uncle's surname was Bennett-Tedham, grandfather was enlisted as Tedham his brother as Bennett. Both started the war in Royal Sussex, my grandfather was transferred at sometime to Northumberlands but his medals, no star, say Queens R.

John915
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: acon66 on Thursday 04 January 18 10:24 GMT (UK)
Iíve got photo of Williams medal card some where. It spelt wrong William t Oconner,not Oconnor
Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: MaxD on Thursday 04 January 18 10:31 GMT (UK)
Would have been nice to know that earlier!

Served in 5th Ox and Bucks and 18th Gloucestershire (medal rolls) starting overseas after 1915.

MaxD

Title: Re: Queens own oxfordshire hussars
Post by: acon66 on Thursday 04 January 18 10:52 GMT (UK)
Yes sorry Iíve got a lot on at moment. Serious multi tasking. Sorry