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Title: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Barrie Green on Tuesday 02 January 18 01:15 GMT (UK)
Trying to find what happened to Arthur James Wallace, son of Robert Smith Wallace and Emma Elizabeth Ives. Lived at one time at Bainham. Married Maria Maud Harvey of Bainham. Any help greatly appreciated.  Barrie Green of New Zealand.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 02 January 18 02:03 GMT (UK)
As a starting point, his birth registration........


1877/10254   Wallace   Arthur James   Emma   Robert Smith

And marriage:

1901/308   Maria Maud   Harvey   Arthur James   Wallace


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 02 January 18 02:09 GMT (UK)
There is a burial for Arthur James WALLACE in Nelson in August 1974, and Archway has a probate, available at Wellington. This Arthur was born about 1902.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 02 January 18 02:18 GMT (UK)
Just building up a 'picture' here Barrie...... :)

Children registered up to 100 year cut off date:

1916/26791   Wallace   Florence Lillian   Maria Maud    Arthur James
            
1901/8467   Wallace   Martin Lewis   Maria Maud    Arthur James
1904/13678   Wallace   Florina Jane   Maria Maud    Arthur James
1906/15155   Wallace   Emma Fanny   Maria Maud    Arthur James
1903/16042   Wallace   Arthur James   Maria Maud    Arthur James
1908/21892   Wallace   David John     Maria Maud    Arthur James
1914/26706   Wallace   Charles Henry   Maria Maud    Arthur James


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 02 January 18 03:00 GMT (UK)
There is this marriage for Maria Maude WALLACE

1927/2338   Maria Maude   Wallace   Henry   Hughes
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 02 January 18 03:04 GMT (UK)
There is this death in 1917

1917/8036   Wallis   Kenolm Arthur   41Y

Later - ignore this - this person was born in Australia.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 02 January 18 03:16 GMT (UK)
There is a divorce case at the Archives

Wallace, Maria Maud (R21955301)   1926 - 1926

Item ID   Agency   Series   Accession   Record group   Box / Item   Sep   Record no.   Part   Alternative no.   Record type
R21955301   AAOO   17997   W5444      4 /      2/26      
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 02 January 18 08:09 GMT (UK)
There is a burial for Arthur James WALLACE in Nelson in August 1974, and Archway has a probate, available at Wellington. This Arthur was born about 1902.


This would appear to be a son of the missing Arthur James WALLACE. See reply #3........

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Janette on Tuesday 02 January 18 08:22 GMT (UK)
There is a divorce case at the Archives

Wallace, Maria Maud (R21955301)   1926 - 1926

Item ID   Agency   Series   Accession   Record group   Box / Item   Sep   Record no.   Part   Alternative no.   Record type
R21955301   AAOO   17997   W5444      4 /      2/26      

Interesting that Arthur is not named in the divorce

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 02 January 18 09:29 GMT (UK)
There are 2 x Arthur James WALLACEs in the 1928 Tasman electoral roll. One at Bainham, a motor driver, who I guess is the son, and one at Inangahua Junction, a labourer.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 02 January 18 20:54 GMT (UK)
There is a divorce case at the Archives

Wallace, Maria Maud (R21955301)   1926 - 1926

Item ID   Agency   Series   Accession   Record group   Box / Item   Sep   Record no.   Part   Alternative no.   Record type
R21955301   AAOO   17997   W5444      4 /      2/26      

Interesting that Arthur is not named in the divorce

Cheers Janette


Mmmm.....that is unusual, is it not?

Here is the direct Archives link:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21955301


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Barrie Green on Tuesday 02 January 18 22:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks folk for taking the time to unravel aspects of Arthur James Wallace. Will try to look at the Divorce Papers in a month or so. Interesting re the Electoral rolls. Will work on this for a day or so. Again ever so many thanks for taking the time during this busy festive season.  Barrie Green
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 02 January 18 23:24 GMT (UK)
Bad news Barrie. There is a 100 year restriction from, in this case, 1926, before you are able to view the divorce records.......


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 02 January 18 23:39 GMT (UK)
If Arthur died in New Zealand, these two deaths are the nearest I can get to a possible registration........


1958/38108   Wallace   Arthur   78Y [Archives show:Linden-Retired civil servant.]

1970/47049   Wallace   Arthur   90Y [Archives show:Tauranga-retired farmer.]


Deaths are not always registered in the person's full name and their age is not necessarily accurate either.


Minniehaha.


Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 03 January 18 00:06 GMT (UK)
If Arthur died in New Zealand, these two deaths are the nearest I can get to a possible registration........

1970/47049   Wallace   Arthur   90Y [Archives show:Tauranga-retired farmer.]

Minniehaha.

^   Arthur WALLACE - d. 1970 @ 90 -- Wrong person :   He was the husband of Elvira Isabella WALLACE (d. 1954)  -  m. 1911 - several children born before "today's date" 1918.  )

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 03 January 18 00:20 GMT (UK)
If Arthur died in New Zealand, these two deaths are the nearest I can get to a possible registration........

1958/38108   Wallace   Arthur   78Y [Archives show:Linden-Retired civil servant.]

Minniehaha.

Arthur WALLACE d. 1958  :  Wrong person :   [Married 1925 -- his wife Annie E. WALLACE was a beneficiary of his Will. ]

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Wednesday 03 January 18 00:50 GMT (UK)
There are a number of Arthur James WALLACE deaths in Australia.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 03 January 18 03:34 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that Lu. Good to have both men conclusively ruled out.

Looks as if we may have to look across the Tasman. I found some death notices for an Arthur James Wallace in Australia but the accompanying information appeared to rule out the New Zealand born man.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 January 18 01:09 GMT (UK)
There are 2 x Arthur James WALLACEs in the 1928 Tasman electoral roll. One at Bainham, a motor driver, who I guess is the son, and one at Inangahua Junction, a labourer.

Thanks folk for taking the time to unravel aspects of Arthur James Wallace.  Interesting re the Electoral rolls. Will work on this for a day or so.

Hi Barrie Green

... firstly just wanted to mention, that caution should be exercised when using info extracted from electoral rolls / local directories, etc.    ;)   That is not to say that these rolls do not have a place (esp. if used in conjunction with other info) but you do need to be aware that because the rolls were published only in the lead-up to general elections (every 3 years), some information may be out-of-date.   It is also important to check for "persons removed from rolls" (using the registration  number allocated to them) - this listing usually follows the supplementary roll(s) for the particular electorate.

As to Arthur James WALLACE senior (b. 1903), my guess is that he "departed the scene" well before 1928
Edited :    Sorry, my error, "(b. 1903)" should not have appeared in conjunction with  Arthur James WALLACE senior -  who was of course born in. 1877.   :-[

Incidentally, the 1928 info above ^ comes from the Motueka electoral roll (Tasman is the Province / Region).
[**   Explanation of this listing, to follow. ]

On further checking of earlier Motueka rolls, it can be seen that in 1919,  Arthur James WALLACE is a farmer residing at Bainham (along with his wife Maria Maude).

Again, same listing on 1922 Motueka roll.  However, this time - using his registration number 4911 - I checked the "Removals from main and supplementary rolls"  which showed that # 4911 had been removed since the last roll (supplementary) closed on 18 October 1922.

Motueka electoral roll for 1925 :

WALLACE - Maria Maude - married*  /  Arthur James - motor driver / Martin Lewis - farmer
... all residing at  Bonnie Doon, Bainham.

[*   Provision was made for "changes of names / addresses / occupations etc." on the rolls but people did not always take advantage of making those alterations.   The 1925 election was also the first in which Arthur junior was eligible to vote. ]

**  1928 - Tasman - Motueka electoral roll :

I believe that the  " 2 x Arthur James WALLACE" listings numbered 7216 and 7217, are for the same person.
Removed from that roll at 19 October 1928, the listing for # 7217 (AJW - Labourer at Inangahua).

Edited to add :  1931 Motueka roll shows Arthur James WALLACE at Bainham - motor driver :

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Thursday 04 January 18 01:40 GMT (UK)
"As to Arthur James WALLACE senior (b. 1903), my guess is that he "departed the scene" well before 1928. " The senior Arthur James was born in 1877, Lu - junior was born 1903. It is also possible that the removal from the 1928 roll was for Arthur James senior.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 January 18 02:07 GMT (UK)
"As to Arthur James WALLACE senior (b. 1903), my guess is that he "departed the scene" well before 1928. " The senior Arthur James was born in 1877, Lu - junior was born 1903. It is also possible that the removal from the 1928 roll was for Arthur James senior.

Well yes  ... BUT ... where was Arthur James WALLACE senior in 1925 ??

Why ... if it was Arthur James "senior" on that 1928 roll ... was he removed from 1928 roll ??

Why do you think Arthur James "senior" might have suddenly reappeared in 1928 and just as quickly, disappeared  ???

   ~   Lu  ;D
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Thursday 04 January 18 02:13 GMT (UK)
Could Arthur James the senior have been in prison?
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Thursday 04 January 18 02:30 GMT (UK)
I've checked the Police Gazette indexes for 1924 - 1928, and released prisoners in 1927 and 1928. No Arthur James.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 January 18 03:22 GMT (UK)
"As to Arthur James WALLACE senior (b. 1903), my guess is that he "departed the scene" well before 1928. " The senior Arthur James was born in 1877, Lu - junior was born 1903. It is also possible that the removal from the 1928 roll was for Arthur James senior.

My error  :-[  John - thanks for the correction   :):   Re:  Arthur James WALLACE senior (b. 1903) --  "(b. 1903)"  should not have appeared - A J WALLACE senior was of course born in 1877.

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 04 January 18 03:25 GMT (UK)
It would appear that Arthur James may have dropped the use of his first Christian name to be known just as James WALLACE..........

[See page 1 of his war file.]

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22015288&digital=yes


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 January 18 03:34 GMT (UK)
Obviously that is the wife of Arthur James WALLACE, remarrying in 1927.

Have scoured the newspapers of the day - found no mention of A J WALLACE (or his wife).   He didn't appear to say, have debts;  he wasn't being sought by his wife / family;   no apparent scandal ... etc ??

And the 1926 divorce ... nothing mentioned in the newspapers ... or Court Lists etc. ??

*  Maybe Arthur and wife had a separation agreement .... and the later divorce passed quietly through the Court process ?

   ~   Lu
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 January 18 03:37 GMT (UK)
That's a good find Minniehaha.   ;)

And he died at Nelson in 1955 - aged 78.

   ~  Lu

Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Thursday 04 January 18 03:43 GMT (UK)
Congratulations, Minniehaha, a great find.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 04 January 18 03:47 GMT (UK)
Part quote........

"Obviously that is the wife of Arthur James WALLACE, remarrying in 1927".


Eh??

Thank you John.  :D

Two death possibilities [now edited, see below]......

1942/25782   Wallace   James   66Y

1955/31847   Wallace   James   78Y

Later: Thanks Lu.

Minniehaha
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Johnf04 on Thursday 04 January 18 03:51 GMT (UK)
It's unfortunate that Nelson newspapers online run out in 1922.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 04 January 18 03:53 GMT (UK)
There is this war snippet in 1916.......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19161018.2.40.30?query=arthur%20wallace%20bainham

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 04 January 18 03:54 GMT (UK)
This looks to be his burial >

http://www.tasman.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/cemetery-records-search/?uid=08439

James WALLIS
[sic]

77 years - buried 12 January 1955

No headstone as at 2008

    ~  Lu

Added:  Yes, same man as shown on NZBDM - death listed as 1955/ WALLACE - James - 78 years
= date of death is 9 January 1955 :
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 04 January 18 10:48 GMT (UK)
A short item about James Wallace's war injuries. Also mention of his mother...........

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19161028.2.15?query=james%20wallace


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Barrie Green on Friday 05 January 18 01:56 GMT (UK)
Amazing what skilled folk can do with Libraries, Newspapers, Cemetery notes and inspiration. Thank you all for such great help. Will check the Nelson Library January 1955 papers when down there in March plus obtain his death certificate in the meantime. Think he dropped Arthur from his name to lessen any confusion with his son born in 1903. When the real picture emerges I will enter the data on Roots Chat. Again grateful thanks. Would be great to know his contribution to the named Wallace Road near Bainham. Barrie.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 05 January 18 02:46 GMT (UK)
Part quote:

"Would be great to know his contribution to the named Wallace Road near Bainham. Barrie".

The obituary [1912] of his father.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NEM19120809.2.14?query=robert%20wallace

An old established family.........


Minniehaha.

Post script:

Make sure you send for a printout Barrie. Cheaper & may contain more information than a certificate. Can also be e-mailed to you.  :)
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Barrie Green on Friday 05 January 18 03:36 GMT (UK)
Seems as if wet weather results in fast replies. Thanks Minniehaha. I had Robert's Obituary.  My wife also reminded me of the cheapest way to purchase a death certificate and she is pleased you back her up. Robert was the sister of my great grandmother Isabella Barrie Smith who married Edward Green of Nelson, hence the interest.  Barrie.  :) ;D
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 05 January 18 04:11 GMT (UK)
"My wife also reminded me of the cheapest way to purchase a death certificate and she is pleased you back her up.."

Women must stick together Barrie..........  ;D  ;D  ;D


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Motueka Margaret on Tuesday 09 January 18 06:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Barrie,
I have sent through a personal message. I hope you got it. regards, Margaret
Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: Barrie Green on Monday 22 January 18 21:19 GMT (UK)
Hi folks - with all the great help you have given me in my search for Arthur James Wallace a positive outcome has evolved. His death certificate states he, James Wallace, died in the Nelson Public Hospital on 9 January 1955 from Cardiac thombrosis. He was from Bainham, aged 78 years, a retired saw doctor being buried at Rototai Cemetery, Takaha, on the 12 January 1955. Maud, his wife, was stated to be aged 74 years. Five of their original seven children were alive. Again many thanks for your great help.
Barrie Green. :) :) :)











Title: Re: Arthur James Wallace
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 22 January 18 23:25 GMT (UK)
An excellent result Barrie and thank you for letting us know. Pleased to have been part of the research journey......


Minniehaha.  :)