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Title: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Motueka Margaret on Wednesday 03 January 18 08:09 GMT (UK)
William Henry Rogers born 1881 Spitalfield, Middlesex, UK Married 1906 Thames NZ Elizabeth Annie West. In 1914- living at Okoroire, 1928 William - Storeman at Maungaturoto, 1957 - they are living in Tauranga.  My query is - did William & Elizabeth have a family?
William Henry's parents are both first cousins of my Grandfather.
Hoping someone can help me. Kind regards, Margaret.
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 03 January 18 08:46 GMT (UK)
Here is the burial record for both William and Elizabeth

http://www.tauranga.govt.nz/council/services/cemeteries/cemeteries-search/cemeteries-detail/tctl/523_?plotid=PRESBYTERIAN*B3565

http://www.tauranga.govt.nz/council/services/cemeteries/cemeteries-search/cemeteries-detail/tctl/523_?plotid=PRESBYTERIAN*B2530

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 03 January 18 08:48 GMT (UK)
Looking on NZ BDM's I don't see any obvious births for them

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Motueka Margaret on Wednesday 03 January 18 09:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Jeanette,
Thank you so much for site of the cemetery. I have saved a photo of the Headstone. No, it doesn't look like there were any children.  Is the cemetery in Tauranga or Thames do you know?  Also there is a Will for both of them through Archive Auckland. Perhaps I should purchase a copy - especially William as he died after Elizabeth - would that give me clues?  regards, Margaret
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 03 January 18 17:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Margaret,

Tauranga is the answer.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Motueka Margaret on Wednesday 03 January 18 23:05 GMT (UK)
Thanks, minniehaha,  I was just checking as on Ancestry it said it was 'Totara', Thames Valley. regards, Margaret
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 03 January 18 23:09 GMT (UK)
Thanks, minniehaha,  I was just checking as on Ancestry it said it was 'Totara', Thames Valley. regards, Margaret

I do wish Ancestry would review and put right their cemeteries  they make it so hard to work out.

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 03 January 18 23:30 GMT (UK)
Thanks, minniehaha,  I was just checking as on Ancestry it said it was 'Totara', Thames Valley. regards, Margaret

Just looked, shows the Registration Place was Tauranga.   There was a Death Notice put in the paper.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Motueka Margaret on Wednesday 03 January 18 23:41 GMT (UK)
That's exciting KHP. Have you seen the wording of the death notice? I would love to know please. regards, Margaret
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 03 January 18 23:41 GMT (UK)
Thanks, minniehaha,  I was just checking as on Ancestry it said it was 'Totara', Thames Valley. regards, Margaret

There were actually two listings for Elizabeth Annie ROGERS ("NZ Cemetery Records" @ Ancestry")
and if you look at the page which says "Totara, Thames Valley" it is actually headed  "Burial Records - Tauranga NZ - 1881-1992" :   ;)

   ~  Lu

Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Motueka Margaret on Wednesday 03 January 18 23:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lucy. regards, Margaret
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 03 January 18 23:51 GMT (UK)
That's exciting KHP. Have you seen the wording of the death notice? I would love to know please. regards, Margaret

No, I haven't sighted the Death Notice, just a wee mention in one of my resources. :)   It can be viewed at the major libraries, or you could email the National Library at Wellington, clicking on the "Ask a Librarian" link and ask for a copy of the death notice that appeared in the NZ Herald.

https://natlib.govt.nz/librarians

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 03 January 18 23:55 GMT (UK)
Another way to get the Notice is through the Funeral Directors .... wonder who the informant was.

The Funeral Director was Watney Siburn & Sons.

Janette, are they still operating?


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Beg Clonrode... on Thursday 04 January 18 00:00 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Motueka Margaret
...there is a Will for both of them through Archive Auckland

Hello...

Here is a scan of the Will for Elizabeth Annie ROGERS

If you've not already, you will need to register with FamilySearch to view the image. Registration is free.

No children mentioned. Lots of nieces.

New Zealand, Archives New Zealand Probate Records, 1843-1998
Auckland Court
Probate records 1959 P2376/59-P2435/59
Image 511 of 535

https://tinyurl.com/yd4a4jto (https://tinyurl.com/yd4a4jto)

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Here is the Will of William Henry ROGERS

Film # 104652038
Image 283 of 527

https://tinyurl.com/y7b3avgp (https://tinyurl.com/y7b3avgp)

Regards
Beg
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Motueka Margaret on Thursday 04 January 18 00:35 GMT (UK)
Hi KHP and Beg,
I really appreciate your help. Thanks Beg, I have downloaded both Wills.  Thanks KHP I will look up the Death Notices with the help you have given me.  Much Appreciated. regards, Margaret
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Janette on Thursday 04 January 18 04:33 GMT (UK)
Another way to get the Notice is through the Funeral Directors .... wonder who the informant was.

The Funeral Director was Watney Siburn & Sons.

Janette, are they still operating?


Cheers
KHP

Hi KHP,yes they are still in business and usually very helpful,maybe Elizabeth died in Auckland for Sibuns to be involved.I notice on the cemetery records for both William and Elizabeth JONES AND COMPANY FUNERAL SERVICES are listed as the FD.

Here is the email for Sibuns

https://www.fdanz.co.nz/fdanz-funeral-directors

Scroll down to Sibuns.

If you copy and paste the cemetery record to your email it helps get the correct information,

Cheers Janette

Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 04 January 18 04:56 GMT (UK)
Thanks Janette, Watney Sibun was for William.  Perhaps they used two FD's :-\


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 04 January 18 05:03 GMT (UK)
Ahh, this explains why Watney Sibun was involved:

Undertaker's Records

Name : ROGERS William Henry
Date : 30 Mar 1965
Undertaker : W Sibun & Sons
Place of residence : Roskill Masonic Village
Cemetery : Tauranga

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Janette on Thursday 04 January 18 05:21 GMT (UK)
It looks like the Tauranga cemetery record is incorrect

Plot Id:    PRESBYTERIAN*B3565
Warrant Id:    B3565
Warrant Type:    BURIAL
Ashes:    
First name:    WILLIAM HENRY
Surname:    ROGERS
Date of Birth:    
Age:    84
Date of Death:    01/04/1965
Burial/Cremation Date:    01 APR 1965
Funeral Director/Family Representative:    JONES AND COMPANY FUNERAL SERVICES
Cemetery:    PRESBYTERIAN
Block:    SECTION 5A
Row:    4
Plot Location:    56

On narrowing the date of death it come out as

1965/38295   Rogers    William Henry    84Y exact date is 30/3/1965

I was wondering how they managed to bury him the same day as he died if he was transported from Auckland to Tauranga ;D ;D

Maybe Jones and Company can supply death notices

https://www.fdanz.co.nz/fdanz-funeral-directors

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Janette on Thursday 04 January 18 05:29 GMT (UK)
here is the cemetery

Tauranga Presbyterian Cemetery
61 Eighteenth Avenue
Tauranga,
 Bay Of Plenty
New Zealand

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 04 January 18 05:34 GMT (UK)
Quote
Maybe Jones and Company can supply death notices

Perhaps Margaret could mention the typo of death date at same time.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: William Henry Rogers, Thames
Post by: Motueka Margaret on Thursday 04 January 18 06:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much KHP and Janette for all this information.  I am overwhelmed by all the help I have received from you all. I will be letting our  Motueka  Family History Group know at our next meeting.  Much appreciated. regards, Margaret