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Evelyn Ivy Bunting-Born 1882 unsure where-died 1964 auckland, married John Charles Clayton 1901
Unable to find a source that verifies the place she was born. Wanganui is listed on some family trees and parents Edward John Bunting and Eliza Brown.There is some indication she was adopted but no records to support this. Checked inward passenger lists incase it was out of NZ but no luck there.
Is there anywhere to lookup adoptions in Wanganui?
thanks for any help.
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Hello eevee
I have some information re: Evelyn Ivy and her "adoption" which I will add to this thread, later today. Still have a way to go with sifting through and checking records.
~ Lu
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Thankyou Lu,
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Hi eevee,
You may already have the wills of Edward John & Eliza Emma Bunting but if not.......
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-893C-MCDY?i=556&cc=1865481
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L93C-MHV4?i=344&cc=1865481
May not be relevant but Evelyn is only mentioned in the will of Eliza.
Remarriage?:
1926/9867 Laura Brokenshire Biddick Edward John Bunting
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Miniehaha, I didn't have these. Yes there was a second marriage for Edward John after the death of Eliza.These wills do tie in other family members
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Hi eevee
As you've already suggested, Evelyn Ivy BUNTING was the "adopted" daughter of Eliza Emma (nee BROWN) and her husband Edward John BUNTING who married in 1877.
Firstly, as background a note on Eliza's family :
There are quite a few "trees" online covering Eliza Emma's BROWN family (John Tattersell BROWN and Catherine SEDCOLE) who married in Kent, ENG in 1845 where Eliza Emma was born in 1849 at Dover. The family arrived in Wellington NZ sometime after early 1858 and prior to April 1861 when their son Alfred Sedcole BROWN was born. Can't find an exact time or the ship on which they arrived, but John BROWN appears to have been sponsored by a "J. SEDCOLE and James Geo. COX" of (presumably) Wellington.
As there is no apparent birth registration for Evelyn Ivy BUNTING on the NZ BDM Birth index, it seems she perhaps had not been formally adopted ?
However a search of the NZ Birth index (@ ancestry) revealed an 1883 registration for >
"Eveline Ivy SEDCOLE". There was no registration place given but you should check the NZ Birth microfiche records at a (larger) NZ library for that.
And, NZ BDM online has the following Birth registration >
1883 / 6730 - SEDCOLE - Eveline Ivy
Mother: Sushannah * Father : N/R (name not recorded)
[Date of birth (as deduced from the online listing) is = 12 March 1883 ]
[* The mother's forename is spelled incorrectly - should read as "Susannah" ]
~ Lu continues next > >
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SEDCOLE + BROWN + BUNTING :
Obviously it seemed there might be a connection between Catherine (nee SEDCOLE) BROWN (Eliza BUNTING's mother) and the "J. SEDCOLE" who had sponsored the BROWN family's journery to NZ.
As it transpired, "J. SEDCOLE" was Captain John SEDCOLE a mariner, who appears to have arrived in NZ (more specifically at Wellington), sometime around 1853; a brother to Eliza's mother, Catherine.
In 1857 John SEDCOLE married Elizabeth Ann NASH at St. Peters Church, Wellington.
Children of the couple were >
SEDCOLE
1858 - no given name
1859 - Clara Ann
1861 - Elizabeth
1863 - James Charles
1865 - Susannah *
1867 - Margaret West
1870 - Matthew Montgomery
[* It seems most likely than not, that this Susannah SEDCOLE b. 1865, was the mother of Eveline Ivy born 1883. So Susannah SEDCOLE was the niece of Catherine BROWN (Eliza Emma's mother) ... and also the cousin of Eliza Emma. ]
A further note: Captain John SEDCOLE died at his Wellington home on 18 November 1871.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WI18711120.2.7
Probate record for John SEDCOLE :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99N4-QJXP?i=342&cc=1865481
His widow, Elizabeth Ann, remarried to James SHENNEN 1872 and moved her family to Foxton.
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In 1887, Susannah SEDCOLE married Thomas Albert CHAMBERLAIN.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18871220.2.6
Susannah was known variously as "Susie" / "Susan" / "Susannah" :
The couple had at least 10 children.
CHAMBERLAIN
1888 - Alfred Francis
1890 - Thomas Richard
1893 } - Olive Margaret Clara
1893 } - Violet Mona Martha - died 1894 @ 7 months
1895 - Charles Sedcole
1898 - Lawrence Henry - died aged 11 mths
1900 - Walter Henry
1901 - JosephWilliam
1903 - Edith Maud
1910 - Albert Islington
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[Unconnected to Eveline Ivy SEDCOLE but just for interests' sake - Thomas Albert CHAMBERLAIN served in WW1. Can't currently access his Army file at Archives to give you the link but it does state that he was born at Southampton, ENG. 27 March 1866. ]
~ Lu continues >
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Susannah (SEDCOLE ) CHAMBERLAIN :
Funeral Notice for Mrs Susan CHAMBERLAIN :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19441218.2.5
Burial at Karori Cemetery, Wellington :
https://wellington.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemeteries-search
also Thomas Albert CHAMBERLAIN - buried 13 January 1850 (and several of their children also.)
~ Lu
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Hi eevee
Will refrain from adding lots of detail here because if you already have access to the trees online, then you'll see that a lot of work has already been done. ;)
In the case of the BROWN family (of Eliza Emma) a book seems to have been written ? ;)
The National Library of NZ have a copy - and if you google you'll find out where else it can be found.
"The BROWNs from Broadstairs" : John T. BROWN and family come to New Zealand :
Date : 2011 from Wanganui
by Colin GIBBARD / Marion GIBBARD / Laraine SOLE
242 pages -- University of Waikato
~ Lu
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I found this "tree" after I'd discovered the birth of "Eveline Ivy SEDCOLE" :
https://www.geni.com/people/William-Sedcole-Capt/6000000012977556041
If you click on the links, it should take you to the BROWN family as well (I think ?).
Incidentally, didn't mention Capt. William Joseph SEDCOLE earlier - but he and wife Margaret (WEST) were the parents of Capt. John SEDCOLE and Catherine BROWN (and others). They both died at Wellington.
[NOTE: At the moment a lot of Wellington-specific info re: early settlers is not able to be accessed because of the Rootsweb site being closed until further notice. That's why I'm pointing you in the direction of the online trees as you may well find further details there. ;)]
I couldn't find the burials for William Joseph and Margaret SEDCOLE - maybe they are in a church grave yard ?
~ Lu
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William Joseph SEDCOLE - died Wellington, NZ - 28 September 1880
Margaret (nee WEST) SEDCOLE - died Wellington - 12 March 1867.
Both were "of Karori" where Wellington's largest cemetery is located - but there doesn't seem to be a record for them (that I can see ?)
~ Lu
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The following is the Obituary for Elizabeth MALCOLM who was the older sister of Susannah SEDCOLE.
Just adding it for interests' sake as it gives a wee bit of background of the family.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HC19341029.2.22
~ Lu
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. Yes there was a second marriage for Edward John after the death of Eliza.These wills do tie in other family members
When I looked earlier at the Will of Edward John BUNTING ahead of the link being posted here, I thought there was something rather "odd" in respect of "his" children named in the Will. ???
The "daughter" Kathleen Mary BUNTING seems to have been born as "Kathleen Mary BIDDICK - 1911 reg. at Auckland" where her mother was residing. [Fair enough, she's probably taken on her stepfather's name. ]
There is a death though for the "son" Edward John BUNTING" - which shows he was (apparently) born 10 October 1918 ??? [Edward John BUNTING senior was still married to Eliza Emma in 1918 ?]
Edward John BUNTING (snr) - Will was dated 17 August 1926 and he'd married Laura B. BIDDICK a few weeks before on 26 July 1926. Eliza had died on 12 April 1926.
Seems a lot of action happening in several months in 1926. ???
Just simply curious about the dates .... and a "son" who shared his "father's" name being born in 1918 ?
~ Lu
PS : Meant to add that link below gives info on Joseph Hooper BIDDICK and Laura Brokenshire BIDDICK (nee HOOPER ) :
https://www.myheritage.com/names/joseph_biddick
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An added extra to replies #10 & #11...........
Obituaries of William Sedcole [1880], late of Cuba street…..
Buried @ Karori. His wife died in 1867 and as Lu has suggested, perhaps both were buried in a churchyard cemetery.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM18800928.2.8?query=william%20sedcole
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WC18800930.2.10?query=william%20sedcole
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM18801008.2.50?query=william%20sedcole
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT18800930.2.4?query=william%20sedcole
Death of his wife [1867]:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WI18670314.2.7?query=william%20sedcole
Minniehaha.
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Thanks for all the info. I will work through it.
The trees crossed when Kathleen married the son of her half sister Evelyn, -Basil.
This indicated to me that either Evelyn was not the daughter of Edward or Kathleen was not the daughter of Edward as the relationship was too close. Edward was still alive when this marriage took place. Edward had two families at the same time which must have known about each other.
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A little more about Laura.......
The birth of her daughter in 1911 as mentioned by Lu.
1926/10296 Bunting Kathleen Mary Laura Brokenshire Edward John
Death:
1937/14915 Bunting Laura Brokenshire 68Y
Then there was mention of Edward Bunting's son, Edward John born 1918. Not impossible but in view of her age, was Laura his mother?
Minniehaha.
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Then there was mention of Edward Bunting's son, Edward John born 1918. Not impossible but in view of her age, was Laura his mother?
Minniehaha.
Just to clarify, the questions I posed earlier, have nothing whatever to do with Laura.
~ Lu
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The trees crossed when Kathleen married the son of her half sister Evelyn, -Basil.
This indicated to me that either Evelyn was not the daughter of Edward or Kathleen was not the daughter of Edward as the relationship was too close. Edward was still alive when this marriage took place. Edward had two families at the same time which must have known about each other.
You've probably already seen this ?
Comment from Kathleen ... (about visiting Wanganui) ...
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19320227.2.186
~ Lu
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Thanks I didn't have that particular one.
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Interesting minniehaha, never thought to question whether Laura was the mother of her children.
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Hello eevee,
Thought I would just throw that possible conundrum into the mix....... ;D ;D
Minniehaha.
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According to this tree, Laura was considerably younger than is indicated by her New Zealand death record.......
http://st-issey-folk.co.uk/opc/getperson.php?personID=I8493&tree=St_Issey_Folk
Minniehaha.
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FREE BMD
BIRTHS - MAR - 1878
HOOPER - Laura Brokenshire
Reg: St Columb * [* Co. of Cornwall ]
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The trees crossed when Kathleen married the son of her half sister Evelyn, -Basil.
This indicated to me that either Evelyn was not the daughter of Edward or Kathleen was not the daughter of Edward as the relationship was too close. Edward was still alive when this marriage took place. Edward had two families at the same time which must have known about each other.
You've probably already seen this ?
Comment from Kathleen ... (about visiting Wanganui) ...
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19320227.2.186
~ Lu
And there is more on this sad story........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTR19300522.2.34?query=basil%20clayton
Minniehaha.
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Decree nisi [1937]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19370626.2.156?query=basil%20albert%20clayton
Another marriage failure, 1944 [on the part of Basil]....with "children" mentioned from first marriage.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19440526.2.90?query=basil%20albert%20clayton
Minniehaha.
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Laura BIDDICK seems to have arrived in New Zealand in 1908 along with her son Edgar, aged 3 years. (Several listings - immigration and passenger lists.)
Mrs BIDDICK aged 30 - housewife
Master BIDDICK - aged 3 Years (- one list has him as "Master E." )
Destined for New Plymouth - Arrived "Rimutaka" - 13 March 1908
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And this is the marriage of Edgar (who doesn't seem to have known his mother had married Mr. BUNTING) ???. (Edgar's brother - J. H. (presumably Joseph Hooper ) BIDDICK is also part of proceedings. ???
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19290701.2.152.8
~ Lu
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Laura's son Joseph, travelled to NZ the following year. (Several lists.)
1909 - departed London 29 May 1909 per "Athenic"
Jos. BIDDICK - child aged between 1 and 12 years
And on following list > BIDDICK - Master J. - 10 years - English - destined for Wanganui.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-61TS-KN5?i=56&cc=1609792
~ Lu
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The "daughter" Kathleen Mary BUNTING seems to have been born as "Kathleen Mary BIDDICK - 1911 reg. at Auckland" where her mother was residing. [Fair enough, she's probably taken on her stepfather's name. ]
NZ Death
1985 / 35385 - DIBBLE - Kathleen Mary - d.o.b. 14 October 1911
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Kathleen Mary DIBBLE 74 Female 16/05/1985
Buried: 20/05/1985 Type: Burial
Funeral Director: Pellows Funeral Services Last Address: Unspecified
Location: Hamilton Park Cemetery
MAPLE-11-43
Minniehaha.
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Probate:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16620775
Minniehaha.
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A couple of family trees, one stating that Evelyn Ivy was born in Foxton......
https://www.myheritage.com/names/basil_clayton
https://www.geni.com/people/Evelyn-Bunting/6000000004370213774
Minniehaha.
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Thankyou both for all this information. Appreciate your help.