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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: mark foot on Wednesday 10 January 18 09:54 GMT (UK)
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My grandmother Margaret Higgins eas born in 1902 and we have a number of photo's of Arthur and Lily Higgins. My father has written cousins and for Arthur 2nd lieutenant in a military picture. There are no pictures after say WW1 and I can not recall them being mentioned. They look a few years older than Margaret. Any help identifying them and their family. I assume they were originally in the Sherborne area of Dorset.Perhaps Arthur's military career took him away or was he killed and Lily might have married and moved away. The Higgins family had a few unmarried mother's and that might be the case here as I can't find a photo with any parents.
Very many thanks for all the help I have received with my grandmother's family.
Mark
Mark
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If you can scan and post the photo of Arthur in uniform it might identify his regiment and so help you look for more information.
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Noting that Margaret was born in Yeovil Registration District in 1902, as per your previous posts, this might be Lily:
Births, June qtr 1880
Wincanton Registration District vol 5c, page 488
Higgins, Lily
No Mother's maiden name on the GRO Index search.
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Many thanks and this would likely be in the right area however I would guess from the photograph that this is not her. The 3 of them are children in the photograph with Margaret as the youngest. Many thanks again for your help. Mark
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wonder if Lily was Lilian Mary Brookman Higgins -she was a cousin of margaret - and was a daughter of William Higgins and Ellen Jane- they also had a son Alfred William and a daughter Kathleen Muriel
Who was Margaret's mother?
Suz
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That does sound very likely. Margaret's mother was Bessie Higgins who lived for sometime with her father George at Trent Mill. William is the William, I believe, who moved to Neath and became chief constable. Although a number of pictures show them at Trent it would suggest that they hadn't moved by them or they were taken when on holidays back in Dorset. Very many thanks. Mark
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If you look through census I think you will find Margaret stayed at one time with her uncle William (consatble) and his wife Ellen Jane and children Lilian May Brockman, Alfred William, and Kathleen Muriel.
Lilian May Brockman died 1958 in Swansea
Probate
Lilian May Brockman Higgins (known as Lilian May) spinster of 20 Hadland terrace West Cross Swansea died 15 Sept 1958 Administration London 16 Dec to Alfred William Higgins, civil servant
Effects £2191 0s 3d
Lilian May was Margaret's cousin
Lilian May's father William was younger brother of Bessie (Margaret's mother)
Suz
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You are a star. Thank you very much. It was interesting ti see that Alfred administered as it shows that he must have survived WW1.
Thank you again, Mark
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It is Arthur you were looking for -not Alfred???
Suz
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Alfred William Higgins (cousin of Margaret) according to an online tree married 1921 in Carmarthan and then died in Poole dist 1965 -so it seems he retruned to the Dorset area
Suz
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So sorry it is Alfred. I have a stinking cold and have done everything wrong today! Mark
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Probate Alfred William Higgins 134 Dorchester Rd Poole died 10 Nov 1965 at the General Hospital Poole. Probate Winchester 31 dec to National Provisional Bank Effects £3676
Suz
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That's very interesting when I was young I visited a house in Poole that I believed belong to an aunt Wina and that might have been from the same family. I wonder if you have Alfred's wife's name to hand? Thank you again.
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a few more details for you
Marriage
Reg Dec qtr 1921 Carmathanshire
Alfred William Higgins
Florence Rowena James
Probate
Florence Rowena Higgins of Mavern House Nursing Home Corsham Rd Shaw Melksham Wiltshire died 27 Dec 1985 Probate Bristol 2 April not exceeding £40000
Alfred William and Florence Rowena had a son thomas Neil Jeremy Higgins b 1922
He married in 1947 in Wandsworth district
He died in Wiltshire
Death reg Thomas Neil Jeremy Higgins born 6 Aug 1922 died Aug 2004 age 82 Chippenham Wiltshire
It looks like Florence Rowena moved to Wiltshire sometime after husband died
It seems a strong possibility (to me)that Florence Rowena was "Aunt Wina"
EDITED
Suz
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Florence and Ellen both used as first name.... is that likely to be correct? Poss Ellen shortened version of Florence. You have been incredibly helpful, thank you.
My dad has dementia and extremely unlikely to remember.
Mark
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Big apologies - I have no idea why I keep putting Ellen Rowena -when ALL of the records state Florence Rowena!!!!
I think I must have been trying to remember the son's wifes name (Ellen) and just confused myself
"More haste less speed" springs to mind
Regards
Suz
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This is probably totally irrelevant but I have "family tree" outlining my Dorset links in the Stalbridge area. It is very much a tree done from memory and family reminisence by an aged cousin of my father and who is no longer contactable. In this there is a marriage of an Olive Coombes to Arthur Higgins in 1918. Olive was the daughter of a Jenny and Harry Coombes but I cannot make the precise link to her parents, whether it was via George Parsons or her mother's West side. I have no details of Arthur Higginns other than a birth date of perhaps Dec 1880 and and a death in 1970.
Apologies in advance if this a complete red herring, but the names and dates seem to fit.
I will try and contact my brother who may have a bit more detail.
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Looks like I've boobed! Mistook Olive for Lily. Apologies
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My grandfather's sister Florence Ellen Foot married George Scott of Stalbridge. There might be a link to Parsons through marriage and if you want any Scott info then just please ask. A big thank you for all your help.
Mark
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Have you any information on William' wife. Did she normally go under the name of Ellen or Jane. I know she died in 1914, but I don't know when and where she was born and married or her maiden name? Many thanks for any help.
Mark
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I wonder if you can tell me where and when Kathleen Muriel was born. I remember her being known as Muriel. Many thanks Mark
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I wonder if there is info to hand that shows The birth dates and where the children were born and lived? Also where did they live and where did Kathleen Muriel die and when?
The Stalbridge Parsons info (related to Scott's through marriage of a sister of my grandfather. William Scott 1820-1896 married Mary Parsons b 1836 Stalbridge. Her father was George Parsons born 1794.
Many thanks Mark
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Looks like I've boobed! Mistook Olive for Lily. Apologies
This is probably totally irrelevant but I have "family tree" outlining my Dorset links in the Stalbridge area. It is very much a tree done from memory and family reminisence by an aged cousin of my father and who is no longer contactable. In this there is a marriage of an Olive Coombes to Arthur Higgins in 1918. Olive was the daughter of a Jenny and Harry Coombes but I cannot make the precise link to her parents, whether it was via George Parsons or her mother's West side. I have no details of Arthur Higginns other than a birth date of perhaps Dec 1880 and and a death in 1970.
Apologies in advance if this a complete red herring, but the names and dates seem to fit.
I will try and contact my brother who may have a bit more detail.
I cant find a marriage for Arthur Higgins to a Lily/lillian in 1918 but I have found this marriage
Mar qtr 1918 Sturminster district
Arthur G Higgins
Isabel O Coombs
5a 457
is it possible Isabel's middle name was Olive???
and this is the marriage you are looking for??
Suz
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A little more information -if relevant
so I found Arthur G Higgins marriage to Isabel O Coombs Mar 1918
there are these deaths
Arthur G Higgins age 86 death reg Dec qtr 1957 Bridport reg dist Dorset 6a 528
Isabel Olive Higgins age 89 Born 6 May 1890 death reg Dec qtr 1979 N Dorset 23 0554
this looks like Isabel Olive in 1901
Stalbridge
Harry Coobs Head M 35 Carpenter Gillingham Dorset
Eliza J wife 37 Glove machinist Stalbridge
ISABEL O daughter 10 Stalbridge
Harry R son 7 Stalbridge
RG13 1969 63 8
Marriage of Isabel Olives parents
Harry Coombs
Eliza Jane Parsons
Jun qtr 1889
Sturminster reg district
and there is a burial
Eliza Jane Higgins
burial 29 April 1947
age 82
Stalbridge
Hope this helps
Suz
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Have you any information on William' wife. Did she normally go under the name of Ellen or Jane. I know she died in 1914, but I don't know when and where she was born and married or her maiden name? Many thanks for any help.
Mark
William Higgins married Ellen Jane Brookman
Marriage reg Sept qtr 1894 Cardiff reg dist 11a 405
they had 3 children Lillian May Brockman Higgins Alfred William Higgins and Kathleen Muriel Higgins (she was b neath Glamorgan)
BaptismWeston All Saints Somerset
Ellen Jane Brookman
baptised 20 Dec 1874
parents Alfred henry brookman & Sarah Jane
father's occ Inspector Gas Works
This looks like Ellen Jane Brookman with her parents
1881Gas Works White Lion St Tenby Pembroke
Alfred H Brookman Head M 29 manager of Gas Works Widscombe Bath
Sarah Jane wife 27 Weston Somerset
Ellen jane daughter Weson
Alice maud daughter 5 Carmarthan
Alfred H son 2 Tenby
Frederick G 3 mths Tenby
RG11 5409 30 32
by 1891 there were 2 more children Charles H age 7 and Hester E age 2 both b Tenby
will look for more on Kathleen Murial
Suz
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I wonder if you can tell me where and when Kathleen Muriel was born. I remember her being known as Muriel. Many thanks Mark
Kathleen Muriel Higgins Birth reg Jun qtr 1905 Neath 11a 1015
Marriage reg
Dec qtr 1938 Swansea
Kathleen M Higgins
Frank C Phillips
11a 1899
Death reg
Kathleen Muriel Phillips born 7 May 1905
death age 77 mar 1983 Ledbury reg district
29 0630
Suz
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Many thanks and Ledbury ties up with Much Marcle, where I am certain they lived. This joins up with info regarding relations living at Much Marcle. Many thanks Mark