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Title: Where are they ?
Post by: Brickwall Demolisher on Saturday 13 January 18 21:51 GMT (UK)
 1841 Census HO107 / Piece 1057 / Folio 48 / Page 25. Henry Sadler b 1836
 1851 Census HO107 / Piece 1572 / Folio 67 / Page 27. Henry Sadler b 1836
                                                                                 Ellen Sadler  b 1843
 1861 Census RG 09 /  Piece 47 / Folio 92 / Page 33.      Both Missing
 1871 Census  GBC / 1871 / 0772 /0049.                       Both Missing
 1881 Census  RG 11 / Piece 738 / Folio 140 / Page 41.   Both Missing
 1891 Census  RG 12 / Piece 525 / Folio 140 / Page         Both Missing
 1901 Census  RG 13 / Schedule 169 / Page 24   JANE SADLER b 1858   only
 1911 Census. RG 14 /                                                JANE SADLER. b 1858 

Thank you all for looking,

My asking for help if possible please is on the above of HENRY SADLER b 1836 & ELLEN SADLER b 1843. They just seem to disappear after their last census entries's. Have not been able to find marriage certificate or a death certificate for either. JANE SADLER b 1858 seems to be the last surviving member of the family and dies in 1926. Any help appreciated, thank you all,

Regards JUST J

Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 13 January 18 21:59 GMT (UK)
You have posted on the beginners board.  We should not have to look up each census entry to get info about the family.

You have not included any details of where they were born or where they were living in each census.  No childrens details either
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: amondg on Saturday 13 January 18 22:19 GMT (UK)
Ellen Sadler full age father Joseph Sadler Carpenter married St. George the Martyr Southwark
Richard Dorrington, publican, full age, father Richard William Dorrington, publican
Witnesses John Mason(signed) and Louisa Spires (made her mark)
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 13 January 18 22:46 GMT (UK)
This could be Henry's marriage

Marriages Sep 1861   
Austin    Mary Ann        Lambeth    1d   490   
SADLER    Henry        Lambeth    1d   490

Eldest child's birth reg.

SADLER, ANN       AUSTIN     
GRO Reference: 1861  S Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 375

In 1871 this family are living at Cornwall Street, Lambeth, London & Surrey

Henry and Mary with six children.  Henry's occupation is Bricklayer and born in Brixton.

Piece number   683
Folio   54
Page   3
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 13 January 18 22:56 GMT (UK)
Okay so in the 1841 census we have Henry living with his parents Joseph and Jane and siblilngs Charles & Charlotte.  Abode is Queens Head Court, St Mary Lambeth, Lambeth

Joseph is a carpenter as stated on Ellen's marriage details provided by Amondg
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: heywood on Saturday 13 January 18 22:58 GMT (UK)
And the bit that puzzled me, Jane referred to as b 1858, is the daughter of Charles.
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: amondg on Saturday 13 January 18 22:59 GMT (UK)
Henry who married Mary Ann Austin is possibly the son of Thomas and Harriet Sadler as he names a daughter Harriet.
ADDED
Transcription only on ancestry need to see the original for fathers names.

There is a Henry Sadler age 11 sentenced to 1 month hard labour 15 November 1850 at Newington for stealing pork
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 13 January 18 23:53 GMT (UK)
Might this be his death
Henry Sadler death registered Jun qtr 1918 aged 81 Godstone RD, Surrey
Volume:   2a
Page:   326
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 16 January 18 00:58 GMT (UK)

Hi,

amondg is right about the Henry that marries Mary Ann AUSTIN. I can see the image at Ancestry "London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931", Henry's father is Thomas AUSTIN, bricklayer.

Regards,
Daisy
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 16 January 18 06:00 GMT (UK)

amondg is right about the Henry that marries Mary Ann AUSTIN.

I can see the image at Ancestry "London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931", Henry's father is Thomas AUSTIN, bricklayer.


Daisy - Did you mix up surname?

marriage cert. gives
Henry's father Thomas SADLER, bricklayer
Mary Ann's father Robert AUSTIN d'cd labourer
Wintesses May Ann Austin and Js. L Ga(?)ter

Harriet Lydia  Sadler bp Sep 19th 1866 St Matthew Brixham
Father Henry, bricklayer mother Mary Ann abode 6 Windmill St

William Sadler bp Oct 30th 1864
Father Henry, bricklayer mother Mary Ann abode Windmill St

also same place, same parents, Emma address 23 Cornwall St

Ellen Sadler bp 27 May 1868

Emma Sadler bp 13 Apr 1870
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Brickwall Demolisher on Tuesday 16 January 18 08:32 GMT (UK)
1841 Census HO107 / Piece 1057 / Folio 48 / Page 25. Henry Sadler b 1836
 1851 Census HO107 / Piece 1572 / Folio 67 / Page 27. Henry Sadler b 1836
                                                                                 Ellen Sadler  b 1843
 1861 Census RG 09 /  Piece 47 / Folio 92 / Page 33.      Both Missing
 1871 Census  GBC / 1871 / 0772 /0049.                       Both Missing
 1881 Census  RG 11 / Piece 738 / Folio 140 / Page 41.   Both Missing
 1891 Census  RG 12 / Piece 525 / Folio 140 / Page         Both Missing
 1901 Census  RG 13 / Schedule 169 / Page 24   JANE SADLER b 1858   only
 1911 Census. RG 14 /                                                JANE SADLER. b 1858 

Thank you all for looking,

My asking for help if possible please is on the above of HENRY SADLER b 1836 & ELLEN SADLER b 1843. They just seem to disappear after their last census entries's. Have not been able to find marriage certificate or a death certificate for either. JANE SADLER b 1858 seems to be the last surviving member of the family and dies in 1926. Any help appreciated, thank you all,

Regards JUST J

Many, Many thanks everyone,

Apologies for not answering to you all sooner. Hindering me has been my post stroke /  neuropathic pain condition. Again you wonderful people you have come up brilliantly. The ELLEN SADLER b 1843 ,father JOSEPH SADLER, Carpenter. A marriage certificate of CHARLOTTE SADLER / ALBERT WENTZELL. Father of CHARLOTTE's occupation is Carpenter.
   ELLEN  marries RICHARD BEST DORRINGTON  1867.
1871 Census, they have son WILLIAM CHARLES b.1868 age 2.
RICHARD BEST DORRINGTON dies 1874. Aged 33.  On marrying RICHARD they live in Greenwich area.
   I assume?? ELLEN DORRINGTON (SADLER) remarries??. JACOB (ROWAN ?/ ROMAN?) SPINK. 1879 . We have also WILLIAM JACOB SPINK b 1882 ??
  There is another marriage for JACOB in 1896 but have found no d.c on ELLEN ?. Have been looking also for what happened to WILLIAM CHARLES (DORRINGTON) b 1868, again he just seems to disappear after the 1871 Census.
 Any help connecting these greatly appreciated.

Many thanks again, all of you,
Best REGARDS, JUST J
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 16 January 18 09:11 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Brickwall Demolisher

 ELLEN  marries RICHARD BEST DORRINGTON  1867.

1871 Census, they have son WILLIAM CHARLES b.1868 age 2.

RICHARD BEST DORRINGTON dies 1874. Aged 33. 

Have been looking also for what happened to WILLIAM CHARLES (DORRINGTON) b 1868, again he just seems to disappear after the 1871 Census.
 

He married  Florence Marcott 19 Jan 1893 St Paul, Greenwich
Father Richard dec’d  both father & son occ. are publicans
Her father Charles

1901 RG13; Piece: 537; Folio: 33; Page: 58
William C Dorrington 30 Greenwich Kent Beer Retailer
Florence 33 Vauxhall
William R 6
Percy E 5 Greenwich

Added

Percy Ernest Dorrington Born Jan 31 '96 
baptism 4 Mar 1896 Greenwich St Alphege, Greenwich, England
Father:   William Charles Dorrington licensed victualler
Mother:   Florence , abode 52 Royal Hill

Percy Ernest Dorrington, Electrician
Enlistment Age:   19
Document Year:   1915
Residence Place:   72 Clde Sport??
Regimental Number:   32171
Number of Images:   22
Form Title:   Attestation
William Charles Dorrington Father next of Kin address Sportsmans Hotel Seasalter Kent Whitstable

Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 16 January 18 09:32 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Brickwall Demolisher

ELLEN  marries RICHARD BEST DORRINGTON  1867
       
I assume?? ELLEN DORRINGTON (SADLER) remarries??. JACOB (ROWAN ?/ ROMAN?) SPINK. 1879 .

Ellen Sadler's husband Richard Dorrington doesn't have a middle name on marriage cert.

his death

Richard Best Dorrington late of 6 Royal Hill Greenwich
Death Date:   12 Mar 1874
Probate Date:   9 Jul 1874 widow Ellen

1861 RG 9; Piece: 399; Folio: 121; Page: 3
13 Royal Hill Greenwich
Richard B Dorrington age 21 father William beer retailer
mother Ann sisters Elizabeth & Annie

11 Sep 1867 St George the Martyr, Southwark
Ellen SADLER father Joseph SADLER carpenter marries
Richard Dorrington publican father Richard William Dorrington publican

25 Dec 1879 St Nicholas, Deptford, Greenwich, England
Ellen Dorrington 28 widow her father named as
John WHITE Pensioned Police Officer
married Jacob Roman Spink his father William

Quote from: Brickwall Demolisher

 
 We have also WILLIAM JACOB SPINK b 1882 ??

there's this birth entry on GRO indexes mmn PALMER

SPINK, WILLIAM  JACOB 
1882  J Quarter in GREENWICH  Volume 01D  Page 1039

he appears to have died age 2

William Jacob Spink
1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Greenwich
Volume:   1d Page:   612

his burial date
29 November 1884
location  Greenwich
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 16 January 18 11:07 GMT (UK)
Found Ellen Dorrington and son on 1881 and 1891 census

1881c RG11; Piece: 721; Folio: 22; Page: 3;
6 Royal Hill Greenwich
Ellen Donington   widow 34 Lambeth,  beer seller
William Donington     12 Greenwich

1891c RG12; Piece: 508; Folio: 119; Page: 10
52 Royal Hill Greenwich
Ellen Dorrington widow 59 unknown, Beer keeper
Charles 22 Greenwich, assistant

added 

she appears to have gained some years between censuses 1881 -1891  ???

Her possible death entry

Mar 1899 St. Geo. East   1c   279
Dorrington   Ellen   age 67   
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Brickwall Demolisher on Tuesday 16 January 18 11:09 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Brickwall Demolisher

 ELLEN  marries RICHARD BEST DORRINGTON  1867.

1871 Census, they have son WILLIAM CHARLES b.1868 age 2.

RICHARD BEST DORRINGTON dies 1874. Aged 33. 

Have been looking also for what happened to WILLIAM CHARLES (DORRINGTON) b 1868, again he just seems to disappear after the 1871 Census.
 

He married  Florence Marcott 19 Jan 1893 St Paul, Greenwich
Father Richard dec’d  both father & son occ. are publicans
Her father Charles

1901 RG13; Piece: 537; Folio: 33; Page: 58
William C Dorrington 30 Greenwich Kent Beer Retailer
Florence 33 Vauxhall
William R 6
Percy E 5 Greenwich

Added

Percy Ernest Dorrington Born Jan 31 '96 
baptism 4 Mar 1896 Greenwich St Alphege, Greenwich, England
Father:   William Charles Dorrington licensed victualler
Mother:   Florence , abode 52 Royal Hill

Percy Ernest Dorrington, Electrician
Enlistment Age:   19
Document Year:   1915
Residence Place:   72 Clde Sport??
Regimental Number:   32171
Number of Images:   22
Form Title:   Attestation
William Charles Dorrington Father next of Kin address Sportsmans Hotel Seasalter Kent Whitstable

Thanks Ladyhawke,
       Most appreciate the info, and putting me in the right direction.
                   Regards JUST J
     
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 16 January 18 11:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks Ladyhawk,
Most appreciate the info, and putting me in the right direction.           

You are very welcome  :)
Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 16 January 18 19:40 GMT (UK)

Ladyhawk,

Quote
amondg is right about the Henry that marries Mary Ann AUSTIN.

I can see the image at Ancestry "London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931", Henry's father is Thomas AUSTIN, bricklayer.

Quote
Daisy - Did you mix up surname?

Thank you for pointing out my mistake  :-[ :)


So we still don't know what happened to Henry, son of Joseph?

Daisy
Title: Re: Where are they ? ELLEN DORRINGTON ??
Post by: Brickwall Demolisher on Thursday 18 January 18 10:58 GMT (UK)
Thanks Ladyhawk,
Most appreciate the info, and putting me in the right direction.           

You are very welcome  :)

Thank you peep' s for looking,
       Can anyone provide more info on the marriage of the ELLEN DORRINGTON, who she marries, age perhaps , abode ???.  JUN Qtr. 1893 Vol 1d Page 1566 GREENWICH.  Marry's one of the following JAMES PARKER, ARTHUR CHARLES OAKESHOTT, JAMES SPOONER. Many thanks all, JUST J.
Title: Re: Where are they ? ELLEN DORRINGTON ??
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 18 January 18 12:59 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Brickwall Demolisher link=topic=785707.msg6411643#msg6411643


 Can anyone provide more info on the marriage of the ELLEN DORRINGTON, who she marries, age perhaps , abode ???.  JUN Qtr. 1893 Vol 1d Page 1566 GREENWICH.

 Marry's one of the following
 JAMES PARKER, ARTHUR CHARLES OAKESHOTT, JAMES SPOONER.

She married James BAKER 44, single railway guard father Charles Retired Police Sgt.
on 16th April 1893 at St Paul’s Greenwich

Ellen DORRINGTON age 44 widow, 52 Royal Hill Greenwich
father James SADLER dec’d carpenter
One witness was Florence Dorrington


Title: Re: Where are they ?
Post by: Brickwall Demolisher on Thursday 18 January 18 13:19 GMT (UK)
Hi LadyH,
     Many thanks for your assistance, her age is slightly altered, but that has always been a woman's prerogative. Never discuss / challenge their age. Her father, I have it as JOSEPH not JAMES SADLER. Many thanks again LadyH
    Regards JUST J