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Title: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Thursday 18 January 18 08:02 GMT (UK)
Hi

My ancestor Mary Balls was born in Stansfield in 1769 dr of John Balls and Margaret, whose wedding I dont seem able to find. Any help would be much appreciated.Many thanks

David
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: Daisypetal on Friday 19 January 18 01:44 GMT (UK)

Hi,

A possible marriage about 2 miles away from Stansfield, Suffolk,


St Mary, Hawkedon, Suffolk
13 Feb 1759 
John BALLS
Margaret DUTTON


There is a birth of,

Margaret DULLON
Baptism Place:  Hawkedon, Suffolk
Baptism Date:  09 Feb 1734
Parents:  Thomas & Margaret 


Both of these are transcriptions and I can't see an image to see which surname is correct. They could be different people but it seems a big coincidence.


There is also this possible birth for a Margaret DUTTON,

Margret DUTTON
Stanstead, Suffolk
Baptism date:  20 Dec 1736
Parents:  John & Barbara


Regards,
Daisy
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: solidrock on Friday 19 January 18 08:38 GMT (UK)
Can't find a marriage for John and Margaret yet but found 2 other children...

Sarah Balls. baptised 15 Apr 1770, Stansfield, Suffolk.
Margaret Balls. baptised 21 Jul 1766, Stansfield, Suffolk.
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 08:58 GMT (UK)
Hi Daisy and Solidrock

Many thanks for that very useful information>my only concer about the marriage  of John and Margaret is that there is 7 years between their marriage in Hawkedon and the birth of thei first child in Stansfield, I wonder if there is any sign of children being born in that parish betwen 1759 and 1766.

Also regarding the Margaret DULLON and Margaret DUTTON, is there any sign of a marriage in Hawkedon or any other births that might indicate a mistake in transcription.

Kidn Regards

David :D :D
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: solidrock on Friday 19 January 18 09:13 GMT (UK)
Hi David,
I can't find any earlier births before 1766 so I assume they married around that time. Found another child that died in 1772..

Philemon Balls. burial 01 Jan 1772, Stansfield, Suffolk. father John, mother Margaret.

Can't find his birth yet.
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 09:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Solidrock

There is another tree on Ancestry that shows 2 children born 1762 and 1764, but I cannot access to see their names or place of birth, si o it is definitely the riht couple.

Kind Regard

David
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 09:28 GMT (UK)

Hi Solidrock and daisy

Please see screenshot from family tree on Ancestry, they dont give his birth but do his parents, I dont know wher they got the batism from as there is no Souce Citations, but the parents might give a clue as to where he wass born John Balls and Susanna Flack


Birth
1738
1738

(AGE)

Baptism
15 Feb 1738 • Great Bradley, Suffolk, England
1 Source
1738

0

Birth of Sister Susanna Balls(1742–)
1742 • Great Bradley, Suffolk, England
1742

4

Birth of Brother Simon Balls(1744–)
1744 • Great Bradley, Suffolk, England
1744

5

Death of Mother Susanna Flack(–1746)
May 1746 • Great Bradley, Suffolk, England
1746

8

Marriage
1759 • Hawkedon, Suffolk, England
Margaret Dutton (1739–)
1759

21

Birth of Son John Balls(1762–)
1 Aug 1762 • Stansfield, Suffolk
1762

24

Birth of Son James Balls(1764–)
1764 • Stansfield, Suffolk
1764

25

Birth of Daughter Margaret Balls(1766–1805)
1766 • STANSFIELD, SUFFOLK
1766

28

Birth of Daughter Sarah Balls(1770–)
1770 • Stansfield Suffolk
1770

32

Death of Daughter Margaret Balls(1766–1805)
abt 1805
1805

67

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John Balls
1711–

Susanna Flack
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1739–

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James Balls 1764–
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Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: solidrock on Friday 19 January 18 09:28 GMT (UK)
I have'nt got an Ancestry sub either

There is..

James Balls. baptised 11 Mar 1764, Sudbury, Suffolk.  father John, mother Margaret
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: solidrock on Friday 19 January 18 09:40 GMT (UK)
John Balls. Burial 14 Jul 1772, Stansfield Parish, Suffolk.  father John,  mother Margaret.

The James is the one I gave you born in Sudbury.
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: solidrock on Friday 19 January 18 09:46 GMT (UK)
John Balls. baptised 15 Feb 1738, Great Bradley, Suffolk. father John,  mother Susan.

John Balls. m  Margaret Dutton. 13 Feb 1759, Suffolk, England.
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 09:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Solidrock

Thats perfect s I have found a wedding of John Balls and Susan Flack 3/8/1738 at Carlton cum willingham that is very close to Great Bradley.

Kind Regards

David :D :D
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 19 January 18 09:58 GMT (UK)
From Suffolk Baptism Index on FindMyPast:

Ann Balls bp.28/12/1760 Stansfield, dau. of John and Margaret.

Annette
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 10:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Annette

many thanks for that

Kind Regards

David
 :D
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 19 January 18 10:09 GMT (UK)
Another one: Philip bp.6/11/1773 Stansfield

Annette
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 11:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Annette

Tet are coming fast and furious thank, could uou kidly check for me and see if ther is a birt of another of my family Sarah Moltin in Sansfield c1775.

Kind Regards

David
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 19 January 18 17:02 GMT (UK)
Moltin?    This doesn't seem to be a valid surname as far as I can see - no baptisms in Suffolk at all for this name, nor can I see any Sarah Moltin marrying in Suffolk??

Annette
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 17:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Annette

Sorry should have been Molton although the leter version of the name is Moulton. There is a christening on an Ancestry Tree showing Sarah Chistened at Stansfield in 1575.

Many thanks

David
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 19 January 18 17:25 GMT (UK)
Assuming you mean 1775 which is what you initially said.   No Sarah Molton/Moulton baptised in Stansfield.

Annette
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 17:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Annette

It should have been 1175 but I am sure that you lookd for a few years either side.

Many thanks

David
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: solidrock on Friday 19 January 18 23:36 GMT (UK)
This maybe it..

Sarah Moulton. baptised 13 Oct 1775, St Peter, Sudbury, Suffolk.  father John,  mother Mary.
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Friday 19 January 18 23:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Solidrock

Thats perfect it is close to where she married and the date is right.

Many thanks

David :D :D
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: solidrock on Saturday 20 January 18 01:11 GMT (UK)
This maybe it..

Sarah Moulton. baptised 13 Oct 1775, St Peter, Sudbury, Suffolk.  father John,  mother Mary.

Possible sibling for Sarah...

Mary Moulton. baptised 23 Jul 1769, Sudbury-St Peter, Suffolk.  father John,  mother Mary.

Possible marriage for John and Mary...

John Moulton.  m  Mary Sheldrake. 07 Aug 1768, Suffolk.
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: avidt on Saturday 20 January 18 09:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Solidrock

Thanks for that, the Sarah you mentioned baptised in 1775 died 2 years later, but John an Mary had another daughter that year who they also named Sarah who must be my one. I have seen the wedding on John Moutlon and Mary Sheldrake, which would be just right, but I need to find the parish they married in. I am thinking about contacting the Suffolk FHS and asking for their advice on that entry.

Kind Regards

David :D
Title: Re: Looking for a wedding of John Balls and Margaret c1767
Post by: Daisypetal on Saturday 20 January 18 21:49 GMT (UK)

Hi,

Does this help?

Suffolk Marriage Index Transcription
 
Marriage date:  07 Aug 1768
Marriage place:  Sudbury St Peter, Suffolk
Mary SHELDRAKE
John MOULTON



Regarding this Margaret I found earlier, I can't see any other DULLONs in the area so I think she is a DUTTON,

Margaret DULLON
Baptism Place:  Hawkedon, Suffolk
Baptism Date:  09 Feb 1734
Parents:  Thomas & Margaret 
 
So I wonder which Margaret married John BALLS?


Have you seen this?

https://www.suffolkarchives.co.uk/collections/getrecord/GB174_FL625_7_3_1_1

I'm not a member so I don't know if it has any further info.



I found this DUTTON marriage,

Sarah DUTTON
St Mary, Hawkedon
25 Oct 1763
Spouse:  Thomas WORLIDGE
Spouse parish:  Stansfield, Suffolk

I wonder if it is connected?


Daisy