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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Mancunian194 on Thursday 18 January 18 20:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find out about an Edith Mildred Taylor who died 11th June 1965, aged 53, and was buried on 14th June 1965 in plot C5 417, Dundonald Cemetery, Belfast. This plot is also the grave for Helen Drysdale Peffers (17/03/1876 - 08/03/1948) who married Gilbert Dempster Taylor (born 8th March 1874 in Haddington).
I know about Helen & Gilbert but Edith is new to me. FindMyPast has a birth in 1913 for an Edith M Taylor but I don't know if this is the same one as I don't have full access to FindMyPast.
Can anyone help me understand who Edith is and why Edith & Helen are sharing a grave?
Regards
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You can look her up on Civil Reg
Birth results for edith taylor from 1913 to 1913
Displaying results 1 - 2 of 2.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ld8/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ld9/
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Hi,
Thanks for that; didn't know of that site. Now need to work out the relationship between Helen and Edith!
Regards
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Hi,
Are you able to transcribe the place of birth address (16 ??eaph Street) in the second link?
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Iveagh St.
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Is she possibly their daughter,
I see they are in Cumberland in 1911,with one son
and is that your Gilbert's death in Carlisle in 1937,
Helens probate was granted many years after she died to her son,
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Possibly a niece? If not a child. Or a daughter in law
Supposedly in Ireland a graveplots belonged to whoever retained ownership of the house
What do you know about Helen and Gilberts son Ernest? Did he marry?
The death certificate is available for a small fee of the GRONI search, and will tell you who the informant is and place Edith lived as well her marital status, which could help a lot!
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Supposedly in Ireland a graveplots belonged to whoever retained ownership of the house
Not always true for churchyards and certainly council cemeteries, such as Dundonald, will have rules in place to determine ownership of plots after last registered owner is deceased.
Taylor Helen Drysdale of 78 Donegall Park Avenue Belfast widow died 8 March 1948 Administration Belfast 25 September to Ernest Dempster Taylor architect. Effects £275 7s. 5d.
Not probated until 1956.
Which leads to this record solving the mystery of Edith Mildred Taylor :)
Belfast News-Letter, 7 Aug.1944: HELEN’S BAY WEDDING Taylor—Milliken The wedding of Mr. Ernest Dempster Taylor, A.R.1.8.A., only son of the late Mr. Gilbert D. Taylor, of Stanwlx, Carlisle, and of Mrs. Taylor, Bannside, Cregagh, and Miss Edith Mildred Milliken, elder daughter of Mr. and Mrs. S. E. Milliken, Roseville, Craigavad, took place on Saturday at Helen’s Bay Presbyterian ...
Milliken Samuel Edmund of Roseville Craigavad county Down secretary died 25 August 1947 at College Park East Belfast Administration Belfast 29 October to Ethel Winifred Sheals widow. Effects £1068 0s. 2d.
Belfast News-Letter, 9 Mar.1948: TAYLOR— March 8. 1948. Helen Drysdale. widow Gilbert Dempster Taylor (of Carlisle), and loved mother of Ernest Dempster Taylor, Roseville, Cralgavad. House and funeral private.
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A bit more :)
Belfast News-Letter, 1 Sept.1938: MISS ETHEL MILLIKEN, L.R.A.M., L.T.C.L. ROSEVILLE, CRAIGAVAD. Has resumed tuitions in PIANOFORTE, and may be interviewed daily, 4—6 p.m, (Saturday, 10 —1 p.m.) from _th September at the Studio, 54, WELLINGTON PLACE. Preparations for all examinations...
Belfast News-Letter. 25 Mar.1941: ... eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. H. T. Sheals. Arden, Balmoral, Belfast, and Ethel W. Milliken, L.R.A.M.. L.T.C.L., younger daughter of Mr. and Mrs. S. E. Milliken, Roseville. Craigavad.
Belfast News-Letter, 28 Aug.1947: LATE MR. S. E. MILLIKEN The funeral took place yesterday afternoon from Roseville, Craigavad, to Dundonald Cemetery of Mr. Samuel Edmund Milllken. The chief mourners were Messrs ...
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Wow. Thanks for solving it for me! I had found the newspaper article about Helen's funeral but hadn't found the one about Ernest getting married and also got side tracked by a previous answer about Edith Mildred Taylor!
BTW, what does the address "Roseville, Craigavad" mean? Craigavad seems to be a district of Belfast; is Roseville a road? Belfast street directories or Google maps didn't show anything - that I could find!
Thanks again for your efforts.
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Roseville would be the name of the house. Samuel Milliken is listed in 1910 Belfast directory-
Milliken, Samuel, Roseville
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1910VD.htm
also 1918-
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1918VD.htm
Edith's brother-in-law killed WWII and gives his widow living at "35 Rosevale (Roseville), Craigavad" when she remarried in 1949-
http://barryniblock.co.uk/world-war-one-list-of-dead/names-listed-alphabetically-by-surname/shanks-to-sinclair/sheals-h/
Suspect these records are not quite up to date-
http://www.bizdb.co.uk/company/jefferson-fullerton-limited-NI000296/
https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/NI000296-jefferson-fullerton-limited
daughter's baptism online-
https://www.fmpci.com/fortwilliam-park/baptismal-register?page=30
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From Belfast cemetery database
Samuel Edmund Milliken "5 College Park East Roseville Craigavad Co Down"
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8087.5085
but 5 College Park East is in centre of Belfast :-\
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I'm still having difficulty finding out where & when Ernest Dempster Taylor died. I've tried the usual sources (ancestry, FindMyPast, Irish Geneology, etc) but no joy.
Can anyone help?
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He must have died after 25 Sept.1956 (date he was granted probate for mother's Will).
I'm still having difficulty finding out where & when Ernest Dempster Taylor died. I've tried the usual sources (ancestry, FindMyPast, Irish Geneology, etc) but no joy.
If he died in Northern Ireland- N.I. deaths only go up to 1921 on Irish Genealogy. PRONI's database continues much later and includes death 50 year ago and older, although only last name & first name will be listed in index.
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Indenture for Roseville mentioning some of the relevant names (sorry, 'ShrinkLink' wasn't working for me when I tried):
https://estatecreate-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/site_10364/control_557253/vhuoajevvc?response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3D%22Assignment%20%26%20Conveyance%20%28copy%29%20-%2020.01.1995.pdf%22&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIBTGJZEGNHOU3BEA&Expires=1516525017&Signature=qpJHaEd0iS5dZsLyEj3Gd5Cjqzw%3D
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Ernest Dempster Taylor his birth name was Ernest Thomas according to the GRO
Perhaps looking under that name for his death might bring a result
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Hi Gaffy,
Link doesn't work; show some HTHL and mentions timeout. If you can explain the steps you used perhaps I can follow them?
Regards
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Hi Gaffy,
Link doesn't work; show some HTHL and mentions timeout. If you can explain the steps you used perhaps I can follow them?
Regards
How odd, it works for me, alternatively if you google (with the quotation marks and all) "ernest dempster taylor" you should get a hit back for a pdf under the title Assignment & Conveyance - estatecreate, that is what I linked to.
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Thanks Gaffy; found it.
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Still unable to find out when Ernest Dempster Taylor died. I've tried Ernest Thomas Taylor as well but all the documents I've seen use 'Dempster' rather than 'Taylor'.
One clue to the year he died might be from the indenture document found by Gaffy which has 1985 as the year a lease was reassigned (from Ernest Dempster Taylor). [That's my, probably wrong, interpretation of the document!]