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Hi there. I Am trying to find a marriage record of Patrick Redmond and Anne Redmond nee Flynn who gave birth to a son in Duncormick Co Wexford. In January 1894. It appears they had a second son William a bit less than Nine months later. Thanks in advance.
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What was the son's name in 1894?
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Sorry I forgot to say. . John Redmond. .
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C reg.... Birth results for Redmond of Wexford from 1891 to 1899
Displaying results 1 - 88 of 88. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01le1/
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Hello,
Where is the family in 1901?
Heywood
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Found it in the meantime
John, wonder if the i in Flinn was deliberate.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02269/1852776.pdf
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Thanks. I cannot find the family in the census 1901 sorry. I know johns brother William is alive in 1914 as he is listed as johns benificery in his will. John died of wounds in Flanders on 28 October 1914. At this time William is living in clonroche Wexford.
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Thanks. I cannot find the family in the census 1901 sorry. I know johns brother William is alive in 1914 as he is listed as johns benificery in his will. John died of wounds in Flanders on 28 October 1914. At this time William is living in clonroche Wexford.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Bannow/Bannow_More/1800916/
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There is a Michael Redmond born to the same couple in 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02524/1935463.pdf
1901 census has a MIchael and William Redmond as nephews to Patrick and Mary Neill
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Rathaspick/Murntown_Lower/1801725/
Heywood
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How do you know Patrick and Anne are John and William their parents?
How do you know what age William is?
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Ellen Redmond 1890 mother Ann Flynn
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02439/1907696.pdf
She died in 1892
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How do you know what age William is?
Patrick Redmond and Anne Redmond nee Flynn gave birth to a son John in Duncormick Co Wexford. In January 1894.
It appears they had a second son William a bit less than Nine months later.
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How do you know what age William is?
Patrick Redmond and Anne Redmond nee Flynn gave birth to a son John in Duncormick Co Wexford. In January 1894.
It appears they had a second son William a bit less than Nine months later.
Can't find the birth, that's why I asked.
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Just going to post the same questions for the same reason :)
Ages aren’t always correct.
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How do you know what age William is?
Patrick Redmond and Anne Redmond nee Flynn gave birth to a son John in Duncormick Co Wexford. In January 1894.
It appears they had a second son William a bit less than Nine months later.
Can't find the birth, that's why I asked.
I agree.... Maybe the poster has facts we don't have!
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There is a Michael Redmond born to the same couple in 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02524/1935463.pdf
1901 census has a MIchael and William Redmond as nephews to Patrick and Mary Neill
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Rathaspick/Murntown_Lower/1801725/
Heywood
Michael Redmond dies 1905
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Redmonds in Forrestalstown 1911
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01le2/
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Redmonds in Forrestalstown 1911
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01le2/
All single....
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Marriage of Mary Redmond of Duncormick with father Patrick to Patrick Neill
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1894/10573/5852206.pdf
As I wrote earlier Michael and William Redmond are shown as nephews to Patrick and Mary :-\
Death of Patrick Redmond 1896 informant wife Anne
Death of Anne Redmond 1899 informant daughter Mary Neill
Most of those show Murrintown.
The ages of Ann/Mary are questionable and of course the ‘nephew’ status.
Additionally, they may not be the family anyway.
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Thanks. For all your help. This has helped me loads. John was born in January 1894 and William is born just over 8 months later. In August 1894. In Duncormick. I knew from John Redmond's military records that his last address was rahaspick. But I didn't know how to find out where. Now I know he had relatives living there. This is great thanks.
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Thanks. For all your help. This has helped me loads. John was born in January 1894 and William is born just over 8 months later. In August 1894. In Duncormick.
You haven't said how you know.
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I can’t see a birth for William for 1894. Where do you get the month and year from?
It is odd that there is no John in Rathaspick.
There is, as has been mentioned, a William and John in Duncormick with parents Mark and Elizabeth.
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Nothing extra to learn just his name and rank etc on CWWG
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I know johns brother William is alive in 1914 as he is listed as johns benificery in his will.
John died of wounds in Flanders on 28 October 1914. At this time William is living in clonroche Wexford.
John Redmond
Birth Place: Duncormick, Co. Wexford
Residence: Raathaspick, Co. Wexford
Death Date: 28 Oct 1914
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Wexford
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Irish Regiment
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: 4422
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
John Redmond
Death Date: 28 Oct 1914
Will Processing Date: 11 Sep 1916
War Office Number: E/140396/1
Service Number: 4422
Ireland, Wills of Irish Soldiers Who Died in the British Army, 1897-1922
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All that's known for certain so far family wise is that John Redmond had a brother William.
http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/RedmondJ_E140396.pdf
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Earlier thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=548624.msg4020444#msg4020444
Mark and Elizabeth Redmond and family explained.
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Earlier thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=548624.msg4020444#msg4020444
Mark and Elizabeth Redmond and family explained.
Crikey.....that is a bit rich wasting people's time looking for stuff that was found ages ago!!!!!
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Stav01,
So has all this work just been to confirm that there were two John Redmonds, one of whom survived and he is your relative and one died who wasn’t your relative.
Yet we still haven’t found the one who died, other than his birth nor have we found the birth of his brother William. :-\
Heywood
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Ah but .... this thread says he is your relative
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=786241
Would you just explain so that we don’t feel as though all this was in vain. ::)
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I think Stav01 is trying to prove that Mark Redmond, father of John and Patrick Redmond father of John who died 1914 are related, which is why it was the Redmond Flynn marriage that was asked for.
The problem as I see it, apart from not finding the marriage is proving the John Redmond born Jan 1894 is the same man that died in the war, they were born in the same place but is there a record of age for the John who died in the war, plus we can't find his brother William to confirm parents names.
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Yes, that is what I thought might be the case and have been trying to establish that.
Mark Redmond’s father was John, a tailor.
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Clara Redmond b 1877 Ballyfane/ Ballyfan Wexford to Patrick and Ann nee Flynn
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03007/2102218.pdf
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Two other children born to Patrick Redmond and Ann/e Flynn:
William b.4/7/1884 Duncormick, Wexford
Bridget b.18/4/1883 Park, Wexford (informant was mother, address shown 'no residence').
There does not appear to be a death entry for the William b.1884 so would suggest that this is the brother referred to and not the 9yr old with a Michael Redmond with aunt/uncle Neill in 1901 (the 2 'nephews' might not necessarily be brothers).
Narrowing timeframe down, marriage of Patrick and Anne must have been 1877 or before.
Annette
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Hi Annette,
I found another two through baptisms - Anne and Patrick in late 1870s. Not sure now if we have listed them previously.
The couple seem to have moved around, one of those found was also ‘no residence’.
Stav01 might have all those and just trying to confirm the marriage which is all that is asked :) and the right John.
Heywood
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Two other children born to Patrick Redmond and Ann/e Flynn:
William b.4/7/1884 Duncormick, Wexford
Bridget b.18/4/1883 Park, Wexford (informant was mother, address shown 'no residence').
There does not appear to be a death entry for the William b.1884 so would suggest that this is the brother referred to and not the 9yr old with a Michael Redmond with aunt/uncle Neill in 1901 (the 2 'nephews' might not necessarily be brothers).
Narrowing timeframe down, marriage of Patrick and Anne must have been 1877 or before.
Annette
Looks good Annette, can you say where you found the William and Bridget births?
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Thanks so much for all your help. So a number of years ago I became really interested in WW1 and was really suprisedto find through novice research that a soldier born in Duncormick had the same surname as my mother. I assumed with a look at the census that it was John born to Mark & Elizabeth 1895 . But when I asked my uncle about John he told me that he died in the 1950s and is buried locally. So I had this otherJohn born in duncirmick 1894 to Patrick and Anne. I know johns has a brother William that tallys now and his military record states that his place of residence was Rahaspic Co Wexford. That's now also is supported by the fact that his brothers seem to live in rahaspic during the 1901 census. If both parents were already deceased . Then the children could have been split up between relatives. For me I'd like to confirm the relationship. But I've visited his grave twice in Flanders and honoured his memory at the menin gate. Thanks for the help everyone. You have given me loads of new leads.
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Thanks for the explanation.
It did and still does seem a bit confusing.
Are your ancestors John and Elizabeth?
We still don’t know if he had a brother William, other than the older one found by Annette though, do we?
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I Am attaching what I think is Williams birth record. Thanks
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Thanks so much for all your help. So a number of years ago I became really interested in WW1 and was really suprisedto find through novice research that a soldier born in Duncormick had the same surname as my mother. I assumed with a look at the census that it was John born to Mark & Elizabeth 1895 . But when I asked my uncle about John he told me that he died in the 1950s and is buried locally. So I had this otherJohn born in duncirmick 1894 to Patrick and Anne. I know johns has a brother William that tallys now and his military record states that his place of residence was Rahaspic Co Wexford. That's now also is supported by the fact that his brothers seem to live in rahaspic during the 1901 census. If both parents were already deceased . Then the children could have been split up between relatives. For me I'd like to confirm the relationship. But I've visited his grave twice in Flanders and honoured his memory at the menin gate. Thanks for the help everyone. You have given me loads of new leads.
Did you make any progress in the past six and a half years??
Re: john redmond
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2011, 11:16:09 PM »
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Shane
thanks for the information. I will follow it up after the weekend.
stav
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The 2 children mentioned earlier by Heywood are included in these 3, all children of Patrick Redmond, Labourer and Anne Flynn:
William b.6/8/1875 Wexford (must have died as another William 1884)
Anne b.12/6/1878 Sheephouse, Wexford
Patrick b.15/1/1880 Newtown, Wexford
Haven't found any children before 1875.
Annette
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I can’t find William, Annette. Can you give the link please?
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So while we were looking for a William in 1894 his birth is in fact 10 years earlier
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02677/1986477.pdf
in 1884
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Perhaps so. So why was it thought there was only 8 months difference. Maybe age misread :-\
Also he is not the one with the Neills either so nephew could be correct.
I can’t find the William born 6/8/1875 yet.
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William 1875 is Registered in New Ross
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03088/2132158.pdf
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Thanks Sinann.
They did travel about a bit.
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Thanks Sinann.
They did travel about a bit.
Duncormick quite possibly just another stop on their wander about so they may not be related to the Mark Redmond family at all.
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Thanks for all of your kind assistance. I did make a mistake with Williams DOB. When I looked closer today I could see it was an 8 not a 9 .
It is possible that there is no connection between the Redmond family's I was hoping to find one but what I Am confident about now is John born to Patrick Redmond & Anne nee Flynn had a number of brothers and sisters. Including William.
Thanks to your work it seems lightly that Patrick died and was buried in Murrintown in 1896 and Anne died in 1899. Therefore there children were probably with relatives for the 1901 census. John gives rahaspick as his address on enlistment so that collaborates that.. Kinda. Thanks again.
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I think you have summed it up there.
It’s sad that we couldn’t find a marriage but you have a good bit of information now.
Heywood.
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Best thing is a young man who lost his life in WWI has had his passing marked and noted plus his place in a family has been found and that is all thanks to you Stav01, well done.
If you haven't already ( I didn't look) perhaps you could add him here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/ww1-in-memoriam/
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Just something to consider
Anne may have been a widow and not Flynn on her marriage
I have looked for a Patrick Redmond Marriage from 1870 to 1875 and only found one where the Ann was widowed and her fathers name wasn't Flynn unfortunately, but that was only a quick look, you may have more luck
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Thanks. For all your help. This has helped me loads. John was born in January 1894 and William is born just over 8 months later. In August 1894. In Duncormick. I knew from John Redmond's military records that his last address was rahaspick. But I didn't know how to find out where. Now I know he had relatives living there. This is great thanks.
Is it possible that John was born in 1893 and registered/baptised in 1894.
Premature babies did not normally survive back then
jfch
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I think there was an error in reading the digits - see reply #46