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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: doidy on Monday 22 January 18 17:13 GMT (UK)
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Austin Frederick Rodgers (sometimes spelt Rogers) born 1885 Street, Somerset was single in 1901 according to his "Attestation" papers. He married Edith Mary Wells (of whom I have no details) 1/10/1909 in St. Alban's Cathedral Pretoria, S Africa. Whilst their marriage can be found under "British 1820 Settlers to South Africa", neither of them are listed as immigrants.
So far I have been unable to find out anything about either of them & very much want to know if they had any children & when & where they died?
PLEASE can any one help/advise me? ??????
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From Free Reg:- Austin Frederick Rodgers. Baptised 17 Dec 1884. Holy Trinity, Street. Parents - Edward (shoemaker) and Elizabeth.
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From Church Register Edith Mary was born circa 1876, London. Witness Arthur George Wells.
1881 census. Arthur G Wells (8) and Edith M Wells (5) living with parents Edward A and Mary A Wells, 1 Clarence Road, Hackney, London.
From Free BMD. Birth of Edith Mary Wells registered Hackney Dec quarter 1875. Mother's maiden name Legge.
Could be entirely coincidental but possibly a place to start.
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Hi.
Thanks for both your replies. I didn't have the bapt, but did have the parents names. I know that church quite well.
Re Edith Mary, ??? ??? ??? ??? I am not 100% convinced as there are several possibilities with that name? I really need to find one that goes to S.Africa? I can't find one in the list of immigrants, so maybe she was born there?????????????? If I could find a death for her in S.A then I might get her birth year & can work from there???????
Thanks very much for the trouble you have gone to. Doidy
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According to the entry in the marriage register she was born in London.
If her brother was with her in S A is it possible the whole family migrated and records would be in their parents' names?
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Hi.
I think I am missing something here???????? I haven't seen anything to know she was born in London (marriage record?????). Nor do I know her bro was in S.A with her, how do you know that?????????
I am listening, ears open wide, eyes to.
Thanks Diana ;)
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Sorry, I'm not clever enough to give you the direct link.
Google "TVL Pretoria St Alban the Martyr Anglican marriages 1871-1955 Family Search"
Open link. Should show image of church marriage register. Turn to page 192.
Hope that gets your there.
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Hi
The link to the marriage Certificate
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWPC-X?i=191&wc=SFV8-N38%3A44975801%2C52325201%2C60123901%2C60173101&cc=1468076
Sorry it's so long....
Roberts Heights was the military base of the time. Is is possible he came here as a soldier and she came with him? It would explain them both being at Roberts Heights given as their residence at the time of their marriage?
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Thank you both for your replies. I got into the marriage entry & can now see why you feel it is the Edith Mary Wells from Hackney.
I have also "googled" Robert Heights, that in itself is interesting.
Have now established Austin died in 1962 in S.Africa. Any one out there who might be in a position to check newspapers for that time please? ???
Have also got someone checking "Forces Records".
Slowly getting there. It is so wonderful being able to link with such helpful people through Rootchat. Thanks.
Doidy
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hi
He died in what was the old Transvaal province in 1962. This is his Estate File:
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SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 9406/62
PART 1
DESCRIPTION RODGERS, AUSTIN FREDERICK.
STARTING 19620000
ENDING 19620000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE EMILY GLADYS RODGERS (BORN FRANCIS).
Unfortunately those records aren't available online as yet.
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Hi.
A really big thank you for all that info!
Wow, now we know he had a second wife, so that leads to question when & where did Austin Frederick Rodgers marry Emily Gladys Francis? She outlived him, so I need a death for her?
This also indicates first wife Edith Mary Rodgers nee Wells died before him & his second marriage (divorce unlikely?????), so need a death for her?
Taking into consideration the name could be mis spelt Rogers, I haven't turned up anything likely. Nor has hubby's cousin turned up any probable children????????
Any help appreciated PLEASE.
Thanks Doidy
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It is really unfortunate that that particular Estate is not online. It would contain a Death Notice and when properly filled in can be a source of very valuable information. The DN's usually contain parents, spouse/s children and if lucky female children's spouses.
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I see from the marriage cert that Edith was a bit older than Austin, is it possible that Wells wasn't her maiden name? She may have been married before??
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Hi.
Yes she is older, but when you navigate Familysearch & manage to look at the document then she is listed "spinster"!!!!!!!! Haven't found a likely person of that name leaving the country (England) yet either??????????
As they were both resident at Roberts Heights (an army base), wander if she was a nurse or something??????
Thanks for raising the point. It's always wise for other people to "look" at things.
Doidy
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It is possible that she may have had something to do with the Military. It is also unfortunate that the cert. doesn't list their occupations, some of them do.
I have seen a few cases where the designation was spinster, but was in fact a widow. I suppose at the time it wasn't easy to check.
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Just to make it all more fun ;D Emily Glady's first husband. That estate file I can probably get a look at.
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 56605
PART 1
DESCRIPTION BUNN, FRANK GEORGE.
STARTING 19250000
ENDING 19250000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE EMILY GLADYS (BORN FRANCIS).
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Oh Wow!!!!!!
It's knitting together! So She married Austin after 1925, which means his first wife died before 1925.
I think I said before that various tree holders (if we have the right person) indicate first wife died 1921. I can't seem to back that up? Neither do I know how they know that if they don't have her marriage to know her surname?
I truly appreciate your help.
Thanks Doidy
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I can send you the link to Bunn's estate, there is a copy of the marriage cert in there for them. He seems to have been in the military as well. The Transvaal Scottish, a quartermaster. He left about £700 in his estate.
It's also a bit strange that for Austin's estate they don't list the previous spouse. Most of them have all the spouses listed even previously deceased.
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Yes please. I don't know at what stage we can make contact directly or if that would be easier for you? I know I achieved it once, am not very good on this site.
Thank you Doidy
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Hi
Here is the link to Bunn's Estate. There are a number of documents just move through the images. His Will is there as well as the distribution account.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9G-SSRP-Y?i=1118&cc=2520237&cat=188051
Sue
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Hi.
Many thanks for that link. I haven't had time as yet to fully peruse all it says. Thank you to for arranging direct contact, which might be useful.
I am replying on here because as you said "other people might be able to help"?
This morning a lady from my genealogy group gave me two printouts re Austin Rodgers. On proved to be incorrect as he was born abt 1897, he was London Regm though.
The second was correct. It shows Austin Fred Rodgers born 1883 Street, Somerset. He was taken prisoner of war in Zebst in 1918. Now his nearest of kin is shown as Mr R Rodgers (almost certainly a bro, despite his father still being alive). This makes me wander if first wife Edith Mary had already died??????? That might of been a very short marriage as they didn't marry until 1909.
I don't think the link above showed the date of second wife Emily Gladys nee Francis's first marriage? We know her first child was born in 1911 though. Sort of strange her first husband left money to the first son, despite him only being 13 & not to the youngest son?
It is slowly knitting together.
Thanks for your ongoing help. Doidy
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Do you know where Austin and Edith Mary married? It could narrow down the search.
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Hi.
Austin & Edith Mary married at St. Alban's, Pretoria in 1909.
It is the marriage of Austin & Emily Gladys Bunn nee Francis that I can't find?
The only clue I have is Austin also died in Pretoria (as well as his first marriage), so imagine it will be there or not far from there?
Many Thanks Doidy
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I wonder what the chances are that Autsin and Emily also married at St Albans?