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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: ALAMO2008 on Monday 22 January 18 17:13 GMT (UK)
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Need help to Identify these Medals for Patrick Marsdon
he was meant to be in Liverpool Kings Regt
but no trace of him on their WW1 Database.
Any ideas ?
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The Kings Liverpool Regiment knew him as Private Patrick Marshall 12103. He was later in the Labour Corps, service number 519348 and/or 578487 (the records are confusing on this point). There are two cross-referenced medal index cards for him, one as Marshall (noted that his correct surname for stamping is Marsdon), and one as Marsdon.
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Hi, the medals look to be the first world war trio, the other one I'm not sure about, I thought it was a South Africa medal and bars but could well be wrong.
Frank.
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Agree with Frank King's SA Medal with clasps + Pip, Squeak & Wilfred.
Pip (14-15 Star) means he went into a theatre of war during those years.
His date of entry is given as 26/9/15.
There's just 1 Batt. of the KLR that landed in France (27/9/15) & that's the 13th. Service Batt.
Probably transferred to the Lab. Corps in 1917 on it's formation.
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Sorry, I have to disagree. I don't think it is QSA, I think it is the India General Service Medal - George V 1911 - 25 version; note the raised inscription around the edge. Also the ribbon isn't quite right. IMHO.
The three bars are probably from the five issued between 1919 and 1924, the 1925 clasp was only issued to RAF personel. This could indicate that he was still serving after 1920, in which case his records will still be with the MOD.
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Sorry, I have to disagree. I don't think it is QSA, I think it is the India General Service Medal - George V 1911 - 25 version; note the raised inscription around the edge. Also the ribbon isn't quite right. IMHO.
To be honest I think the suspender is the wrong shape for the India General Service Medal.
See attached links.
Welcome to Rootschat by the way :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_General_Service_Medal_(1909)#/media/File:India_General_Service_Medal_Obverse_(1909).jpg
http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britishguide/kings_south_africa_ob.JPG
Frank.
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You're right, the hanger is wrong for IGSM, but I'm still puzzled by the raised inscription, it isn't on the QSAM.
Could we get a higher res. clip of just the medals and ribbons?
Thanks for the welcome.
It definitely isn't the KSAM, the ribbon is totally wrong.
I did orginally consider the Natal Native Rebellion Medal, but that was not issued to British units and only one clasp was awarded.
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I tried to enlarge and clip the photograph but it becomes to pixelated to make out so no go with that at the moment I'm afraid.
ALAMO2008, is it possible to get a larger shot of the medals for clarity? :)
Frank.
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I'm gonna go with non military - Masonic or other long service with bars signifying years?
Did he belong to any other organisations?
Ady
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Good evening,
That would have to come after the other three in order of wear Ady.
The ribbon looks very dark but that could be the available light, age of the photo or some other effect. It has to be one of the 1900/1906 medals, KSA is most logical.
John915
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How many clasps do we see?
KSA had two,QSA had a lot more but ribbon is wrong maybe an Indian one?
Hopefully will get a better image
Ady
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I think it is the Queens South Africa Medal, going by the shape of the back of the head, the Queen has a headdress, whereas the King's head is rounded.
The number of clasps depends on what he qualified for.
I agree about the possible photographic effect of the medal ribbon, my grandfather's QSA ribbon looks quite the reverse to all the illustrations, but I confirmed it as the QSA by his list of clasps on the Medal Roll.
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Sorry, but it is NOT the KSAM, apart from the ribbon being totally wrong, the KSAM was only awarded as a pair with the QSAM.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_South_Africa_Medal
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I had thought about the Long Service Medal for the St John Ambulance, but would it be worn on the other side of the trio?
https://www.penleehouse.org.uk/assets/uploads/collections/large_060083.jpg
Also the Anglo Boer War St Johns, awarded to men who were training but did not leave the UK
https://www.angloboerwar.com/medals-and-awards/british/1724-st-john-ambulance-brigade-medal
Just throwing a couple of things into the pot.
Frank.
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Thanks everyone for your time and efforts and suggestions.
I posted this photo on behalf on someone who wanted to ID the medals.
Have kept her posted of your thoughts and asked her for a close up of the medals photo.
But she is not replying to my Emails,
Sorry.
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Thanks everyone for your time and efforts and suggestions.
I posted this photo on behalf on someone who wanted to ID the medals.
Have kept her posted of your thoughts and asked her for a close up of the medals photo.
But she is not replying to my Emails,
Sorry.
Hi, thanks for the update............................................. We'll wait, don't worry about that ;D ;)
Frank.
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Hi, just coming back in on this, there are 2 medal index cards I'm looking at which are a bit of a puzzle.
I have a:-
Patrick Marsden Labour Corps and Kings Liverpool Regiment Reg number 578487
and also
Patrick Marsdon The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps Reg number 12103, and 578487.
However the second chap Marsdon claimed his Star under the name of Patrick Marshall, does this name mean anything to your friend?
Regards
Frank.
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Frank
See reply #2
S
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Frank
See reply #2
S
Aha! Missed that Shaun ::) Thank you ;)
Frank (On his way to specsavers ;D )