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I am attempting to piece together of this family from the late 18th century - present. From various sources, I have established the existence of the following individuals: John Templeton (born c1785) married Eleanor Vint. Their daughter, Susanna, married Samuel Leeburn in 1846. The aforementioned, John Templeton, may have lived in Carntall, Ballylinney. Secondly, a Samuel Templeton (born c1795), (spouse unknown). They had a son, William, who married Isabella Piercy in 1859. Samuel (born c1795), may have lived in Lisnalinchy, Ballylinney. William and Isabella had a son, William (born 1865), who married Margaret Campbell in 1888. I know that one of their sons, John Campbell Templeton (1894-1972) married Mary Jane McGladdery in 1925. John (1894-1972) had two brothers, William (born 1892) and Robert (born 1902/03). Their sisters were: Elizabeth Ann, Hannah Florence, Mary, Margaret Louisa and Harriet Irene.
Thirdly, Samuel Templeton (born c1780), (spouse unknown), had two sons (I think). Alexander Templeton (1811-72) married Elizabeth Curley in 1855. Their family were: Samuel, John, Alexander and Susan. Then, Samuel Templeton (1808-70), married Margaret Auld. Their family were: Margaret, Eliza, Robert, John, James and Mary. Samuel, (born c1780) may have lived in Jordanstown, Carnmoney, and is possibly the father of a James Templeton (born 1819), who married Eliza Dulighan in 1845. Their family were: John, Joseph, Martha and Thomas.
Fourthly, Joseph Templeton (born c1796), (spouse unknown). He had a daughter, Eliza Jane (born 1826), who married, Alexander Kelso in 1851. Joseph, (born c1796), may have resided in Mallusk, and I think he was also the father of (1) Joseph Templeton (1828-77), who married Mary Greer in 1870. Their family were: Elizabeth, Louisa and Agnes. (2) Robert Templeton (1835-1900) who married Hannah Carruth in 1866. Their family were: Annie, Joseph, Thomas, Mary and Margaret.
Fifthly, James Templeton married ? McConnell, around 1862, and had several daughters, and a son named John (born: c1877). John, was recorded in the 1911 Census, residing with his unmarried Aunt, in Carnmoney.
Finally, a John Templeton, (born c1800), (spouse unknown), had a daughter, Mary Eliza who married Luke Hope in 1853. John (born c1780) may have lived in Monkstown, Carnmoney.
If anyone is researching or interested in the Templeton family, I'd like to chat and exchange information. .
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Greetings! We also have Templetons in my husband Terry's family tree as he is the great grandson of Alexander Kelso and Eliza Jane Templeton. We recently visited their grave in the Mallusk cemetery, and right alongside it was another headstone erected by Joseph Templeton in memory of his son William who died 23 June 1836 aged 12 years. I have a photo of both these headstones, and also two photos of Eliza Jane Templeton if you are interested. I would love to know more about this family too, especially the name of Joseph's wife as I got his name from the marriage certificate of Eliza Jane and Alexander, but the mothers were never worth mentioning apparently! Also I would like to know who Joseph's parent were, and any further information about the Kelso family of Hydepark and Mallusk. Cheers, Alison Kelso
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Hello Allison,
I researched the Kelso and Templeton families earlier this year as they are connected in one way or another to several surnames within my family tree.
Ephraim Kelso (died: 6th June 1859) wife= Jane. Family: *Alexander (1821-57) ; Nancy and Margaret. According to Ephraims Will, his daughter Nancy was married and had 3 children, whilst his son, Alexander (1821-57) who married Eliza Jane Templeton, had three children.
The above named Ephraim had at least one brother, George Kelso wife= Unknown. George had a son, David (1807-88) who resided at Kilgreel, Templepatrick, and in 1857 he married Elizabeth Kelso (1822-94). They don't appear to have had any family.
This is where it gets a little confusing. She may have been a cousin of her husband. Elizabeth was the daughter of William Kelso and Margaret Thoburn. Family: Elizabeth (1822-94) ; David (1819-97) married Jane Barnett ; Susanna (1823- ?) married Joseph Gourley ; Jane (1824-1905) married Joseph Kell ; Margaret (1827-98) married James Alexander, and finally, Ellen (? - ?).
Both Ephraim and his brother, George, were Stone Masons. I would appreciate if you could inform me of your husbands line of descent from Alexander Kelso and E J Templeton.
Unfortunately I've no idea who Joseph Templeton's wife was, though, Eliza Jane had the following siblings: Agnes married Luke Williamson ; Joseph (1828-77) married Mary Greer and Robert (1835-1900) married Hannah Carruth.
I hope this information has been of some help to you.
Regards, Allister.
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Hi Allister
I was just looking through the Tithes for Templepatrick and there is a Joseph Templeton there in 1833. I have been looking at the Kelso's again but have not made much progress since last year. There are quite a few in the Tithes for Templepatrick, starting with an Alexander Kelso but whether he is the Alexander (grocer) son of George or the Alexander (stone mason) son of Ephraim is not clear. Maybe another earlier Alexander Kelso existed.
Matthew has found an 1825 land record following on the Will of an Ephraim Kelso who presumably died 1825.
Book 808 / Page 448 / Number 545183
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVT-CQ5P-F?i=314&cat=185720
Memorial of indented deed of release dated 28th Nov 1825 between Joseph Barron of Ballynabarnish and David Biggar [Bigger] of the Trench, farmers, executors named in the last will and testament of Ephrahim [Ephraim] Kelso late of Craigarogan deceased on the one part, and George Kelso of Craigarogan, farmer, of the other part.
Cheers
Linda
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Hello Allister
Thanks for your reply with further information for my Kelso/Templeton family tree. I suppose the young William Templeton who died in 1836 at age 12 would have been the older brother of Eliza Jane and the others, as he must have been born around 1824. His father Joseph erected an elaborate headstone for him which was a fitting tribute to the eldest son.
My husband Terry is descended from Alexander and Eliza Jane's only son William Alexander (1854 -1940) and his wife Anna Atkinson (1855 - 1921) who were his grandparents. Then his father was Frederick James Kelso (1890 - 1942), the fourth son and sixth child of the above who married Evelyn Maud Potts (1899 - 1976). I can give a lot more detail of these families if you are interested.
I've attached two photos of Eliza Jane Templeton.
Cheers, Alison
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Hope you don't mind me sticking my nose in, but I am also researching Kelso family. You mentioned Kilgreel as well, which interested me as there is a ROBERT KELSO there in 1833 on the tithe records.
A Robert Kelso was listed as father, occupation gentleman, on 1852 Glenarm Presbyterian marriage record of EDWARD KELSO 26yo to Matilda McCombe. She was from Larne so I am assuming this was her church. He (Edward) is seen on Main Street, Antrim Town, in the same year (street directory) as a watch and clock maker.
This couple had at least one child, JOHN KIRK Kelso, who later emigrated to Australia.
Edward died 1859 in Donaghadee, Down. This confused me at first, as to why he left Antrim, but on further thought I became convinced he went to the seaside town because he knew he was ill, perhaps on the recommendations of his physician FIL and BIL. No proof of that, but I felt strongly enough about it that I returned to Antrim records when searching for his roots.
In his 1857 will, Edward leaves shares to both the Committee of the Second Presbyterian Congregation of Antrim and the Primitive Weslyan Methodist Congregation of Antrim. The will also reveals the name of his half-sister HESSY or ESTHER Sheals. No other siblings named.
Hessy had three children (John Charles, Eliza, and Anne) baptized St Patrick's RC Belfast 1843-1847, so I'm assuming she converted from either the Presbyterian or Methodist church. I could find no record of Hessy's marriage, but if she was married in St Patrick's that wouldn't surprise me as there are missing records from that time. If these were her only children, Eliza may have been her mother's name.
Unsure whether Edward and Hessy shared a father, there was an adoption, or if there was a Kelso-Kelso marriage.
Do any of these names appear in your research? Can you tell me which Presbyterian or Methodist churches in the Kilgreel area I should include in my search, and whether they are searchable online?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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I do not know how or if Robert connects to the other Kelso families in Templepatrick.
A member of a Templepatrick research group has this information about a family who may or may not connect to Robert or Kilgreel but does not appear to connect to the other Kelso families:
"There was a query about a Kelso as follows:
Looking for information on David Kelso born 18 Jan 1820 in Muckamore Antrim. David was a shoemaker and had a shop in the main street in Antrim town. He was married to Agnes (Nancy). He had a brother George and a brother Robert and two sisters Eliza and Belle (Isabelle or Isabella). Their father Andrew was born in Ayrshire, Scotland in 1798 and Andrew's father was William and his mother Isabella.
I have found a George Kelso born 1823 in Kilgreel which is Muckamore. The hamlets run Antrim, Muckamore, Dunadry and Templepatrick. No idea if this is of any use."
So another piece to fit into the Kelso puzzle.
The Muckamore Presbyterian Church may be one of the closer ones to Kilgreel. But I am not a local, quite the opposite! I do not think you can access any Church records online for free, but there are sites where you can pay.
Cheers
Linda (NZ)
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Awesome info Linda! Muckamore seems most likely area to concentrate for now.
Just for clarification, I place Kilgreel between Templepatrick and Mallusk, while Muckamore seems to be a suburban area of Antrim Town. Maybe you meant Kilgreel is Mallusk not Muckamore?
Not giving up entirely on the Kilgreel Robert Kelso 1833 Tithes, though. Would you feel comfortable providing contact info on the Templepatrick researcher you mentioned? No worries either way.
Thanks again!
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Linda:. I should also have mentioned that there was an Edward Kelso in Craigarogan on 1833 Tithes, near Kilgreel.
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The location of Kilgreel was not my take on Kilgreel, but part of the information from the Templepatrick researcher, who by the way did not have Kelso interests.
My 3x gt grandfather Wiliam Lynn who died 1907 aged 93, was from Kilgreel If you look at the list of householders in Griffiths you will find both David Kelso and George Kelso in Kilgreel. Many of the names on the list are connected to my families. Joseph B Wiley was a grandson of my 4x gt grandfather Hugh Wiley of Ballycushion. His grandson John Graham (originally from Ballycusion) married Jane Lynn of Kilgreel (my 2x gt grandparents). Hugh's son Ezekiel Wiley married Jane Barron daughter of Joseph Barron of Ballnabarnish/Craigarogan/Roughfort. The Kelso's link to this Barron family and is why I have an interest in them.
Kilgreel lies between Ballynabarnish and Craigarogan.
Yes I know about Edward Kelso of Craigarogan in the Tithes. This is my list of Templepatrick Kelsos in the Tithes.
TEMPLEPATRICK
Tithes
1 Kelso, Alexr. Townland: Ballynabarnish Year: 1833
2 Kelso, Edward Townland: Craigarogan Year: 1833
3 Kelso, Ephraim Townland: Ballynabarnish Year: 1833
4 Kelso, Geo. Townland: Ballynabarnish Year: 1833
5 Kelso, John Townland: Craigarogan Year: 1833
6 Kelso, Mary E. Townland: Killgreel Year: 1833
7 Kelso, Robt. Townland: Killgreel Year: 1833
1 Alexander Kelso Ballynabarnish b 1806 d <1859 son of Ephraim
3 Ephraim Kelso Ballynabarnish b c 1780 m ?Jane
Children’s names: Alexander, Margaret, Agnes.
2 Edward Kelso Roughfort b <1813 (Tithes) brother of Hugh (Matthew suggests the Edward Kelso in Tithes was son of Edward as the latter died 1832?)
Hugh Kelso Craigarogan d <18 Mar 1786
Sister Kelso Roughfort b < 1760 m Barron, son =Andrew Barron
The info on Edward is based on the following:
Number 251209
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-MQBD-S?i=410&cat=185720
Memorial of deed of conveyance dated 18th March 1786. Between Andrew Barron and Edward Kelso both of Roughfort, Parish of Templepatrick, farmers - the said Andrew is the nephew and devisee and the said Edward Kelso is the bro. and heir at law of Hugh Kelso late of Craigarogan in the said parish of Templepatrick – of the one part. John Walker of Malone, parish of Belfast, farmer, of the other part. Andrew Barron and Edward Kelso give over to John Walker land in Kilgreel formerly in the possession of the said Hugh Kelso consisting of 29a 1r 35p Scotch Cunningham measure. For the lives of HRH Prince of Wales son of Geo III, Frederick Bishop of Osnaburgh second son of Geo III, and James Fea son of James Fea of Roughforth, and 31 years from 1st Nov 1770. Witnessed by John Barrow [sic] of Belfast, writing clerk, and Mathew Walsh of Belfast, yeoman. Said John Barron [sic] made oath that he was one of the witnesses.
Cheers
Linda
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I should say there are actually two candidates for the #1 Alexander Kelso in the Tithes. I have him as the Alexander born 1806 son of Ephraim but there is another Alexander born 1803, son of George.
George Kelso of Kilgreel was the father of David Kelso (b1808) of Kilgreel who married Elizabeth Kelso, daughter of William Kelso and Margaret Thoburn who married 1819. William Kelso was a weaver and does not appear on the Tithe lists. William and Margaret also had a son named David Kelso b1819 who died at Windy Hill in 1897. This David Kelso married Jane Barnett.
I do not have any concrete evidence but I think the Mary E Kelso of Kilgreel, #6 in the Tithes, may have been the widow of a Henry Kelso. The Belfast Newsletter has an 1833 marriage notice for a Mary Elizabeth Kelso, daughter of the late Henry Kelso from near Roughfort. Mary married a William Barnett
William Barnett who married Mary Eliza Kelso in 1833, dau of Henry Kelso, died in 1873. Names sons Henry Kelso Barnett and William Barnett in his will which was actually written in 1854. William Barnett was described as a gentleman of Windy Hill and Greencastle. His assets included a farm in Kilgreel.
Cheers
Linda
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Kilgreel lies between Ballynabarnish and Craigarogan.
For information:
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/templepatrick/kilgreel/
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/templepatrick/craigarogan/
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/templepatrick/ballynabarnish/
Ballynabarnish to the west, Craigarogan to the east.
KG
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Thanks everyone! Chewing it all over. Nothing sounds right at this point. Will return if I come up with anything.
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Just to complete the list of Tithe holders:
#4 George Kelso of Ballynabarnish/Kilgreel b c1775 d1841 m ? 1 unknown, m 2 Catherine Ruids
Children’s names: James, Alexander, George, David, Ephraim, Margaret, Agnes.
This may be the same George who appears below"
Book 808 / Page 448 / Number 545183
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVT-CQ5P-F?i=314&cat=185720
Memorial of indented deed of release dated 28th Nov 1825 between Joseph Barron of Ballynabarnish and David Biggar [Bigger] of the Trench, farmers, executors named in the last will and testament of Ephrahim [Ephraim] Kelso late of Craigarogan deceased on the one part, and George Kelso of Craigarogan, farmer, of the other part. Barron and Biggar as executors confirmed unto George Kelso that parcel of land in Craigarogan containing 14a 2r Scotch Cunningham measure, bounded on the east by the piece of land therein [hereafter] mentioned, on the south by land in the possession of John Fulton, on the west by part of the lands of said Joseph Barron, etc.
So there was another Ephraim Kelso who died pre 28 Nov 1825, whose widow was Mary nee McNiece .
I mention this because I think the #5 John Kelso of Craigarogan may have been the father of Ephraim Kelso of Ballysillan b c1837.
Ephraim Kelso Ballysillan b c1837 (son of John) m 1858 Letitia Magee
Children’s names: John, Joseph, Sarah, James, Agnes
Not of any help in your search for Robert/Edward Kelso combination though. As I said initially, I do not have any info on Robert Kelso of Kilgreel.
Cheers
Linda
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Please see this link:-
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kelso-697
Given the detailed research listed in the replies above, I suspect you are already aware of this Kelso family listed in the 1851 census of Ireland. My great great grandfather named one of his sons Robert Kelso McClurg. Robert Kelso was the husband of my great great grandmothers sister.
My own family roots lie in Kilgreel and Craigarogan townlands. Both townlands are oddly shaped. The western ends of the townlands are hilly, the eastern ends on much flatter land. The hilly ends lie close to Lylehill Presbyterian church. The flatter end of Kilgreel is close to Templepatrick Presbyterian.
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Hi Jason
No I had not looked at the 1851 census, so thank you for reminding me. Looks like this family could relate to the Andrew Kelso originally from Scotland but that is pure quess work.
I can tell you that a Joseph Gourley married Susan Kelso in 1848, daughter of the William Kelso who was a weaver.
I was about to email one of my fellow Templepatrick Barron researchers to tell him I had added yet another Ezekiel Graham to my Templepatrick Grahams. In his Ancestry tree I note that he has a potential father for Joseph Gourley only recorded as still alive so I wall ask him to look at this post to see what he can add.
There were two Barron families in Templepatrick and the other one is centred around Ballynalough. My Wiley family of Ballycushion married into both families. William Kelso's wife Margaret Thoburn b c 1780 was the daughter of Jane Barron of the Craigarogan side.
I am interested that there is also an Ezekiel Kelso and Ephraim (probably) Kelso in the 1851 census, both aged 15.
Cheers
Linda
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If you look at this profile https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McClurg-308 , you will see the witnesses at James McClurg's wedding were John Kelso and Mary Barron. I believe John and Mary may have married but I haven't fully traced this line yet.
My great grandfathers brother married a Kelso https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McMurray-682
Thomas McMurray was the caretaker for Umgall graveyard.
The Carruth name which was mentioned from one of your earlier posts again my great great grandfathers sister married a Carruth https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McMurray-675
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The Kell family in the census are:
Joseph Kell son of Joseph Kell and Jane Kelso, daughter of William Kelso the weaver.
Jospeh Kell's wife Jane (in census) is the daughter of Joseph Gourley and Susan Kelso previously mentioned, sister of Jane kelso.
By the way Joseph Gourley's father was Alexander Gourley.
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If you remember I mentioned that my Barron connections are from the Wiley family of Ballycushiom.
Well; Catherine McBride b 20 Sep 1867, mother of Thomas Carruth McMurray, was the daughter of Daniel McBride b c 1833, whose mother was Agnes Wiley. Yet another of my Wiley siblings, daughter of Hugh Wiley of Ballycushion. Agnes is a relatively recent addition to my Wiley family and the source for this is Ron Coleman's research.
I have not as yet followed through on any of Catherine's family, most of whom have green hints by their names in my Graham tree.
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Is it possible that your line links with another Daniel McBride? There is a second Daniel McBride of roughly the same age present in the area of Mallusk/Kilgreel/Craigarogan. My recollection is he also had a daughter called Catherine. I had to disentangle the 2 lines when working out my own line.
On wikitree my Catherine McBride's grandparents are listed as John McBride and Ellen McKeown. However I cannot confirm this part of the tree is correct as I have not researched that far back in my McBride lines. The earlier information was supplied by another Wikitree member who had created that part of the tree.
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This is the other Daniel McBride in the 1901 census:-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballysillon/Molusk__Grange_of_/989028/
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Hi Jason
Yes that is possible. There are two possible places of mis-identity. One is matching JOhn McBride of Kilgreel with the John McBride of Craigarogan who died 1869.
Ron Coleman records that Nancy, daughter of Hugh of Ballycushion, married John McBride of Kilgreel on 12 Oct 1829.
John had previously been married to Hannah Douglas who had presumably died in childbirth in 1829, when daughter Margaret McBride was born.
One of Ron Colemans sources was the “Agnes Cross Douglas Temple” records of 1892. Agnes Cross Douglas being one of the early LDS members, who went to Utah. Agnes nee Cross born 1816 in Carnmoney, returned to Ireland several times, including 1891, to visit family and collect names for the Utah temple records.
Family of John McBride and Agnes Wiley
John McBride
Martha McBride
Jane McBride b c1831 married Joseph McGlatthery
Daniel McBride b c 1825 married Agnes Rea d 1912
Letitia McBride b c 1839 married Daniel McBride d 1884
Mary McBride b c 1839 married Arthur Ritchie d 1922
James Alexander McBride b c 1841 married 1868 Catherine Richey d 1915
Francis McBride b c 1848 married Margaret Mclaughlin
John McBride of Craigarogan died 9 Apr 1869 and left a will.
The Will of John M'Bride late of Craigarogan County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 9 April 1869 at same place was proven at Belfast by the oaths of Daniel M'Bride of Malusk and James M'Bride of Craigarogan both in (Templepatrick) said County.Farmers the Executors.
John left money to his two oldest daughters (I beleive from his first marriage): Isabella McBride otherwise McKeown and Elizabeth McBride otherwise Agnew, but his son from his first marriage, David Douglas McBride b1813 was not named in John’s will. David was already living in Australia by 1844.
John then went on to name his daughters Jane McBride otherwise McGladdery, Letitia Mcbride, Mary McBride otherwise Ritchie, and Martha McBride.
He also listed his sons, John , James, Daniel and Francis.
I think the twooldest daughters corresponded
I will need to look in my Ancestry tree to see why I have this Daniel married to Agnes Rea and father of Catherine b 20 Sep 1867.
Cheers
Linda
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Checking back to Ron Coleman's Rootsweb site he does have Isabella McBride, b c 1824 daughter of John McBride and Hannah Douglass, noted as married to Andrew McKeown of Ballutoag. This fits with the John McBride of Craigarogan's will.
https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3134031&id=I28969
But he has a different husband for Jane McBride, daughter of John McBride and Agnes Wiley. So again there is room for error.
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I have found 3 relevant McBride marriages:-
Daniel McBride of Umgall, father Francis McBride married Catherine McLaughlin of Kilgreel, father John McLaughlin. Married on 17/10/1865 at Lylehill Presbyterian.
I suspect this is the other Daniel McBride in the 1901 census. The family has a William McLaughlin resident in the household.
Daniel McBride of Craigarogan, father John McBride married Nancy Rea of Kilgreel, father John Rea. Married 06/04/1860 at 1st Antrim Presbyterian.
Daniel McBride of Belfast, age 33, father Daniel McBride, a farmer, married Letitia McBride of Templepatrick, age 27, father John McBride, a farmer at St Anne’s Church of Ireland, Belfast on 26th July 1862.