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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: elaine gray on Thursday 25 January 18 12:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I've got a burial record for Agnes hughes, buried in march 1846, I can't read the name of the place, it starts with a G, could it be gorgie? Also I've been looking for a death for her husband, Arthur who last shows in 1851 census, looked at all sites and cannot find him. would anyone know if theres burial records for Edinburgh to enable me to see if hes in lair with Agnes ?.both were born in Ireland abt 1785. Thanks
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Can you post the extract here so that we can take a look at it?
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Yeah, I meant to do that but not managing will get my 5yr old grandson to do it for me, haha, or possibly his dad. Thanks for replying, post it soonest
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Elaine, a listing here of Edinburgh graveyards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_graveyards_and_cemeteries_in_Edinburgh
There are a few with G...not many though.
Hopefully clearer for you when others can view the snippet. If you need help with this, just let me know.
Monica
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The only Edinburgh Graveyard that comes to mind from that era is Greyfriars.
What was the address in the 1851 Census please?
Dorrie
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A quick look at the 1851 census shows him as a lodger living at 40 Candlemaker Row, Civil Parish of Edinburgh New Greyfriars. Am I Correct? Candlemaker Row is a street right beside Greyfriars Churchyard.
No death entry coming up between 1841 and 1861 on Scotlands People, sorry.
Dorrie
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The only Arthur Hughes I can see which makes sense in the 1851 census is a 70 year old lodger in Candlemaker Row - this is very near to Greyfriars Kirk. He is showing as born Ireland.
The only Arthur born Ireland I can see in 1841 is showing as born 1785, living in West side Stevenlaws Close 134 High Street and a general labourer. Also present is Mrs Hughes also aged 56 born Ireland. (I cannot see an Agnes Hughes with an Arthur in the 1841 census in Edinburgh).
Looking at SP the only death I can see for an Agnes Hughes in 1846 in Edinburgh is in Corstorphine Parish - have to say that I do wonder about the tie up there with someone possibly living in the Old Town. How certain are you, Elaine that Agnes is yours? (Always worth remembering that pre 1855 deaths in Scotland can be extremely problematic).
William
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The 1841 census only lists her as Mrs Hughes -no first name unfortunately and he is a labourer so not very well of.
Long way from Corstorphine to Greyfriars for Burial.
Dorrie
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Hi, process of elimination, found birth for sons late 1820 to Arthur and Agnes mcweed , which I'm sure must be McWade?.. The Arthur I'm looking for was a labourer by trade and my gtgtgt grandfather. I've had no joy finding marriage for them and assume they married in Ireland and been told marr records are near non -existent at that time. He's with wife in 1841 and I just assumed he was lodger and it's said something xxxxx scavenger???? In 1851, and it was same man. Im ashamed to say, my geography of Edinburgh is appalling. I looked at listings that Monica sent me and it could be grange. I will get image up ASAP.i seem to be able to do that on my phone, which is getting repaired at moment :-*But not from iPad. Thanks to you all , Elaine
Arthur Hughes born to Arthur Hughes and Agnes ms mcweed 1829
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In the 1851 Census I think it should read "retired" scavenger. A scavenger was a labourer who worked on the streets usually cleaning them up hence the term still used of "scaffie" for a street cleaner.
The others in this census are William Welsh, born Ireland, a hawker of old clothes and his wife also born in Ireland. Perhaps they were related or old friends and Arthur was being supported by them? Just a thought.
Going back to Millmoor's findings I agree that the only death entry for an Agnes Hughes in 1846 is in Corstorphine. At that time Corstorphine was a small village on the outskirts of Edinburgh.
Once we see the image of the death entry it will help us greatly.
By the way my knowledge of Edinburgh is pretty good as I was born and still live there.
Dorrie
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I wonder if the Agnes Hughes death in 1846 is for the Agnes showing as living in Kirknewton in the 1841 census as born in 1771. Also in the household is a Henry Hughes age 30, a clerk.
The 1851 and 1861 censuses have Henry still living in Kirknewton, a land surveyor born in 1807 in Corstorphine. I note there is a baptism in Corstorphine 30 Aug. 1806 (born 16 Aug.) for a Henry Hughes with parents Robert Hughes and Agnes Smith. (Marriage in Corstorphine 4 Aug 1804).
(Kirknewton is a village just to the west of Edinburgh).
William
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The 1846 Hughes burial was at Gogar Kirk. https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/directory_record/18710/gogar_churchyard
The church is now a cabinetmakers workshop which has a good image with some headstones @
https://m.facebook.com/Gogar-Cabinetworks-859096674101591/
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Still call the Scaffies in Glasgow, no doubt there's a fancy title though! ;D
Skoosh.