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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: wscroley on Thursday 25 January 18 16:11 GMT (UK)
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Thanks to info supplied to me in my post on Nellie Beaumont (nee Stewart, born 1877) I have more details about Nellie and her sister Miriam Stewart, born 1875. From Nellie's death certificate it states that her mother was Ann Marsden. Ann's death is in the newspapers but I cannot find a marriage for George and Ann, a birth for Ann nor a death for George. Ann died in 1877, so potentially in childbirth, but I cannot find a second marriage for George either. George's retirement from the Police is also noted in the newspaper in 1909.
Has anyone any more tips please? Thanks
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George's retirement from the Police is also noted in the newspaper in 1909.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GEST19090812.2.20.7
Added, as it gives some background for George, which may assist in the search for further information. ;)
~ Lu
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... and the link to your earlier thread > (topic headed > Eleanor Ernestine BEAUMONT (nee STEWART)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784073.msg6388518#msg6388518
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Update :
Have now found what appears to be a second wife for George. Lots more records to check though to establish what became of George.
~ Lu
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George's retirement from the Police is also noted in the newspaper in 1909.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GEST19090812.2.20.7
Added, as it gives some background for George, which may assist in the search for further information. ;)
~ Lu
[Included in earlier thread.......]
Two possibilities as to the death of George, perhaps?
1918/6170 Stewart George 74Y
1911/7210 Stewart George 74Y
Minniehaha.
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Would the NZ Gazettes contain more information about George being that he was employed by the crown? Or postings for Police? Or even an obituary?
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From reply # 4.............
Cemetery Record Details
Record No. 22744 -
Surname Stewart
First Name(s) George
Age 74 years
Place of Birth
Place of Death
Gender
Occupation
Cemetery Location Hokitika
Block and Plot Block 289, Plot 6190
Grave or Ashes Grave
Date Deceased 1918-08-22
Date of Interment 1918-08-22
Denomination Church of England
Funeral Director
Other Interments in this Plot
Just a thought/possibility......
Minniehaha.
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Hi wscroley
So it has already been established (via a newspaper notice) that Ellenor Ernestine STEWART (aka Nellie) who wed Arthur Edwin BEAUMONT in 1897, was the daughter of a George Martin STEWART of the Police Force at Kanieri, Hokitika, earlier at Newtown, Wellington.
For some reason, George dropped the use of his second name "Martin" sometime before he married again in 1894 to Catherine FORSTER. Catherine was born 1872 in Hokitika and in the 1911 Will of her father, Matthew FORSTER she was described as "my daughter Catherine (nee FORSTER) the wife of George STEWART of Hokitika, ex-Policeman"...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94R-LC1Q?i=71&cc=1865481
And I can confirm also that the George STEWART who died at Hokitika, (record already given here in Reply # 4), is buried with his wife, Catherine STEWART, who died aged 72 years in May 1944.
In your thread on the Limerick board, I think I recall you saying that George's family had been Protestant ?
Going by the burial records for Orowaiti Cemetery, Hokitika, as well as showing that George and Catherine share Plot # 6190, Block 289, it also notes George's denomination as "Anglican" and Catherine's as "Roman Catholic".
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George (Martin) STEWART - continued :
George STEWART and wife Catherine had a family of at least eight children.
STEWART
1895 - Annie / parents: Kate and George
1896 - Margaret / Catherine and George
1897 - John "
1898 - Robert "
1900 - Kate / Kate and George
1901 - Edward (but has been indexed as "Edmond")
1904 - Thomas George - parents Catherine & George - born at Hokitika not mentioned in his mother's L.of A. file* ???
1907 - Mary / Catherine and George
1910 - Francis (otherwise known as "Frank James" ).
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* There are further details for these children in the Letters of Administration record for their Mother, Catherine STEWART, dated 1948.
Link follows >
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9H3-BNB4?i=62&cc=1865481
See Images # 75 - 76 :
There does not appear to have been a probate record for George STEWART (d. 1918).
~ Lu
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Robert STEWART - b. 1898 - s/o Catherine and George STEWART, served in WW1.
Go to the following and click on the "beige-coloured" link >
STEWART - Robert - WW1 - 72531 - Army
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=7821710&digital=yes
The record tells that Robert's next-of-kin was his Mother, Mrs Catherine STEWART of Rolleston Street, Hokitika. [Electoral rolls show that Catherine and George STEWART - retired policeman, lived at that address for many years. ]
At IMAGE # 5 - Attestation of Robert STEWART - whilst it doesn't give the names of his parents, it does say that his father was born in Limerick, Ireland and his mother, at Hokitika, New Zealand.
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Thank you all so much for all this extra information! I shall have to go away and digest it all. It just goes to show that finding a record depends on what you type in as I had been on to Family Search for instance and been through all the permutations and come up with nothing. It is interesting that the family continues the name 'Robert' as I found a baptism in the Limerick records for a George Stewart, son of Robert Stewart. Perhaps this Robert was the brother of George and my ggrandfather, William.
Thank you again and very best wishes.
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Whilst searching on "'George Stewart" I also spotted the following Probate file >
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMZ-N98P-V?i=251&cc=1865481
This contains the 1930 Will of George STEWART*, late of Wellington, Civil Servant, [* file also records that he is a.k.a. George Hain STEWART ]
in which he makes bequests to >
.... my sister Nellie BEAUMONT
.... my sister Mary DUNCAN** ..... my nephew Arthur DUNCAN
[** I take it that this is the woman also known as "Miriam" ???
NZ Birth : 1875 - STEWART - Mary - parents: Ann and George
NZ Marriage : Miriam STEWART - William James Angus Archibald DUNCAN -- Year: 1894 ]
NZ Death Index (online) shows >
1945 - STEWART - George Hain - 68 years [bc 1877 ]
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Hi
Have a bit more for you to "digest". ;D
If I'm recalling correctly, I think you also said that you had dismissed the record of a
Martin STEWART baptised 1840 at Doon. ??
I checked this at FindMyPast and it says >
"3 February 1840
Martin .. s/o J .. orge ? [with a question mark on the transcribed version] STEWART and Biddy MOLONY ... of [can't decipher name ]
.... Nancy and Thomas MOLONY .. [who are probably the sponsors ?]
Parish : Doon and Castletown
County : Limerick and Tipperary".
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There is also a "tree" at the ancestry website for this same Martin (the record had been written up for a "Martin George "Mtn" STEWART (1840-1918) -- Doon RC Parish records :
Parents: George STEWART (1810- 1881) and Bridget MOLONY (1820 --) ???
A "Nellie MASON" is recorded as the first wife of "Martin George STEWART". ???
Further - there is an enlistment record for the year 1858 - Royal Irish Constabulary - Martin STEWART - 19 years - born Limerick :
[I think the date of service ended at 1864 with a note that the man STEWART was departing for Australia. ]
???
Will leave it for you to decide. ;D
~ Lu
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Thank you all. I saw the tree on Ancestry and messaged the owner at the beginning of January, but no reply as yet. Not sure where the name 'Nellie Mason' came from. I had put the record of Martin Stewart's baptism to one side as he was baptised as a Catholic whereas the rest of the family I've identified were all Presbyterian/Church of Ireland. But the summary record for Martin Stewart's RIC service lists him as Protestant. (My Findmypast subscription has just expired). Perhaps George was Protestant and Bridget, Catholic. The probate details are very useful for identifying the subsequent generations. Miriam/Mary (Nellie Beaumont's sister) was also known as Marian according to the NZ Electoral rolls. The two sisters were living together in 1935. Miriam's husband appears to be living at a different address with their son and Nellie's husband was living in the Cook Islands before his death. What a complicated family!
Thanks again and best wishes.
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Hi, I think Geroge was my great grandfather. My grandmother was Margaret and she was born in the 1890s. I do have the date somewhere but not to hand. He came from County Doon in Ireland. My grand mother was a Catholic. They were related to the Steels also. My mother and her sisters were born in Hokitika also. Their surname was Brand.
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Hello! I believe you are trying to get in toach with me. I am a direct descendent of the "George" Stewart you are looking for. You also reference my page so I should probably explain a few points. My Great Grandfather's actual name is not George rather his name is "Martin Stewart". My Father is still living so he can remember his Grandmother, Catherine (nee Forster) talking about him very vividly. His wife, my Great Grandmother Catherine always called him "Martin" and would apparently get quite irrate if people called him "George" LOL. This information was pivotal in finding my Great Grandfather's birth records as we have been looking for him as "George" in Ireland and could never find him. It becomes complicated as in the NZ records as he is mainly listed as George with no mention of Martin. His birth records come from County Cork RC Parish records for Doon and Castletown 1824-1899. Parents are listed as George Stewart and Bridget Malone. We know these are his parents as he lists them in his later Constabulary records. George and Bridget have 6 children listed on the record;
1833: William Stewart,
1835: Anne Stewart,
1838: Ellen Stewart,
1849: "Mtn" Stewart (which is our Martin - he appears to have changed his name to George - it should also be noted that his Father was of Scottish decent and not Irish and "Martin" would have been written down phonetically by the priest. Martin is NOT an Irish name - so goodness knows what the priest thought they were saying!!!),
1842: Mary Stewart,
1845: Bridget Stewart.
"George" enlisted in the Irish Constabulary in 1858 (film#556063, page173) and from there on the 18 November 1864 joined the Armed Constabulary from Melbourne in Australia and fought in the Maori Wars in NZ (he had to get permission to emigrate to Australia from the Irish Constabulary). His joining date for the New Zealand Police Force is 9 May 1877. Most of what we know comes from his police record in the national archives in NZ. At the time they needed to get permission to marry and this is where we get the name of his first wife as Nellie Mason - he lists her as his first wife with 2 children (no idea of names) when he sought permission to marry his second wife and my Great Grandmother Catherine Forster - he simple stated she had died. We have been unable to verify Nellie as this probably was not her actual name and we have no idea where they may have married... Could have been Ireland, could have been Australia and goodness knows what name George was going by at the time!
Anyways - it all get a bit complicated with my lot but if you want to chat more you can text or call me on (*) and we can discuss further! P.s. I'm in Australia.
[Moderator edit: phone number deleted to protect personal privacy]
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Hello and thank you for getting in touch! Martin's elder brother, William was my great grandfather. George Stewart married Bridget Moloney (various spellings) and Bridget had a brother, Martin, born in about 1812. He was murdered in 1836 so that is probably where the name came from-also a saint's name and Catholic children were given saint's names at this time. Martin Moloney's murderer, James Prendergast, was transported and ended up in the Hawkesbury region of NSW! There was another Stewart sibling in addition to the ones you named-baptised as Catharine Steward in 1848. She died in 1882 with her mother present. As you say Martin was in the RIC (as Protestant to make life easier!), emigrated to Australia, joined the NZ Militia, served with the Taranaki Military Settlers and was awarded the NZ War Medal. He joined the NZ Armed Constabulary and then the NZ Constabulary. Martin Stewart married Ann Marsden in 1872 in NZ. This info comes from the birth certificate for their second child, Ellen (aka Nellie) born 1876. Their first child, Mary was born in 1875 and their third, George Hain in 1877. As Ann died in 1877 maybe she died in childbirth. My father was born in Cork and joined the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in WW1. My mother said that his great grandfather had been in a Scottish Regiment. The only relevant George Stewart I can find on the scotlandspeople website was born in Aberdeen in 1804. I have various certificates, newspaper articles etc to support the above and my tree is on Ancestry. I can invite you to view it if you would like. Send me a PM and I will send my email address to you. Regards
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Hello,
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KHP
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Hi Bek
I had to create a new account to get on here as don't think Ive been here for 10 years!
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Hi Whitechas
You said " Hi, I think Geroge was my great grandfather. My grandmother was Margaret and she was born in the 1890s. I do have the date somewhere but not to hand. He came from County Doon in Ireland. My grand mother was a Catholic. They were related to the Steels also. My mother and her sisters were born in Hokitika also. Their surname was Brand. "
My wife is somehow related to your peeps. I have been trying to compile more information about the descendants of George and Catherine. It's a long story. But she has a confirmed 2nd cousin DNA match to a great-grandchild of George and Catherine(*).
Margaret Stewart married Sydney Brand and I have identified 2 daughters. I would love information on any more, as well as further descendancy !!!
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Hello lovely peoples!
Particularly to my VERY REMOVED COUSIN WSCrowley! Thanks so much for the "fleshing out" of my family story - absolutely fascinating how he (probably) got his name! My Father was really interested. Also cheers for the Catherine Steward hint! Totally had the rest with her registering her name as Catherine/Katherine/Kate with George as the Father but was only checking the Stewarts. Those rascally record keepers!!
Anyways, just a couple of quick questions - I still cannot find a marriage for George and Ann/Anne/Annie/Nellie - any luck? I'm confused by the Marsden also as she is DEFINITELY listed on his police service records and his death certificate (20-8-1918) as Nellie MASON.
FROM death certificate....
...at his death he had 2 living daughters aged 43 and 42, and a son aged 41 from his first wife Nellie Mason. And to his second wife Katherine Foster. Daughters aged 23,22,18,16 and 11. Sons aged 20,17,11 and 8.
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So everything keeps pointing to that name. Also, I'm totally on board with the the names of the first two girls. Got Mary (nzbdn record#1875/4494), Ellen (nzbdm record# 1876/12546) and then a William (nzbdn record#1877/7301) and in the same year an Alison (nzbdm record# 1877/5762). All to Ann and George. Not sure if the last two are twins as currently looking for 1877 deaths.
These correlate with baptisms for 3 children to Ann/Annie and George Stewart in 1875, Ellen in 1876, and another in 1877 (MSY-2416 Methodist Baptism Register). Importantly they are in the right location as he was a policeman in the Hutt Valley, Wellington, NZ (the only one at the time) until he was posted to Kainere, near Hokatika (can't remember the year but it's between the death of his first wife Nellie on 15 October 1877 and his marriage to his second wife Catherine Forster in Hokatika on 03/05/1894, Catherine was born in Hokatika in 1872)
My problem is with "George Stewart AKA George Hain Stewart" - I presume the name is through the connection to 1930 probate with his sister's names listed... That all seems to track... My problem is I've got a William and cannot find any George Stewart born at the right time to the right people in the right place - is he William? And has anyone got his birth certificate. Or name change????
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Welcome to RootsChat and the NZ Completed board.
As more relatives have joined the discussion, and you have more questions, it is possible to ask "spades" the NZ Moderator, to return this thread to the main NZ board, where more people will possibly see the discussion, and may be, have new suggestions to advance your research.
All the best.
Alan.
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Hello all.
I am coming very late to this discussion, as I only happened on this website today.
I send special greetings to Whitechas, who is my only first cousin on my mother's side. We are the grandchildren of Margaret Brand, nee Stewart, and the of George Stewart and Catherine Foster.
I am still in touch with descend andants of George's first wife, Anne Marsden. As others have noted, they were protestant while the second family was catholic, however religion never seemed to prevent the two branches from getting along.
As I understand it, Catherine Foster's family came to Hokitika from the goldfields of Ballarat, in Australia. She had a brother, Septimus, who was a prospecter on the West Coast. They were originally from the northeast of England.
Catherine and George had ten children together, five boys and five girls. The children were raised as Catholics and grew up in Kaniere and later Hokitika.
Anne and my grandmother Margaret were the eldest children and the youngest was young George. I'm not sure of the age order for the others - Edward (Neddy), Robert, John (who built the church of the Good Shepherd at Tekapo), James (Jimmy), Kate, Maude, and May. Sadly, Georgie was the first of the children to die. He was only 16 and fell from a horse while crossing a flooded river. According to my grandmother, he was 'a lovely lookin' boy'.
Others in the family died young. Robert, Maude and May all died of tuberculosis as young adults. Robert had survived the First World War and married Vera. I don't think they had children. Maude married Jack Strachan. They had no children. May married Bill Coleman. They had four daughters and a son, who were very dear to my grandmother.
Anne married Jim Duncan and lived for many years in Reefton. Anne also had a daughter before her marriage. The child was called Betty and was added to the long line of her mother's siblings. She was also known as Liz and grew up to be one of the kindest people you could ever meet. Kate married Duncan McCrae.Their home was in Ikamatua. I know they had daughters, but I'm not sure if there were also sons.
I have visited the grave of George and Catherine in Hokitika. Sadly, it is unmarked.
I hope this is all helpful for those in search of connections.