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Hi,
Are there any family members of the above couple please about. Their daughter Isabella Stevenson aged 26 was married to John McArthur, aged 28 son of Duncan McArthur and Margaret Smith (according to what is on the marriage certificate) 2 December, 1856 at Cambuslang. Both were working at Cathcart at the time of marriage. . They immigrated to Australia a fortnight later. Havent been able to find Johns birth in a parish register to date and have checked the censuses. No marriage has been found for his parents Duncan and Margaret either.
Thought I would see if any luck on the Stevenson side. I have census of the Stevensons Think John Stevenson was a invalided soldier.Haven't any details of that as yet.. Have been searching for over 30 years,but records are becoming released all of the time. I havent advanced any though, so far.
Thanks
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Not sure what you need?
Familysearch has the Birth/Christenings of John Stevenson/Christina Ormistons children;
MARY 1826
GEORGE 1828
ISOBEL 1830*** (Mother as Christian Ormister)
CHRISTIAN 1832
ANDREW 1835
You have all the census entries John born c 1792/1793 Cambuslang, Lanark
JOHN Stevenson
Birth Date 01 Jan 1792
Father ALEXANDER
1851 Census Andrew Conniston age 46, Brother in Law is with them.
+ their Daug Mary c 1826
As John/Christian died after 1871 Census their Death Certs from Scotlandspeople will have their Parents details.
Trish :)
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There are 2 family trees on Ancestry which follow the line of Isabella's sister Mary They have a death date of 26 Nov 1871 for John parents George Stevenson and Mary Cochran
Scotlands People has one baptismal record of Andrew Stevenson 1802 with parents George and Mary It has also a death of a William Stevenson mother's MS Cochran in 1864 age 53
For Christian they have a death date of 29 Jul 1877 parents Andrew Ormiston Elizabeth Balfour name listed as Christina
No baptismal records on Scotland's People for children to this couple or deaths with mothers MS Balfour
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For the John McArthur there are 3 family trees on Ancestry following the lines of 3 different children of John and Isabella (Isabella b 1857, William 1865 and Alexander 1869 also 2 children no mothers name on one tree Duncan b 1841 Isabella b 1849) They all state John's parents are Hamilton McArthur and Mary Perry no marriage record of this couple On Scotlands people although there is a death of a Hamiton McArthur in 1865
according to one tree Mary Perry dies before 1843 as Hamilton marries an Elizabeth Stevenson and John was one of 12 children and 2 half brothers and 2 half sisters
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For the John McArthur there are 3 family trees on Ancestry following the lines of 3 different children of John and Isabella (Isabella b 1857, William 1865 and Alexander 1869 also 2 children no mothers name on one tree Duncan b 1841 Isabella b 1849) They all state John's parents are Hamilton McArthur and Mary Perry no marriage record of this couple On Scotlands people although there is a death of a Hamiton McArthur in 1865
according to one tree Mary Perry dies before 1843 as Hamilton marries an Elizabeth Stevenson and John was one of 12 children and 2 half brothers and 2 half sisters
Hi Wendy thanks for your replies, I appreciate your time in doing so. Unfortunately, information supplied by the public to ancestry can be so wrong. I have the marriage certificate of John McArthur and Isabella Stevenson. His father was Duncan McArthur and his mother Margaret Smith. John and Isabella had 9 children, all born in Tasmania. the first named after her mother Isabella 1857, Margaret 1858 named after his mother, John, maybe named after John Mcarthur or John Stevenson, George, named after his grandfather, William, no idea who he was named after, Peter, Duncan after his Grandfather and the youngest, Robert Russell named after the minister in Evandale who baptised them all. Was excited last year when I found on familysearch and ancestry in a scottish census a family with Peter, Duncan, John 1828 and a Robert. The census place was Cathcart or so it said. Then when I looked on Scotlands peeople it was Cartsdyke not Cathcart, so that was that. It gave a father Duncan and a mother Janet. I did think it was a second wife, but have since checked Scotlands people and find that she was his first wife and John Was janets child for this family not Margaret.
I am hoping to find a living family member of the Stevenson family who were living in Cambuslang in the 1850 and before to see if they can help with the Stevenson history and at the same time they may shed some light on the actual birth place and actual birth date of John McArthur I have six possible Johns in the censises 1841 to 1851 with no parents though. There lies my problem.
Thanks Wendy
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Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate, 1856?
Do you know what ship they travelled on.
It is difficult to easily find the information you are giving when it is endless continuous text. It would be better with upper case for family names, and a separate line for each of children.
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Just a thought could John have come from Ireland without his parents
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There are 2 family trees on Ancestry which follow the line of Isabella's sister Mary They have a death date of 26 Nov 1871 for John parents George Stevenson and Mary Cochran
Scotlands People has one baptismal record of Andrew Stevenson 1802 with parents George and Mary It has also a death of a William Stevenson mother's MS Cochran in 1864 age 53
For Christian they have a death date of 29 Jul 1877 parents Andrew Ormiston Elizabeth Balfour name listed as Christina
No baptismal records on Scotland's People for children to this couple or deaths with mothers MS Balfour
Hi again
Wendy, I have seen this George and Mary and think they could be John Stevensons parents. I have it jotted down someplace in the file. I can see where the William McArthur, born 27 June 1864 (our line) got his name from, his Uncle William Stevenson too now. He has died in 1864 in Scotland and Isabella has name her new born son after him. Can't remember a mention of William Stevenson in the census but may have been working away. I found I do also have John Sevenson and Christian Ormiston Proclamation of marriage in 1825, I thought their actual marriage date was 1826. Peter may be the key to finding which McArthur family our John comes from. Thanks again.
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Not sure what you need?
Familysearch has the Birth/Christenings of John Stevenson/Christina Ormistons children;
MARY 1826
GEORGE 1828
ISOBEL 1830*** (Mother as Christian Ormister)
CHRISTIAN 1832
ANDREW 1835
You have all the census entries John born c 1792/1793 Cambuslang, Lanark
JOHN Stevenson
Birth Date 01 Jan 1792
Father ALEXANDER
1851 Census Andrew Conniston age 46, Brother in Law is with them.
+ their Daug Mary c 1826
As John/Christian died after 1871 Census their Death Certs from Scotlandspeople will have their Parents details.
Trish :)
Hi Trish, thanks for replying especially since you have your hands full there. I am hoping to be in touch with the Stevenson family descendants of John Stevenson and Christian Ormiston whose daughter Isabella born 1830 at Cambuslang, married John McArthur of a unknown birthdate in 1828 and unknown birthplace at this time. Hopefully a family bible will yield a good result. I know the McArthur bible states 2 December 1856 for marriage at Cambuslang, with Johns age as 28 and Isabellas as 26 and both their parents, Duncan McArthur and Margaret Smith, John Stevenson and Christian Ormiston. So no mystery there. Unfortunately there is a family in ancestry who is following the wrong family. I am not subscribed but may have to so I can put them in the right direction.
Thanks again.
Edie
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For the John McArthur there are 3 family trees on Ancestry following the lines of 3 different children of John and Isabella (Isabella b 1857, William 1865 and Alexander 1869 also 2 children no mothers name on one tree Duncan b 1841 Isabella b 1849) They all state John's parents are Hamilton McArthur and Mary Perry no marriage record of this couple On Scotlands people although there is a death of a Hamiton McArthur in 1865
according to one tree Mary Perry dies before 1843 as Hamilton marries an Elizabeth Stevenson and John was one of 12 children and 2 half brothers and 2 half sisters
HI Wendy,
This is the ancestry tree totally up the creek. We have only got as far back as 1856 for John and Isabellas marriage and there is a brickwall at that point. No problems with Isabella, she can be traced as too her parents through Cambuslang. Different for John McArthur though born 1828 as he was 28 in 1856 time of marriage. I dont have death for either of his parents Duncan mcArthur or Margaret Smith. Cathcart I beleive was in Renfreshire in 1856, but now divided between Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire since 1912. Marriage cert notes Duncan, deceased at tie of his sons marriage in 1856. So you can rule Hamilton out as his father and also there are no children named Hamilton in the line up of children for John and Isabella.
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Ancestry family tree again (I know they can be wrong ) has William Stevenson dies 22 Dec 1864 married to Jane Fairbairn also they have Williams death certificate which confirms his parents and wife
Another one has a sister Elizabeth b 1803 died 14 Aug 1862 married to David Park
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For the John McArthur there are 3 family trees on Ancestry following the lines of 3 different children of John and Isabella (Isabella b 1857, William 1865 and Alexander 1869 also 2 children no mothers name on one tree Duncan b 1841 Isabella b 1849) They all state John's parents are Hamilton McArthur and Mary Perry no marriage record of this couple On Scotlands people although there is a death of a Hamiton McArthur in 1865
according to one tree Mary Perry dies before 1843 as Hamilton marries an Elizabeth Stevenson and John was one of 12 children and 2 half brothers and 2 half sisters
HI Wendy,
This is the ancestry tree totally up the creek. We have only got as far back as 1856 for John and Isabellas marriage and there is a brickwall at that point. No problems with Isabella, she can be traced as too her parents through Cambuslang. Different for John McArthur though born 1828 as he was 28 in 1856 time of marriage. I dont have death for either of his parents Duncan mcArthur or Margaret Smith. Cathcart I beleive was in Renfreshire in 1856, but now divided between Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire since 1912. Marriage cert notes Duncan, deceased at tie of his sons marriage in 1856. So you can rule Hamilton out as his father and also there are no children named Hamilton in the line up of children for John and Isabella.
Is his mother still living at the time of his marriage as unfortunately no death of a Margaret Smith other name McArthur in Scotland
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Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate, 1856?
Do you know what ship they travelled on.
It is difficult to easily find the information you are giving when it is endless continuous text. It would be better with upper case for family names, and a separate line for each of children.
Hi Wivnehoe,Thanks for replying. the endless text is so people dont read between the lines. I f you give all of the information known at time of first post, people dont waste their time looking for what is already gathered by researcher. Robert Speirs was the witness it doesnt help a lot, but have been checking the 1841 and 1851 census for any clues of Spiers with a John McArthur born 1828 or have checked either side of that too. I already know the ship Broomielaw but that wouldnt help with my quest. I have everything from that point. Even checked the passenger list to see who else was on the vessel.
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Just a thought could John have come from Ireland without his parents
Hi Wendy,
I have actually entertained this thought myself. There are John McArthurs born 1828 or thereabouts on the census, but I am pretty sure I have ruled him out. My John mcArthur cannot b e in the 1861 census as theywerein Tasmania by 1857. so I only need check the 41 and 51. I have done this time again and have about 6. Without parents listed or most of the time on his own, hard to find right one. there is no date of birth on any document over here as yet. John died 13th April 1910. Was trying to find the Burial record from a funeral director but no luck so far. Isabella died 6 August 1914 at Patersonbia where they owned a farm.
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Just a thought could John have come from Ireland without his parents
Hi Wendy,
I have actually entertained this thought myself. There are John McArthurs born 1828 or thereabouts on the census, but I am pretty sure I have ruled him out. My John mcArthur cannot b e in the 1861 census as theywerein Tasmania by 1857. so I only need check the 41 and 51. I have done this time again and have about 6. Without parents listed or most of the time on his own, hard to find right one. there is no date of birth on any document over here as yet. John died 13th April 1910. Was trying to find the Burial record from a funeral director but no luck so far. Isabella died 6 August 1914 at Patersonbia where they owned a farm.
Ancestry have the cemetery record for John as the family trees have it linked to him my sub isn't world so can't access the actual image but the bit I could see states b about 1827 died at Patersonbia
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Just a thought could John have come from Ireland without his parents
Hi Wendy,
I have actually entertained this thought myself. There are John McArthurs born 1828 or thereabouts on the census, but I am pretty sure I have ruled him out. My John mcArthur cannot b e in the 1861 census as theywerein Tasmania by 1857. so I only need check the 41 and 51. I have done this time again and have about 6. Without parents listed or most of the time on his own, hard to find right one. there is no date of birth on any document over here as yet. John died 13th April 1910. Was trying to find the Burial record from a funeral director but no luck so far. Isabella died 6 August 1914 at Patersonbia where they owned a farm.
Ancestry have the cemetery record for John as the family trees have it linked to him my sub isn't world so can't access the actual image but the bit I could see states b about 1827 died at Patersonbia
I have been to the Patersonia Cemetary and have a plan of the cemetary and who is buried there etc. Have a photograph of the grave. John and Isabella plus their son Peter who was killed are all there in the one grave. I was told that the Burial record, can sometimes give more detail than the death cert. So would like to find that. i know the funeral directors, but no luck yet.
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Christina Stevenson other name Ormiston died in Cambuslang in 1877 aged 70
John Stevenson died in Cambuslang in 1871 aged 79
I can see the earlier post where the info was found on another tree.
They are the same couple who can be found on census returns in Cambuslang from 1841 through to 1871
I would be very surprised if John was not the son of George Stevenson and Mary Cochran !
at 1807 George and Mary were in Cambuslang and had 5 children in their household but, all were un named
George Stevenson died in Cambuslang 29 Jan 1829 followed by his wife on 25 Jul 1847.
I am also certain that another couple named Allan Stevenson and his wife Margaret Cochran were each a sibling to George and Mary.
Allan and Margaret are also in Cambuslang at 1807 with 2 un named children n the house
No death for Allan but Margaret died 25 Sep 1854.
Sticking my neck out again but, see the 1841 census in Bushy hill where George's widow is living/
I am certain that the 65 yr old Martha Stevenson in her home, is in fact Margaret, widow of Allan Stevenson
At 1851 Margaret is in Chapelton, Cambuslang aged 74.
There is no matching Margaret at 1841 and no matching Martha at 1851.
No Martha's in Mortcloth suggests that Margaret and Martha is the same person.
Margaret, widow of Allan died on 25 Sep 1854.
Stevenson deaths where mother's name shows as Cochran could be a child of either couple
I can also see that John and Christina's son George, was 13yrs old at 1841.
He does not appear again on any census.
A death is entered into the Mortcloth for:
George Stevenson, son of John died 30 Mar 1849
There are a number of deaths in the correct time period for Stevenson children with a father named John but, some of them are definitely the children of John Stevenson and Mary Brown.
Birth years for children of both Johns overlap which confirm they are different men.
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My suggestion about continuous text is about the presentation, not the substance of the information you are giving for use.
We don't want to read between the lines, but it would be helpful to see between the sentences.
(example anne_p, at reply#16)
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Orontes,
This should help with the family of John Stevenson and Christina Ormiston
1841: Cullochburn, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 45 Handloom Weaver & Army Pensioner
Christina Stevenson 30
George Stevenson 13
Isabella Stevenson 11
1841: Bushyhill
This is John's mother. Her death is recorded on Mortcloth 25 Jul 1847
Widw of Geo Stevenson 65
Easter Stevenson 5
Martha Stevenson 65
Margaret Stevenson 1mon
David Park 5
Margret Stevenson 1month
I suspect that that 65yr old Martha is Margaret Cochran, widow of Allan Stevenson
1851: Bushyhill, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 58
Christina Stevenson 43
*Mary Stevenson 25 Daughter ( b 12 Mar 1826)
Jannet Stevenson 9 Daughter
John Stevenson 6 Son
Andrew Ormiston 46 Brother in law
Christina Campbell 1 Grand daughter
1861: Jabernacle Row, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 68
Christine Stevenson 54
Christina Campbell 11 Niece ( a grand daughter could be referred to as Niece)
1871; Chapelton, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 79
Christina Stevenson 63
As per reply 3, John died in 1871 and Christina in 1877
Return to 1851 census for John and Christina
*Mary Stevenson from this return married Robert Spiers in Rutherglen 1851.
Banns read in Rutherglen 29 Apr 1851
Census data after marriage has her matching profile and 1st daughter and 2nd son are named Christina and John
1861: Silverbanks, Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 34 Coal Miner B Rutherglen
Mary Spiers 35 wife B Cambuslang
*Christina Spiers 10 Daughter B Cambuslang (B 20 Nov 1851)
Janet Spiers 6 Daughter B Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 4 Son b Cambuslang
John Spiers 1 Son B Cambuslang
* Matching death index in Cambulang 1863 for Christina Spiers aged 12
child of same name born in 1867 to same parents and registered in Rutherglen
1871: Rose Bank, Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 43
Mary Spiers 44
Robert Spiers 13
John Spiers 11
James Spiers 6
Christina Spiers 4
Mary Spiers other name Stevenson age 65
Death registered Cambuslang 1890
Certificate will confirm parentage ( hopefully shows John and Christina)
EDIT:
I think I have worked out who Christina Campbell b 1850 was.
On the 1841 census there is an 11 yr old daughter of John and Christina, named Isabella Stevenson.
I can't locate Isabella again
The child named Christina from 1851 & 1861 censuses married Robert Black in Campsie, Stirling in 1869.
There are 2 children on Family Search for her
On the birth of her son John Black b 1870, her name is given as: Christina Stevenson Campbell.
Her 2nd child b 1873, her name is given as Christina Cambell but her daughter was named:
Isabella Stevenson Black.
It would seem that Christina was the child of John and Christina's daughter, Isabella Stevenson
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Christina Stevenson other name Ormiston died in Cambuslang in 1877 aged 70
John Stevenson died in Cambuslang in 1871 aged 79
I can see the earlier post where the info was found on another tree.
They are the same couple who can be found on census returns in Cambuslang from 1841 through to 1871
I would be very surprised if John was not the son of George Stevenson and Mary Cochran !
at 1807 George and Mary were in Cambuslang and had 5 children in their household but, all were un named
George Stevenson died in Cambuslang 29 Jan 1829 followed by his wife on 25 Jul 1847.
I am also certain that another couple named Allan Stevenson and his wife Margaret Cochran were each a sibling to George and Mary.
Allan and Margaret are also in Cambuslang at 1807 with 2 un named children n the house
No death for Allan but Margaret died 25 Sep 1854.
Sticking my neck out again but, see the 1841 census in Bushy hill where George's widow is living/
I am certain that the 65 yr old Martha Stevenson in her home, is in fact Margaret, widow of Allan Stevenson
At 1851 Margaret is in Chapelton, Cambuslang aged 74.
There is no matching Margaret at 1841 and no matching Martha at 1851.
No Martha's in Mortcloth suggests that Margaret and Martha is the same person.
Margaret, widow of Allan died on 25 Sep 1854.
Stevenson deaths where mother's name shows as Cochran could be a child of either couple
I can also see that John and Christina's son George, was 13yrs old at 1841.
He does not appear again on any census.
A death is entered into the Mortcloth for:
George Stevenson, son of John died 30 Mar 1849
There are a number of deaths in the correct time period for Stevenson children with a father named John but, some of them are definitely the children of John Stevenson and Mary Brown.
Birth years for children of both Johns overlap which confirm they are different men.
Thank you Anne, That is very helpful. I am in the process of obtaining the originals from Scotlands people at our local genie society and will purchase copies of the deaths etc of John and Christiana deaths on saturday.
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Orontes,
This should help with the family of John Stevenson and Christina Ormiston
1841: Cullochburn, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 45 Handloom Weaver & Army Pensioner
Christina Stevenson 30
George Stevenson 13
Isabella Stevenson 11
1841: Bushyhill
This is John's mother. Her death is recorded on Mortcloth 25 Jul 1847
Widw of Geo Stevenson 65
Easter Stevenson 5
Martha Stevenson 65
Margaret Stevenson 1mon
David Park 5
Margret Stevenson 1month
I suspect that that 65yr old Martha is Margaret Cochran, widow of Allan Stevenson
1851: Bushyhill, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 58
Christina Stevenson 43
*Mary Stevenson 25 Daughter ( b 12 Mar 1826)
Jannet Stevenson 9 Daughter
John Stevenson 6 Son
Andrew Ormiston 46 Brother in law
Christina Campbell 1 Grand daughter
1861: Jabernacle Row, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 68
Christine Stevenson 54
Christina Campbell 11 Niece ( a grand daughter could be referred to as Niece)
1871; Chapelton, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 79
Christina Stevenson 63
As per reply 3, John died in 1871 and Christina in 1877
Return to 1851 census for John and Christina
*Mary Stevenson from this return married Robert Spiers in Rutherglen 1851.
Banns read in Rutherglen 29 Apr 1851
Census data after marriage has her matching profile and 1st daughter and 2nd son are named Christina and John
1861: Silverbanks, Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 34 Coal Miner B Rutherglen
Mary Spiers 35 wife B Cambuslang
*Christina Spiers 10 Daughter B Cambuslang (B 20 Nov 1851)
Janet Spiers 6 Daughter B Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 4 Son b Cambuslang
John Spiers 1 Son B Cambuslang
* Matching death index in Cambulang 1863 for Christina Spiers aged 12
child of same name born in 1867 to same parents and registered in Rutherglen
1871: Rose Bank, Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 43
Mary Spiers 44
Robert Spiers 13
John Spiers 11
James Spiers 6
Christina Spiers 4
Mary Spiers other name Stevenson age 65
Death registered Cambuslang 1890
Certificate will confirm parentage ( hopefully shows John and Christina)
EDIT:
I think I have worked out who Christina Campbell b 1850 was.
On the 1841 census there is an 11 yr old daughter of John and Christina, named Isabella Stevenson.
I can't locate Isabella again
The child named Christina from 1851 & 1861 censuses married Robert Black in Campsie, Stirling in 1869.
There are 2 children on Family Search for her
On the birth of her son John Black b 1870, her name is given as: Christina Stevenson Campbell.
Her 2nd child b 1873, her name is given as Christina Cambell but her daughter was named:
Isabella Stevenson Black.
It would seem that Christina was the child of John and Christina's daughter, Isabella Stevenson
Hi Anne,
I note you have soved who Robert Spiers was for me. He was witness on John McArthur a and Isabella Stevenson marriage certificate. So he was Isabellas brother in law. Thought he may have been a work mate of Johns. Now you have said Christina was the child of John and Christina Stevenson, daughter, Isabella Stevenson. No. Isabella Stevenson was married in 18567 and they went straight away within a fortnight to Tasmania and never returned to Scotland. I have everything from that time on John and Isabellas life. but you have been very helpful I did have the Census but not the other details you have given, re; marriages and deaths. Thanks for that.
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Orontes,
I still think that Christina Campbell was the child of Isabella Stevenson who later married John McArthur
As Isabella married and emigrated after the birth, I would assume that she left the 5/6 yr old child behind.
I assume that Isabella and John McArthur did not have a child named Christina after Isabella's mother?
That seems odd unless, Isabella aready had a child of this name?
The mother can be confirmed....
The 1869 marriage of Christina Campbell to Robert Black in Campsie, or her death certificate.
Christina Black maiden name Campbell died in Campsie, Stirlingshire in 1880 aged 28yrs.
Her death cert should also name her mother and, if known, whether she was still living or deceased.
Either record could also provide the mother's current married name.
Ormiston
On all census returns except 1871, Christina Stevenson (Ormiston) states she was born in Cambuslang.
At 1871 it altered to Glasgow.
Based on her given age, she was born circa 1808.
I hold a copy of the 1807 census for Cambuslang plus a copy of the full Mortcloth entries.
There is not a single person in Cambuslang at 1807 named Ormiston (or variant)
Likewise, the Mortcloth records run from mid 1700's through to 1854 and there are no Ormiston (or variant) death entries in the entire record
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Anne,
John McArthur and his wife only had three daughters they were the first three born. Isabella, after herself, Margaret after Johns mother and Mary after Isabellas eldest sister. the next six children of John and Isabella were boys.
I think Isabella was with child at the time of her marriage to John McArthur as Isabella the first born was born August 1857 and john and Isabella were married 2 December, on the ship 15th December sailing to Tasmania.
Now I have no reason whatsoever to discount what you are saying that Christina Campbell was Isabellas child, so I will make a check in Scotlands people and let you know the outcome, however, I dont think so. I think I saw Isabella in another census in 1851 as a nurse. I will have to look for that entry as I made a search knowing she would have to be in one as she never left Scotland until december 1856 as a McArthur. Both John and Isabella could read and write according to the ships manifest.There is a possibility that the child belongs to Christian Stevenson the second last born of John and Chirstina Stevenson nee Ormiston.
Mary Stevenson 26 Mar Cambuslang " "
George Stevenson birth 112 Feb 1828 Cambuslang
Isobel/Isabella 22 Jun 1830 "
Christian Stevenson 12 October 1832 Cambuslang
Andrew Stevenson 2 Mar 1835 Cambuslang
Remember that Isabella Stevenson met John McArthur in Cathcart, Renfrewshire, where they were both working at the time of marriage back in Cambuslang her home town. No idea about his. So she has gone there at some time before the 1851 census.
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Orontes,
I still think that Christina Campbell was the child of Isabella Stevenson who later married John McArthur
As Isabella married and emigrated after the birth, I would assume that she left the 5/6 yr old child behind.
I assume that Isabella and John McArthur did not have a child named Christina after Isabella's mother?
That seems odd unless, Isabella aready had a child of this name?
The mother can be confirmed....
The 1869 marriage of Christina Campbell to Robert Black in Campsie, or her death certificate.
Christina Black maiden name Campbell died in Campsie, Stirlingshire in 1880 aged 28yrs.
Her death cert should also name her mother and, if known, whether she was still living or deceased.
Either record could also provide the mother's current married name.
Ormiston
On all census returns except 1871, Christina Stevenson (Ormiston) states she was born in Cambuslang.
At 1871 it altered to Glasgow.
Based on her given age, she was born circa 1808.
I hold a copy of the 1807 census for Cambuslang plus a copy of the full Mortcloth entries.
There is not a single person in Cambuslang at 1807 named Ormiston (or variant)
Likewise, the Mortcloth records run from mid 1700's through to 1854 and there are no Ormiston (or variant) death entries in the entire record
Anne, I think that maybe in those earlier censu like 1807, you have a copy of. they would have been Land owners, head of households. I dont think farm workers etc would have shown u pn it.
Does the Mortcloth records you have come on a CD that can be purchased. It would be a interesting CD to own.
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Orontes,
The child named Christian/Christina b 1832 could not be the mother.
She died on 5 Aug 1840.
The Mortcloth book is available to purchase from Lanarkshire Family History Society (LFHS)
I have a copy.
It contains just 17 individuals named Stevenson.
Earliest death is a child named Andrew who died in 1798
The latest one is Margaret Stevenson ( Cochran) who died on 25 Sep 1854
She was the widow of Allan Stevenson and I am certain that there is a familial connection, either on the Stevenson or Cochran side ( possibly both)
I am also sure that she is the 65yr old Martha Stevenson who is in the 1841 household with John's mother and is Margaret Stevenson found on the 1851 census with her own family.
There are Park children on both of these returns
I believe her daughter named Elizabeth Stevenson married David Park.
EDIT
The child named Christina Campbell had one daughter only.
She named her Isabella Stevenson Black
As you know, a first daughter is usually named for her maternal grandmother
I know who this girl married etc but, will leave that for now, until her mother's parentage is clarified
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Orontes,
The child named Christian/Christina b 1832 could not be the mother.
She died on 5 Aug 1840.
The Mortcloth book is available to purchase from Lanarkshire Family History Society (LFHS)
I have a copy.
It contains just 17 individuals named Stevenson.
Earliest death is a child named Andrew who died in 1798
The latest one is Margaret Stevenson ( Cochran) who died on 25 Sep 1854
She the widow of Allan Stevenson and I am certain that there is a familial connection, either on the Stevenson or Cochran side ( possibly both)
I am also sure that she is the 65yr old Martha Stevenson who is in the 1841 household with John's mother and is Margaret Stevenson found on the 1851 census with her own family.
There are Park children on both of these returns
I believe her daughter named Elizabeth Stevenson married David Park.
EDIT
The child named Christina Campbell had one daughter only.
She named her Isabella Stevenson Black
I know who this girl married etc but, will leave that for now, until her mother's parentage is clarified
Thanks again Anne, I must go do some housework. We are speaking to eachother from opposite sides of the world, morning here.It is handy to have the deaths of course as you can get really carried away, trying to find marriages births etc for a person, but they may have died some time before. I usually always look for a death if I cannot find the person. that or they immigrated or went into the military. Will let you know the outcome on Saturday. Isabella Stevenson was 22 when that child Christina Campbell was born.
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Orontes,
Did you find this?
Marriage of Andrew Ormiston and Bethia Balfour ( Bethia is a variant of Elizabeth)
Banns: 6 Oct 1793 Barony
Children on SP born to Andrew Ormiston and Elizabeth Balfour
Christian: 7 Jun 1807 Gorbals
Jane Douglas: 10 Oct 1813 Gorbals
From the 1851 census in Cambuslang, you already know that there was an older child named Andrew Ormiston entered as age 46.
Born circa 1895, which is around 2 yrs after parents married
Christian & her sister were born 12yrs & 20yr respectively, after their parents marriage.
There are probably other children where the baptism entries have not survived
However, it seems odd that John & Christina Stevenson do not appear to have a child named for Christina's mother
Looking at the Stevenson births between 1826 and 1835, there isn't an obvious gap where a daughter with this name would fit in?
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Hi .I'm following this with interest as my grandmother was a Stevenson from Cambuslang and my great grandfather Andrew Kyle was born at " silverbanks" which i.m told was only a few houses in 1832
Our Stevenson's were mostly miners and weavers in 1800.s ...
The furthest back I go is Charles Stevenson b1784 married jean Morrison b1786
Maybe his father was Williamb1754 married to Mary
But I can't match names or dates to any you've mentioned .they all had big families
Good luck with your hunting !
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Brigidmac,
I am also interested in the name Kyle from East Kilbride and Cambuslang but none of my family were connected to coal mining
Although I cannot connect your Kyle family to mine, was your Andrew Kyle b 1832 born to parents named David and Janet?
Is so, according to all census info, this Andrew Kyle was living at Silverbanks from 1861 onwards but, all census data states he was born in Rutherglen
He is found with his parents and siblings in Rutherglen at 1841
Andrew (Ramsay) Kyle was lodging in Rutherglen at 1851
His brother, William was living at Silverbanks, Cambuslang at 1851 with his wife and son but, all his siblings, except Andrew were in this household.
I think they were all children of David Kyle and Janet Robertson
Janet Robertson, relict of David Kyle is entered onto the Cambuslang Mortcloth dated 27 Apr 1850
All of the Kyle children, show Rutherglen as their place of birth.
John, William, David, Andrew, Robert, Alexander and Agness
There is one tree on Ancestry that follows David and his wife Janet Wardrop/Edmiston but, I am 100% certain this tree owner has allocated incorrect parents to David
The other thing to note : Silverbanks was not a single house.
It was a small area consisting of a number of properties.
There were 38 separate households in Silverbanks in 1851
( my gg grandfather is residing with his in laws in one of them)
Oh!
I see it now.
Andrew Kyle was married twice.
First to Agnes Glen in 1851
They had sons named David b 1852 and John B 1855
Agnes Glen died in 1855
Andrew then married Christina Fleming in 1856
Daughter born 28 Dec 1861 from 2nd marriage was called :Janet Robertson Kyle
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Anne p
Yes thats my Andrew Ramsay Kyle ... There is a cousin with the same name its easy to confuse them .
Our Andrew Kyle b 1832 was a coalminer in 187
he became a spirit merchant by 1881 after a mining accident
His first wife Agnes GLEN was a seamstress
John and David b1852 were their sons
Second wife Christina
was mother of Jane or Jeanie Kyle who married my great grandfather
Malcolm MacDermid
* Wierdly my notes have jean Kyle born in 1864 and I have 3 sources so will check
She never used a middle name in any of our records !
Several of the trees have the right children .some even have half brothers mentined
But some match with wrong parents
I.m going to have to check .
there were also some cousin marriages which confuses things further
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Anne p
Re Andrew R Kyle b1832-1881 spirit merchant
Children with wife Agnes were
David b 1852 named after paternal grandfather David
John b 1855 after maternal grandfather John GLEN
Children With Christine FLEMING
James Kyle 1859
Janet Robertson Kyle b1860 ...*earlier child deceased ?
Robertson name comes from Christine's mother
Jeanie Kyle 1864-1920 my ggmother had 10 children was she named after agneses mother ??
Agnes Brown Kyle 1868 I think it was respectful to name a child after first wife and the Brown name occurs in a previous generation
Christina Kyle 1871 mothers name for 3rd daughter
Isabelle Kyle 1872. ??
Mary Kyle 1876 ?
Andrew Kyle 1876 for his father .
Maybe you could pm me so we could work out the connection s rather than hijacking this post
My trees on ancestry are open
I've actually been linked by DNA to my great aunt Jean Kyle MacDermid.s descendants in New Zealand.
All very exciting i.m meeting up with my aunt tomorrow who was her neice
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Bridgid,
Robertson may be a name from Christina Fleming's family but Janet Robertson was Andrew's mother.
The child born in 1861 was named exactly for his mother.
Janet Robertson Kyle
The child you refer to as Jeanie Kyle:
Birth name was: Jane Kyle b 14 Jun 1863
Children born to Andrew from both marriages are on family search
Who is the cousin that Andrew is confused with?
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I didnt have andrews mothers name
Thanks for that information
Christina s mother was elizabeth ROBERTSON
And i seem to remember a mary BROWN maybe a great grandmother
I find ancestry harder to search on .
scotlandspeople has changed its format since i used it last year .
its good to see the documents in original form .
So much information
I will make note of occupations of Stevensons
Out of interest what occupations did your families have ?
Stevensons &
Kyles
My Macdermids were cloth lappers and bleachfield workers for 3 generations
My grandad s generation escaped those proffessions eventually
Becoming a shoemaker .clerk in a garden nursery .a funeral worker .grocers clerk .
the girls were seamstresses .bleach workers a waitress and an umbrella maker .
Grandad ran away to sea joined navy aged 17 .
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Orontes,
Did you find this?
Marriage of Andrew Ormiston and Bethia Balfour ( Bethia is a variant of Elizabeth)
Banns: 6 Oct 1793 Barony
Children on SP born to Andrew Ormiston and Elizabeth Balfour
Christian: 7 Jun 1807 Gorbals
Jane Douglas: 10 Oct 1813 Gorbals
From the 1851 census in Cambuslang, you already know that there was an older child named Andrew Ormiston entered as age 46.
Born circa 1895, which is around 2 yrs after parents married
Christian & her sister were born 12yrs & 20yr respectively, after their parents marriage.
There are probably other children where the baptism entries have not survived
However, it seems odd that John & Christina Stevenson do not appear to have a child named for Christina's mother
Looking at the Stevenson births between 1826 and 1835, there isn't an obvious gap where a daughter with this name would fit in?
Hi Anne,
I have been to Family History Society today and our Librarian help me search for our Stevenson's family. You have opened a can of worms.
It looks very likely that Christina Campbell born c1850 was in fact our Isabella Stevenson's illegitimate child. Though it has posed another question.
Just to recap.
In 1841 at Cullochburn, Cambuslang
John Stevenson 45,
Christina Stevenson 30
George Stevenson 13
Isabella Stevenson 11
In 1851 Bushyhill, Cambuslang,
John Stevenson 58
Christina Stevenson 43
Mary 25 dau
Janet 9 dau
John 6 son
Andrew Ormiston 46 brother in law
CHRISTINA CAMPBELL 1,born Cambuslang, Grand daughter in 1861 Christina is down as neice which of course we know can be exchanged with granddaughter.
As per your request, I have the marriage and the death of Christina Campbell.
Marr took place 8th October, Torrance, Campsie, Stirling to Robert Black, fireman in Coal Pit. Her father was William Campbell, Farmer, Mother Isabella Campbell. Maiden Surname Stevenson. No marriage found to this couple. Christina was 19. After Banns in Church of Scotland. witnesses Arthur Black and ? Nish.
Christina Black nee Campbell's death. 4th May 4.15 am, Crosshill, Lennoxtown, Campsie, Stirling. Father. William Campbell (Reputed) Cattle Dealer. Mother Isabella Stevenson, Domestic Servant (Now married to William McArthur (Farmer)
Here lies the problem. Our Isabella Stevenson married John McArthur, not a William McArthur. However, everything points to this Christina Campbell from the 1851/1861 census to this death of Christina Black nee Campbell being the daughter of Isabella Stevenson. The Librarian thinks that maybe the informant at death Christina's brother in law Gavin Black of Torrance, has given wrong name, but I would need more proof, before I would record it as fact. The Librarian looked for all records to do with a marriage for a Isabella Stevenson to a William McArthur, anywhere in Scotland but couldn't find one, but then again, she couldn't find the marriage of a Isabella Stevenson to a John McArthur either. I have the certificate for many years of that marriage.
Could be the reason why she didn't bring the child with her is because her father William Campbell, wouldn't allow it. It appears as if he has acknowledged himself from the birth to death as her father. Mentioned on census, marriage and death as M.S.Campbell.
I have never been able to find the birth or baptism of a John McArthur, born to a Duncan McArthur and a Margaret McArthur nee Smith as per his marriage certificate. Or any other child to that couple.
We have three children born to Christina and Robert Black nee Campbell so far,and she has named one in 1870 Christina Stevenson Black, in 1870 John Black and in 1879 Christina Ormiston Black. That seems to tie in with the Stevenson and Ormiston family. So apart from the husband who I know to be John and he died a John McArthur not William. Everything else ties in. Our line here is a William McArthur, I think he was named after John Stevenson's brother William, who you told me died in 1854.
John McArthur died at his farm in Patersonia, Tasmania in 13th April 1910 and Isabella McArthur nee Stevenson died Patersonia, 1st August, 1914, they were both in their 80's, so I wonder if any of the Black children ever came over.
I see I already had Robert Spiers as the husband of Mary on my chart 29 Apr 1851, but never connected himto the witness on marriage cert of John and Isabella McArthur nee Stevenson.. On my chart I had Christian death August 1846 aged 14 and Andrews death 7 march 1836. the two younger children Janet and john, I havent listed them.
Isabella Stevenson daughter
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Anne p
Re Andrew R Kyle b1832-1881 spirit merchant
Children with wife Agnes were
David b 1852 named after paternal grandfather David
John b 1855 after maternal grandfather John GLEN
Children With Christine FLEMING
James Kyle 1859
Janet Robertson Kyle b1860 ...*earlier child deceased ?
Robertson name comes from Christine's mother
Jeanie Kyle 1864-1920 my ggmother had 10 children was she named after agneses mother ??
Agnes Brown Kyle 1868 I think it was respectful to name a child after first wife and the Brown name occurs in a previous generation
Christina Kyle 1871 mothers name for 3rd daughter
Isabelle Kyle 1872. ??
Mary Kyle 1876 ?
Andrew Kyle 1876 for his father .
Maybe you could pm me so we could work out the connection s rather than hijacking this post
My trees on ancestry are open
I've actually been linked by DNA to my great aunt Jean Kyle MacDermid.s descendants in New Zealand.
All very exciting i.m meeting up with my aunt tomorrow who was her neice
Hi Brigid,
The Witness at the death of our John Stevenson in Cambuslang 26th November 1871 was a William Robertson, son in law, residing at Cluny Cottages, Pitlochry, Blair Athol. He may be part of your Robertson family. The only living female he could have been husband to was Jannet Stevenson aged 9 in 1851 census, Cambuslang.
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Orontes,
I guss that the facts speak for themselves.
Christina Campbell was the daugter of Isabella Stevenson and Grand daughter of Christina Stevenson Ms Ormiston.
Christina Campbell married and had 2 daughters.
One named for her mother: Isabella Stevenson and the other named for her grandmother: Christina Ormiston.
When Christina Black MS Campbell died, her brother in law knew that Christina's mother had the maiden name of Isabella Stevenson and that she was now Mrs McArthur.
He simply thought the Mcarthur husband was called William rather than John
The other way to look at this is:
John Stevenson and Christina Ormiston had just one daughter named Isabella who married John McArthur.
You know that Christina Campbell was Isabella's own child who was born before this marriage
You also know that Christina Campbell was the gran daughter of Christina Stevenson Ms Ormiston
From her marriage and death, Christina Campbell is positively identified as Isabella's daughter
John Stevenson and Christina Ormiston did not have another daughter named Isabella who was also married to William McArthur
The child named Christina Ormiston Black died the same year that she was born.
At 1881, both of the other children, Isabella and John Black were living with their paternal grandparents.
In know that their father, Robert Black remarried and the child named Isabella Black also married later.
I am not sure where John went.
However, I will look again, and find the information on Isabella Black, her marriage and children.
I didn't retain the info that I found but, I do recall that I could not find her or her family at 1901.
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Orontes,
After the death of Christina Black Ms Campbell, her widower, Robert Black seems to have remarried.
Marriage of Robert Black to Annie Weir 1882 Baldernock
At 1891, Robert, his wife and 2 children are in Gorbals, Lanarkshire.
21yr old Isabella is with them but his daughter from his 2nd marriage was born in South Africa.
This looks correct:
Janet McLuckie Black b 25 Dec 1883 Beaconsfield, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Parents, Robert and Annie
1891:
Robert Black 42
Annie Black 41
*Isabella Black 21* b Torrance Stirlingshire
Janet Black 7 b Colony Cape
William Black 2 B Baldernock
Isabella Stevenson Black married Charles Miller in Dunoon in 1894
1901: 47 Gilbert Street, Glasgow
Charles Miller 37 b Whitburn Flour Miller
Isab Miller 31 b Torrance of Campsie
Christine Miller 3 b Glasgow
Robert Miller 2 B Glasgow
I remember now....
It wasn't the 1901 census that I couldn't find.
It's Isabella's death that I cannot locate
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Bridgid,
Robertson may be a name from Christina Fleming's family but Janet Robertson was Andrew's mother.
The child born in 1861 was named exactly for his mother.
Janet Robertson Kyle
The child you refer to as Jeanie Kyle:
Birth name was: Jane Kyle b 14 Jun 1863
Children born to Andrew from both marriages are on family search
Who is the cousin that Andrew is confused with?
Hi Anne and Brigid, On the same page of the marriage of Christina Campbell and Robert Black, 29th October 1869, there is a marriage for a Joseph b Robertson Bachelor his father was Andrew Robertson, and his wife was Elizabeth Robertson M.S Buchanan, deceased. Joseph married a Mary Gray, daughter of James Gray, took place Campsie, Stirling though. There may bea connection as our Christina came from Cambuslang but was married in Campsie, Stirling
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I didnt have andrews mothers name
Thanks for that information
Christina s mother was elizabeth ROBERTSON
And i seem to remember a mary BROWN maybe a great grandmother
I find ancestry harder to search on .
scotlandspeople has changed its format since i used it last year .
its good to see the documents in original form .
So much information
I will make note of occupations of Stevensons
Out of interest what occupations did your families have ?
Stevensons &
Kyles
My Macdermids were cloth lappers and bleachfield workers for 3 generations
My grandad s generation escaped those proffessions eventually
Becoming a shoemaker .clerk in a garden nursery .a funeral worker .grocers clerk .
the girls were seamstresses .bleach workers a waitress and an umbrella maker .
Grandad ran away to sea joined navy aged 17 .
Brigid, Our Stevesnons were Cotton Weavers, Coal Miners like yours.
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Orontes,
I guss that the facts speak for themselves.
Christina Campbell was the daugter of Isabella Stevenson and Grand daughter of Christina Stevenson Ms Ormiston.
Christina Campbell married and had 2 daughters.
One named for her mother: Isabella Stevenson and the other named for her grandmother: Christina Ormiston.
When Christina Black MS Campbell died, her brother in law knew that Christina's mother had the maiden name of Isabella Stevenson and that she was now Mrs McArthur.
He simply thought the Mcarthur husband was called William rather than John
The other way to look at this is:
John Stevenson and Christina Ormiston had just one daughter named Isabella who married John McArthur.
You know that Christina Campbell was Isabella's own child who was born before this marriage
You also know that Christina Campbell was the gran daughter of Christina Stevenson Ms Ormiston
From her marriage and death, Christina Campbell is positively identified as Isabella's daughter
John Stevenson and Christina Ormiston did not have another daughter named Isabella who was also married to William McArthur
The child named Christina Ormiston Black died the same year that she was born.
At 1881, both of the other children, Isabella and John Black were living with their paternal grandparents.
In know that their father, Robert Black remarried and the child named Isabella Black also married later.
I am not sure where John went.
However, I will look again, and find the information on Isabella Black, her marriage and children.
I didn't retain the info that I found but, I do recall that I could not find her or her family at 1901.
Hi Anne,
Yes I came home from the library and spent several hours thrashing this about and seeing what I could find on the net, there was no way other than to accept what you did find on Christina Campbell. I have seen her on the 1851 census but would never have worried about following that line of research in finding her to be the illegitimate child of Isabella Stevenson. So thank you very much for that. Could be the missing Isabella death may be found over here, I will see if I can find a mention of her with her husband Charles Miller in Tasmania. You would think that one of the grandchildren of Isabella would be curious enough to go find their biological grandmother wouldnt you?
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I've just spent the day with the matriarch of our Stevenson descendants
She did a DNA test which I will post on Monday
I also recorded her talking about her grandmother ..the formidable Mary Hart McKay and her 4 daughters Peggy Polly ISA and jeanie
I have taken copies of old photos including maps and watercolour s of the cottages from 18O0
at Cambuslang
I zoomed in on faces and added them to my trees on Ancestry
I recorded my aunt telling the story of her grandfather s hand with fingers missing from a mining accident and how he never worked again and had to live of what his wife handed him from the file money
I think Oral histories are great .Orontes...are you interested in more about Cambuslang ..or do you just want to solve your mystery ...?
We had a lot of loom weavers too
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I can't post pic of the cottages ..size not compatible for attachments
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I've just spent the day with the matriarch of our Stevenson descendants
She did a DNA test which I will post on Monday
I also recorded her talking about her grandmother ..the formidable Mary Hart McKay and her 4 daughters Peggy Polly ISA and jeanie
I have taken copies of old photos including maps and watercolour s of the cottages from 18O0
at Cambuslang
I zoomed in on faces and added them to my trees on Ancestry
I recorded my aunt telling the story of her grandfather s hand with fingers missing from a mining accident and how he never worked again and had to live of what his wife handed him from the file money
I think Oral histories are great .Orontes...are you interested in more about Cambuslang ..or do you just want to solve your mystery ...?
We had a lot of loom weavers too
hi Brigid,
I have one photo of modern Day Cambuslang we took in 1989, would have loved one of the older ones. Did find some on the net, but was reluctant to use them because of copyright. Are the photos you have belonging to your Stevenson Matriach. Pity they werent printable. Love to hear more of Cambuslang. John Stevenson was a invalided soldier. I havent checked on his Military record as yet. His ioccupation Cotton Weaver. I would imagine, you would really have to watch your hands with the old machines back then.I have changed the heading to Stevensons families of Cambuslang. When in Scotland in 1998, we stayed at a Youth Hostel, it was part of the New Lanark Cotton Factory. All the WEavers Cottages were there and one of the Buildings was where the Youth Hostel was. A new Hotel had been builton the site as well in keeping with the other buildings. they looked new. Had all been cleaned up. There is a little Museum there as well. It tells stories of some of the Weavers.
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Orontes,
You may wish to have a look at this website:http://www.edwardboyle.com/EB/Cambuslang/History/Cambuslang%20Industries%20C%20Findlay.pdf
Now go to page 29 where you will find a map of Cambuslang dating from 1859.
At 1807, your ancestors, George Stevenson and Mary Coochrane lived in Sauchiebog which is located at the top right of the photograph.
They had 5 children at 1807 but sadly they are not named.
Therefore John had at least 4 siblings and if he was born after this census,then that number rises to 5.
We also know that at least one of them was called Andrew Stevenson b 18 May 1802
Another, born after the census was William Stevenson b 28 May 1812
The obvious railway line and station didn't exist at this time as it was opened in 1849.
By 1841, their son John, wife Christina Ormiston and family were living in Cullochburn which you can also locate on the opposite side of the current railway line.
This is where John's father died in 1829 ( see Below)
1851 they were at Bushyhill which is quite clear on the map.
This area of Cambuslang is also where my own ancestors originate.
It sits at the neighbouring Rutherglen end of the Parish
I created this for you:
Cambuslang Mortcloth
All Stevenson Entries
Blue are John's parents and red are his children.
Stevenson —— — 5 Feb 1830. Female child to Andrew Stevenson. No cloth. Still ( Stillbirth)
Stevenson ——— 25 Sep 1854. Widow of Allan Stevenson. Poor ( this is Margaret Cochran)
Stevenson. Andrew. 28 Jun 1798. A child, Chapelton
Stevenson, Andrew. 7 Apr 1836. Son of John Stevenson
Stevenson, Ann. 12 Oct 1835. Child of Andrew Stevenson
Stevenson, Catherine. 6 Mar 1831. Wife of Andrew Stevenson and a still born child.
Stevenson, Christina. 5 Aug 1840. Dau of John Stevenson
Stevenson, Elizabeth. 18 Jan 1814. Daughter of George Stevenson* Very possibly John's sister
Stevenson. George. 29 Jan 1829. Cullochburn
Stevenson, George 30 Mar 1849. Son of John Stevenson, Weaver
Stevenson, Janet. 14 May 1841. Insane (Pauper)
Stevenson, Janet. 8 Mar 1847. Daughter of John Stevenson, weaver
Stevenson, Janet, 7 Nov 1849. Daughter of John Stevenson. Poor
Stevenson, Margaret, 26 Jun 1815. Spouse of John Stevenson, Monkland
Stevenson, Margt. 29 Jan 1842. Wife of Jas Fyfe
Stevenson, Mary. 9 Jul 1840. Daughter of John Stevenson
Stevenson, Mary 26 Jan 1848. Wife of James Rankin, Weaver, Glasgow
Stevenson, Mary 25 Jul 1847. Relict of Geo Stevenson. Weaver
Note that there are 2 girls named Janet who died in 1847 and 1849.
We know that they were not the children of John Stevenson and Christina Ormiston
They seem to be children born to a John Stevenson and Margaret Lochhead.
There was another couple named John Stevenson and Mary Brown
Based on the names of the children, this John was the son of Allan Stevenson and Margaret Cochran.
I am fairly certain the George and Allan Stevenson were brothers and that their parents were possibly called John Stevenson and Margaret Gibb who married in 1766 ( banns read 12 Apr 1766)
Allan Stevenson and Margaret Cochran:Marriage Banns read 12 Mar 1790
3 children on 1807 census at East Cotes
George Stevenson and Mary Cochran: Marriage Banns Read 4 Nov 1791
5 children on 1807 census at Sauchiebog
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Orontes,
You may wish to have a look at this website:http://www.edwardboyle.com/EB/Cambuslang/History/Cambuslang%20Industries%20C%20Findlay.pdf
Now go to page 29 where you will find a map of Cambuslang dating from 1859.
At 1807, your ancestors, George Stevenson and Mary Coochrane lived in Sauchiebog which is located at the top right of the photograph.
They had 5 children at 1807 but sadly they are not named.
Therefore John had at least 4 siblings and if he was born after this census,then that number rises to 5.
We also know that at least one of them was called Andrew Stevenson b 18 May 1802
Another, born after the census was William Stevenson b 28 May 1812
The obvious railway line and station didn't exist at this time as it was opened in 1849.
By 1841, their son John, wife Christina Ormiston and family were living in Cullochburn which you can also locate on the opposite side of the current railway line.
This is where John's father died in 1829 ( see Below)
1851 they were at Bushyhill which is quite clear on the map.
This area of Cambuslang is also where my own ancestors originate.
It sits at the neighbouring Rutherglen end of the Parish
I created this for you:
Cambuslang Mortcloth
All Stevenson Entries
Blue are John's parents and red are his children.
Stevenson —— — 5 Feb 1830. Female child to Andrew Stevenson. No cloth. Still ( Stillbirth)
Stevenson ——— 25 Sep 1854. Widow of Allan Stevenson. Poor ( this is Margaret Cochran)
Stevenson. Andrew. 28 Jun 1798. A child, Chapelton
Stevenson, Andrew. 7 Apr 1836. Son of John Stevenson
Stevenson, Ann. 12 Oct 1835. Child of Andrew Stevenson
Stevenson, Catherine. 6 Mar 1831. Wife of Andrew Stevenson and a still born child.
Stevenson, Christina. 5 Aug 1840. Dau of John Stevenson
Stevenson, Elizabeth. 18 Jan 1814. Daughter of George Stevenson* Very possibly John's sister
Stevenson. George. 29 Jan 1829. Cullochburn
Stevenson, George 30 Mar 1849. Son of John Stevenson, Weaver
Stevenson, Janet. 14 May 1841. Insane (Pauper)
Stevenson, Janet. 8 Mar 1847. Daughter of John Stevenson, weaver
Stevenson, Janet, 7 Nov 1849. Daughter of John Stevenson. Poor
Stevenson, Margaret, 26 Jun 1815. Spouse of John Stevenson, Monkland
Stevenson, Margt. 29 Jan 1842. Wife of Jas Fyfe
Stevenson, Mary. 9 Jul 1840. Daughter of John Stevenson
Stevenson, Mary 26 Jan 1848. Wife of James Rankin, Weaver, Glasgow
Stevenson, Mary 25 Jul 1847. Relict of Geo Stevenson. Weaver
Note that there are 2 girls named Janet who died in 1847 and 1849.
We know that they were not the children of John Stevenson and Christina Ormiston
They seem to be children born to a John Stevenson and Margaret Lochhead.
There was another couple named John Stevenson and Mary Brown
Based on the names of the children, this John was the son of Allan Stevenson and Margaret Cochran.
I am fairly certain the George and Allan Stevenson were brothers and that their parents were possibly called John Stevenson and Margaret Gibb who married in 1766 ( banns read 12 Apr 1766)
Allan Stevenson and Margaret Cochran:Marriage Banns read 12 Mar 1790
3 children on 1807 census at East Cotes
George Stevenson and Mary Cochran: Marriage Banns Read 4 Nov 1791
5 children on 1807 census at Sauchiebog
Thankyou very much Anne. I will look at that website shortly. Thank you for the Mort cloth records I appreciate that. I think the Mary in Blue relict to George would have to be Mary Cochrane. Will obtain a copy of the banns of marriage from Scotlands People of George and mary Stevenson on Saturday if I can book a place on computer.
I am surprised the amount of detail on the 1897 Census of Cambuslang. I never thought there would be that much. There seems to be so much more detail on the Scottish earlier censuses.
I have informed the family of your findings re Christina Campbell. Thanks again.
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Hello.
I am a direct descendant of Jessie Hamilton Buchanan Spiers, who I believe you have listed as Janet Spiers in the 1861 Census (refer below). I have a copy of her birth certificate. She was born to Robert Spiers and Mary Stevenson on 26th October 1855 at Chapelforte in Cambuslang. She is my great grandmother. My Aunt was named Jessie Speirs in remembrance of her grandmother. (Unfortunately they spelt the Speirs incorrectly!). I have a photo of Jessie and her husband, James Miller Stevenson, if you are interested.
1861: Silverbanks, Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 34 Coal Miner B Rutherglen
Mary Spiers 35 wife B Cambuslang
*Christina Spiers 10 Daughter B Cambuslang (B 20 Nov 1851)
Janet Spiers 6 Daughter B Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 4 Son b Cambuslang
John Spiers 1 Son B Cambuslang
Fay
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No correct way of spelling Spiers/Speirs, ;D
Skoosh.
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Hi Fay,Lovely to meet you albeit over the net. I am deep in dna results with my daughter whose father the McArthur and Stevensons are. You have just written in time for me to add names to check against dna matches for her. she is 42. Have any of your Stevenson or Spiers had their dna tested. Have you also been following Anne-P and seen where she has found a illegitimate daughter Christina Campbell, daughter of Isabella Stevenson. Christina born 1850, You can follow Anne and my conversations I would think. Back in February. Haven't got back to Anne_P but hopefully she can see this reply. I contacted an in law of Christina Black nee Campbell through Genes Reunited. He lives mainland Australia and we have exchanged certificates of Christina's family of Black. We both purchased from Scotland's People. Now to have you contact me re Mary Stevenson's family of Spier's that is great and the photos would be lovely. I still haven't a photo of John and Isabella but have bits and peice's from the newspaper. I have death certificates of both John and Isabella, their marriage certificate, where they lived in Tasmania and grave stone at Patersonia, in Tasmania where hey loved and died. I am in the process of putting up more of John Stevenson's family so now I can add Marys line, but i havent got her children's births dates as yet. Probably could find them on Scotland's people. Did my daughters dna on ancestry, so have joined that as well in order to see results. Thanks for being in touch Fay, I am Edie.
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Hi Fay,Lovely to meet you albeit over the net. I am deep in dna results with my daughter whose father the McArthur and Stevensons are. You have just written in time for me to add names to check against dna matches for her. she is 42. Have any of your Stevenson or Spiers had their dna tested. Have you also been following Anne-P and seen where she has found a illegitimate daughter Christina Campbell, daughter of Isabella Stevenson. Christina born 1850, You can follow Anne and my conversations I would think. Back in February. Haven't got back to Anne_P but hopefully she can see this reply. I contacted an in law of Christina Black nee Campbell through Genes Reunited. He lives mainland Australia and we have exchanged certificates of Christina's family of Black. We both purchased from Scotland's People. Now to have you contact me re Mary Stevenson's family of Spier's that is great and the photos would be lovely. I still haven't a photo of John and Isabella but have bits and peice's from the newspaper. I have death certificates of both John and Isabella, their marriage certificate, where they lived in Tasmania and grave stone at Patersonia, in Tasmania where hey loved and died. I am in the process of putting up more of John Stevenson's family so now I can add Marys line, but i havent got her children's births dates as yet. Probably could find them on Scotland's people. Did my daughters dna on ancestry, so have joined that as well in order to see results. Thanks for being in touch Fay, I am Edie.
Hello.
I am a direct descendant of Jessie Hamilton Buchanan Spiers, who I believe you have listed as Janet Spiers in the 1861 Census (refer below). I have a copy of her birth certificate. She was born to Robert Spiers and Mary Stevenson on 26th October 1855 at Chapelforte in Cambuslang. She is my great grandmother. My Aunt was named Jessie Speirs in remembrance of her grandmother. (Unfortunately they spelt the Speirs incorrectly!). I have a photo of Jessie and her husband, James Miller Stevenson, if you are interested.
1861: Silverbanks, Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 34 Coal Miner B Rutherglen
Mary Spiers 35 wife B Cambuslang
*Christina Spiers 10 Daughter B Cambuslang (B 20 Nov 1851)
Janet Spiers 6 Daughter B Cambuslang
Robert Spiers 4 Son b Cambuslang
John Spiers 1 Son B Cambuslang
Fay
Hi Fay, Have you seen anything about Marys sister Isabella and her husband John McArthur at all. Did they write home from Australia to Scotland. having trouble finding his mother Margaret Smith and reputed father Duncan McArthur. Duncan was deceased by Isabella Stevenson and John marriage 2 December 1856. John has no record to say where in Scotland he was born or the actual date ofhis birth and birthplace in 1828. Would any of your Stevenson family know that.
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Hi Orontes (Edie),
Apologies for the delay in responding. Unfortunately I do not know anything about Mary's sister, Isabella and her husband, John McArthur, nor do I know anyone who would be able to help you. I, myself, live in Victoria in Australia, but I doubt that would be much help!
Unfortunately I can't attach the pictures of Jessie Hamilton Buchanan Stevenson (born Speirs) and her husband James Miller Stevenson as the file size is too large and I don't know how to reduce it. Any ideas?
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Hi Orontes (Edie),
I've just found a photo of Jessie and James Miller Stevenson which meets the required file size. Refer attached!
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Here's another picture of Jessie H.B. Stevenson (ne Speirs) taken circa 1925-6. She was with my Dad and my Aunt. James had died by then (he died in 1922).
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Hi I'm interested hi the banks Cambuslang some of my relative was Stevenson I'd like to visit but just got on it's not in my immediate future but it's lovely to see those and the one that says Catriona is my aunt's and she's in her 90s thank you I'm audio dictating this
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Orontes,
Spotted your update.
So glad you were able confirm the info and continue with your research.
( haven't been on RC very much lately. Been working on my DNA results)
Good Luck
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Orontes,
Spotted your update.
So glad you were able confirm the info and continue with your research.
( haven't been on RC very much lately. Been working on my DNA results)
Good Luck
Hi Anne, Like yourself, I havent been on roots at all since February and like you am working on my dna and that of my daughter who has the Stevenson, Ormiston and McArthur etc dna. the Scottish lines. It is so time consuming. Hope you have some luck with yours. My English family is coming through for me and my daughter. Thanks for spotting Christina Campbell.
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Hi both
I missed out on the 3 free days of Ancestry was going to look for more links to.my aunuts dna on C Chaplin s sitems
We have identified some b children and grandchildren of her Cambuslangcousin s
I've put.my #detail on a on & will add when I can
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Hi both
I missed out on the 3 free days of Ancestry was going to look for more links to.my aunuts dna on C Chaplin s sitems
We have identified some b children and grandchildren of her Cambuslangcousin s
I've put.my #detail on a on & will add when I can
Hi Brigid who are your Stevensons in Cambuslang.I must add to the Stevenson tree on my dna tree on ancestry and will do one on myheritage for my daughter as well.
Edie
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My grandma Mary blain Stevenson b 1903 one of 3 daughters of Charles Stevenson miner turned alcohol distributor after an accident
On hol not got dates places with me .now it am after recent relatives who moved to France but I don't know marrI'd name .private message me if you are on Ancestry message me or Catriona and we will mlook at match and trees
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My grandma Mary blain Stevenson b 1903 one of 3 daughters of Charles Stevenson miner turned alcohol distributor after an accident
On hol not got dates places with me .now it am after recent relatives who moved to France but I don't know marrI'd name .private message me if you are on Ancestry message me or Catriona and we will mlook at match and trees
She would be born after our lot left for Australia. about 50 years in fact. I wondered if anyone in Cambuslang ever heard from from the family in Tasmania. Will private message you soon.
Edie
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Look forward to hearing from you soon.I will try and get my paper work in order .I know that my lot emigrated around 1930s with assisted passagesteering but may have known cousins already out there .
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My line is from Charles Stevenson born 1784 Barony ..married to Mary .
His father may be Alexander John Duncan Stevenson b1745
Dna matches show several distant cousins have surname Ormiston on their trees .
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Hello again
Update
Dna to my aunt whose mother was Mary Blain.
gmother was Mary mckay married Charles stevenson Shettleston miner
Has shown some links to GRAY names
And a lot to Shettleston with no mutual names so must be thru female line or illigitamacy
Also
Fionski and I have worked out that our grandmothers grandmothers were sisters .I.ve added her photo about 1912 of isabella and mary Blain girls with a cousin Effie ..maybe Stevenson on my tree
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The Gray's owned the pits in Shettleston, (Carntyne) & the Monkland canal was built to break their monopoly. Buried in the crypt of Glasgow Cathedral!
Skoosh.
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My sister mafe a list of all the mining accidents for Stevensons which could be ours
date is when accident occurred
Alexander 1861 dykehead
Alexander 1881 new monkland
James 1849 ormiston
John 1871 sumerlee
Mr syevenso 1900 carbans
Robert 1859
And robert 1934 Stirlingshire
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Hi,
I came across this post and saw quite a bit of good info. My STEVENSON family has been a problem. The oldest STEVENSON I am sure of is Thomas STEVENSON 1807? - 8 Jul 1876. His death certificate named his parents as Thomas STEVENSON and Margaret HOPKIRK. I could not find any record of these people and wondered if the information on his death certificate is incorrect.
After much searching I believe his parents were John STEVENSON and Margaret LOCHHEAD - they were married Nov 1797 in Carmunnoch and their children were:
William STEVENSON b. 1798 Carmunnoch
Elisabeth b. 1801 Cambuslang
John b. 1803 Cambuslang
Ann Hopkirk b. 1805 Barony
Thomas b. 1807 Glasgow
Barbara Hopkirk b. 1809 Barony
Henry B. 1811 Barony
Does anybody have any info on this John and Margaret LOCHHEAD STEVENSON? I am not having any luck in finding their death certificates.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
After much searching I believe his parents were John STEVENSON and Margaret LOCHHEAD
Unfortunately you can prove that they were not. See the attached extract from the death certificate of Thomas Stevenson, son of Thomas (probably an error for John) S and Margaret Lochhead.
However there must be a reason why two of the children of John S and Margaret Lochhead were given the middle name Hopkirk. Could their father John perhaps have been a brother of your Thomas Stevenson?
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On second thoughts ....
Thomas Stevenson and Elizabeth Sloan are in the 1861 census at Ardmalush, North Bute. Thomas' age is given as 46, which suggests he was born in 1814/1815, and he was born in North Bute, as were his children Thomas, 12; Elizabeth, 11 and James, 8. His wife was born in Renfrewshire.
There is a death of Elizabeth Stevenson, daughter of Thomas Stevenson and Janet Lochhead, in North Bute in 1879, and a James with the same parents in the same district in 1876.
So there seem to be three couples
John Stevenson and Margaret Lochhead, married in Carmunnock in 1797
Thomas Stevenson and Janet Lochhead, married in Neilston in 1798
Thomas Stevenson and Margaret Hopkirk.
Therefore the one in Bute is a red herring, for which my apologies.
Errors do occur on death certificates but could Thomas' son really have got his own mother's maiden surname and the given names of both his parents wrong?
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Thanks great to discuss this!
I noticed the other Stevenson - Lochhead couple in North Bute too.
And I wonder if the Margaret Hopkirk name on Thomas' death certificate was a red herring as perhaps as two of his Thomas' sisters had Hopkirk as a middle given name and his son wasn't sure of his gran's maiden name. (My mum on my gran's death certificate gave my gran's mother's name as Mary McGregor born Aberdeen when she was Louisa McGregor born Ayrshire)
I am not sure where HOPKIRK comes from - perhaps from living in Dalbeth and working on the Hopkirk estate?
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I wonder if the Margaret Hopkirk name on Thomas' death certificate was a red herring as perhaps as two of his Thomas' sisters had Hopkirk as a middle given name and his son wasn't sure of his gran's maiden name.
Very possible, but he also got his grandfather's given name wrong, which is more difficult to explain.
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I forgot to add that Thomas STEVENSON (1807? -1876) was married to Janet YOUNG and had the following children:
John Stevenson 1838 - ?
Alexander Stevenson 1840 - 1911
Thomas Stevenson 1843-1855
Margaret Stevenson 1845 - 1908
Janet Young Stevenson 1848-1851
Barbara Henry Stevenson 1850 - ?
Janet Stevenson 1856 - ?
The names match the traditional Scottish naming pattern if Thomas' father was John (Janet's father was Alexander)
I descend from Margaret Stevenson 1845 - 1908 (who curiously moved with her husband and children to Bute sometime between 1891 and 1901)