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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: sparkler on Sunday 28 January 18 15:19 GMT (UK)
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One of my ancestors, John King, is shown as being from Ireland in the 1841 and 1851 censuses, then suddenly, in 1861 he is a British Subject, born in Ostend. I can't believe that he would invent this as there's no reason to. He was a tailor and I don't know who is parents were.
If he really was born in Belgium it could be easier to find the rest of the family, I believed, but of course I'm having tremendous trouble and no luck so far.
Can anyone help me, please .
Incidentally I have all details of his children etc and it is just this birth that I need to solve as it may also lead me to his siblings and parents.
TIA
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There is no record of a King birth in the online index for births in Oostende between the years 1813 and 1823.
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Thank you so much for checking for me. I think I'd best take it that he was born in Ireland. He must have been drunk when he answered the questions. My only hope now is that he said he was from Oughterard or somewhere in Ireland that sounds like Ostend!
Thanks again
Kathy
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Who did he marry?
Does the marriage reg give further details ? If before Sept 1837 who were witnesses or post 1837 who was father named as??
Suz
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I haven't found the marriage. He married Bridget Drum/Doran, I believe. I've tried Rootsireland, Ancestry, FindMyPast, and can't find their marriage. Their first child was Ann, born in Sheffield in 1834 approx and then they went to Manchester. Births on GRO give Mother as Drum. They seem to have travelled quite a bit between Sheffield and Manchester, not sure why as he was a tailor.
I'm losing sleep over this!! DNA results haven't helped either :-(
Thanks for your interest
Kathy
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I wouldn't quite give up the Oostende theory altogeter Kathy as there were King's living in Oostende, albeit that they appear to pop up about 30 years after your John King. But where there is smoke there is fire (either that or a very heavy smoker! SMILES) so I will look into it further for you if you like.
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Lucked out unfortunately. No birth records between 1802-1813 and no King's in the 1814 census. Back to square one. ???
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Thanks for trying :-) I really appreciate it.
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There were King’s in Ostende around the time of John King’s birth and they had a link to the UK.
Richard/Richardus King d before Nov 1816 England, occupation: mariner
X 17-12-1787 Sint-Gillis (Bruges/Brugge)
Anne Jeanne Taijlor b abt 1774 Bruges/Brugge (?? very young for 1787 marriage!), d 18-11-1816 Ostende, daughter of Jean Taijlor and Marie Deweerdt
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Note: Anne’s parents were already dead in 1816, but did she come from a family of “tailleurs” (tailors) as her deceased father had been one … and, could this be the reason that John King was a tailor?
Source (Belgian transcripts)
Their 1787 Marriage:
Project: Parochieregisters Huwelijksakten - West-Vlaanderen
Type akte: Parochieregister / Huwelijksakte
Parochie: Sint-Gillis
Gemeente: Brugge
Inhoudsomschrijving: Parochie registers huwelijken
Aktedatum: 17-12-1787
Personen op deze akte
Bruid Naam: Anna Taylor
Bruidegom Naam: Richardus King
Anne’s 1816 death:
Project: Burgerlijke stand Overlijdensakten - West-Vlaanderen
Type akte: Burgerlijke Stand / Overlijdensakte
Gemeente: Oostende
Inhoudsomschrijving: Overlijdensakte
Aktedatum: 19-11-1816
Opmerkingen: Zij overleed gisteravond om 11 uur in het burgerlijk hospitaal,echtgenoot overleden in Engeland,vader overleden te Oostende,moeder te Brugge.
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Overledene
Naam: Anne Jeanne Taijlor
Geboorteplaats: Brugge
Leeftijd: 42 jaar 2 maanden 2 dagen
Woonplaats: Oosteeklo
Overlijdensplaats: Oostende
Vader overledene Naam: Jean Taijlor, Beroep: Kleermaker
Moeder overledene Naam: Marie Deweerdt
Partner van de overledene: Naam: Richard King, Beroep: Zeeman,
Burgelijke stand: Weduwe
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Death Certificate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GV1-98NM?i=82&cc=2139860 (bottom left)
Anne’s sister died in Ostende in 1812, but was born Corsham (G.B.) abt 1760. Her husband (ship’s captain Jean Chrétien Rincke) was a prisoner in England:
Project: Burgerlijke stand Overlijdensakten - West-Vlaanderen
Type akte: Burgerlijke Stand / Overlijdensakte
Gemeente: Oostende
Inhoudsomschrijving: Overlijdensakte
Aktedatum: 06-10-1812
Opmerkingen: Zij overleed deze morgen om 6 uur in het burgerlijk hospitaal, de echtgenoot was gevangene in Engeland,vader overleden te Oostende,moeder te Brugge.
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Overledene
Naam: Victoire Petronille Taijlor
Geboorteplaats: Corsham (G.B.)
Leeftijd: 51 jaar 11 maanden 22 dagen
Woonplaats: Oostende
Overlijdensplaats: Oostende
Vader overledene Naam: Jean Taijlor, Beroep: Kleermaker
Moeder overledene Naam: Marie Deweerdt,
Partner van de overledene Naam: Jean Chrétien Rincke, Beroep: Scheepskapitein
( I can’t find an Ostende birth certificate for John, but am wondering whether he might have been born in eg Bruges/Brugge )
rgds, Sylvia
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Thank you TreeSpirit, I wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance of understanding all of this. I can understand the Family Search doc as it's in French! but the rest is beyond me, so thanks for the explanation.
There is no mention of Ireland on this Ostend stuff, which I find a bit worrying as the roots were in Ireland not England. The Corsham , Wiltshire idea doesn't seem to fit.
I'll try to find something on Richard King, mariner in case this throws any light on the matter.
This is my mum's line and her DNA shows 85% Ireland and 11% Europe West, so perhaps this is her little bit of Europe!
Thanks so much for your time
Kathy
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I also found the King connection in Brugge but discarded it because Brugge is not Oostende and England is not Ireland plus the fact that there were no King's in Oostend in the 1814 census. However, there just HAS to be a reason as to why on the 1861 census his birth details suddenly changed. There's a mystery to be solved here........ Is it possible that on the previous 2 census he gave the misleading information????
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TreeSpirit, I found the Richard King, mariner, and there is no possibility that this is my family as he was nobility and mine are on the whole scavengers LOL, so I think i'll leave him out of my tree.
Thanks anyway :-[
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Nobility who married a humble tailor's daughter?