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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: paulmh on Sunday 28 January 18 16:01 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information regarding a Matthew Gibson. I have tried to find him in the 1871 census but so far have had no luck and turn to you for help.
Matthew was born in 1852, Wigan - I do not know who his parents are. My search suggests he died in 1887. In 1869 he married Emma Moore in Wigan. Together they had 5 children; James Thomas (b1874), Thomas Matthew (1875-1876), Charles (1879), Mary (1879) and William (1887).
The 1881 census says he was a Coal Miner and other than any other children they may have had, my next focus in this research is to find out his parents and where they were in 1871 census.
Thank you in advance for your help.
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If he was born in 1852 - have you looked in the 1861 census when he was only around 8/9yrs old?
Is he more likely to be the freebmd entry born Wigan 1849 - he would only have been 17 if he married in 1869. 1861 shows parents as Charles & Mary - coincidentally the names of 2 of his children
A copy of his marriage cert should show his fathers name. Lancashire BMD shows no church so it cannot be looked up in parish records
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If he was born in 1852 - have you looked in the 1861 census when he was only around 8/9yrs old?
Is he more likely to be the freebmd entry born Wigan 1849 - he would only have been 17 if he married in 1869. 1861 shows parents as Charles & Mary - coincidentally the names of 2 of his children
A copy of his marriage cert should show his fathers name. Lancashire BMD shows no church so it cannot be looked up in parish records
I had looked at FreeBMD but didn't see the one born 1849. Does than mean that his death is also incorrect? Emma is listed as a Widow in 1891 census.
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Does than mean that his death is also incorrect?
Information on a death cert is only as good as the info given by the person registering the death. My g/grandfathers death was registered by his daughter and she said he was 65 when he was actually 75
1881 shows birth year as 1852 as well but there are 2 x 1881 entries for Matthew Gibson born Wigan - yours and another born 1850
You really need to buy a copy of the marriage cert
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As Carole says you do need the marriage certificate.
It seems unusual that they married in 1869 but you have their first child in 1874.
If you check GRO or Lancashire BMD, there is a birth for Thomas Gibson with mmn Moore in 1871, March quarter.
There is this but may not be your family.
1871 3885/118/29
2 Union Street Wigan
Matthew Gibson 25 yrs Coal Labourer b Ireland
Emma Gibson 31 yrs b Chorley
Thomas Gibson 3 months b Wigan
Matthew Gibson 60 yrs b Ireland
Emma’s age might read 21 yrs.
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As Carole says you do need the marriage certificate.
It seems unusual that they married in 1869 but you have their first child in 1874.
If you check GRO or Lancashire BMD, there is a birth for Thomas Gibson with mmn Moore in 1871, March quarter.
There is this but may not be your family.
1871 3885/118/29
2 Union Street Wigan
Matthew Gibson 25 yrs Coal Labourer b Ireland
Emma Gibson 31 yrs b Chorley
Thomas Gibson 3 months b Wigan
Matthew Gibson 60 yrs b Ireland
Emma’s age might read 21 yrs.
It is unlikely to be these Gibson's and I am pretty 90% certain that I have the correct family even if his dob is slightly incorrect. I believe I worked it out from the 1881 census but to date its the only one I've been able to find him on. In 1891 Emma is listed as a Widow so all this tally's up and his youngest son William is my partners great grandfather.
I know they spent a lot of time in Lancashire region but have no knowledge of her ancestors living anywhere else - not that it's not impossible!
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It may seem unlikely but there is only one Matthew Gibson/Emma Moore marriage.
The birth of a Thomas in 1871 has a mother Moore.
There is this family in 1871 and we can’t find your couple as yet.
Emma in 1871 has a birthplace of Chorley.
Your Emma shows a birthplace Adlington.
Are these coincidences?
The only way really is to get the marriage certificate.
When you say you are 90% certain that you have the correct family, do you mean in 1881 or earlier?
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The Thomas that heywood found possibly died in infancy
Deaths Dec qtr 1873
Gibson Thomas age 2
Wigan 8c 27
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Yes that is what think re the death and later children have Thomas in their name too.
Apologies, I thought I had mentioned the death earlier.
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TheGenealogist site have
1861 Census Union Street Wigan
Matthew Gibson 55 Lab, b. Ireland
Matthew Gibson son. 17 b.Ireland
Mary Gibson dtr 19 b.Ireland
1851 census Union Street living with the Carr Family
Matthew Gibson 40 wid.farm lab b.Ireland
James son 16
Catherine dtr 20
Mary dtr 13
Matthew son 9
Charles son 26
Martha 2
Michael 2 b.Wigan
All other children b.Ireland
Chorley is only 3.1/2miles from Adlington.
Marj
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1861 with probably the Thomas who died age 2
Name Age
Matthew Gibson 25 - also born Ireland
Emma Gibson 31 - born Chorley (Adlington is Chorley)
Thomas Gibson 3 Months
Matthew Gibson 60 (father born Ireland)
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1861 with probably the Thomas who died age 2
Name Age
Matthew Gibson 25 - also born Ireland
Emma Gibson 31 - born Chorley (Adlington is Chorley)
Thomas Gibson 3 Months
Matthew Gibson 60 (father born Ireland)
Hi lancsann,
That is 1871 - see reply #4.
Hopefully paulmh might get the marriage certificate and let us know.
Heywood :)
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Whoops should have checked my typing. I meant 1871 as Thomas was born January 1871
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1861 with probably the Thomas who died age 2
Name Age
Matthew Gibson 25 - also born Ireland
Emma Gibson 31 - born Chorley (Adlington is Chorley)
Thomas Gibson 3 Months
Matthew Gibson 60 (father born Ireland)
Hi lancsann,
That is 1871 - see reply #4.
Hopefully paulmh might get the marriage certificate and let us know.
Heywood :)
I will look at ordering the marriage certificate this weekend
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Hopefully, it will provide the answer. :)
Good luck.
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I've got Ancestry running for a month and having looked at the evidence that all you wonderful people have researched, I am convinced that Matthew was born in Ireland, and that Matthew (b.1811) is also his father. I believe that the 1851 census is correct, although Matthew wasn't born yet.
I will still order the marriage cert to confirm this.
Does anyone know if I might be able to find any Ireland Census?
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Finally I've got back a copy of the marriage certificate for Matthew Gibson....
3rd October 1869
St Patrick's Church, Wigan (I believe the church may still be in existence; Hardybutts, Wigan WN1 3RZ).
Matthew Gibson - age 22. Condition: Bachelor. Rank/Profession: Colliery B. Residence: Union Street, Scholes, Wigan. Father: Matthew Gibson. Fathers Profession: Labourer
Emma Moore - age 19. Condition: Spinster. Rank/Profession: Colliery Labourer. Residence: Manchester Place, Hardybutts, Wigan. Father: James Moore. Fathers Profession: Coal Miner
Witnesses were Daniel Blackbridge and Ann Balshoney.
I find it odd that Emma has been given an occupation, especially as a colliery labourer.
Other than confirming what we already suspected about Matthew's father, I'm not sure exactly what further information I can find?
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Matthew Gibson - age 22. Condition: Bachelor. Rank/Profession: Colliery B. Residence: Union Street, Scholes, Wigan. Father: Matthew Gibson. Fathers Profession: Labourer
Union Street is also mentioned on the 1851 & 1861 census posted earlier.
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Matthew Gibson - age 22. Condition: Bachelor. Rank/Profession: Colliery B. Residence: Union Street, Scholes, Wigan. Father: Matthew Gibson. Fathers Profession: Labourer
Union Street is also mentioned on the 1851 & 1861 census posted earlier.
Correct, so I suspect that this is the correct Matthew Gibson, and he was born in Ireland.
Just need to try and find information for him in Ireland, if anything is still available.
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Burial Wigan
Thomas Gibson
aged 2 1/2
abode 2 Union Street Scholes
23rd November 1873
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Burials to research
Matthew Gibson
aged 64 years
abode Hardybutts
2nd September 1880
Grave G586,
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Matthew Gibson
aged 49
abode
104 Hardybutts
14th July 1900,
Grave B 499
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Roman Catholic burials,
sorry just reread your posts Emma is a widow in 1891,based on her youngest child being four in 1891,
possible deaths
Matthew Gibson
aged 35 years
Wigan registration M 1/4 1887
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Burials to research
Matthew Gibson
aged 64 years
abode Hardybutts
2nd September 1880
Grave G586,
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Matthew Gibson
aged 49
abode
104 Hardybutts
14th July 1900,
Grave B 499
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Roman Catholic burials,
sorry just reread your posts Emma is a widow in 1891,based on her youngest child being four in 1891,
possible deaths
Matthew Gibson
aged 35 years
Wigan registration M 1/4 1887
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Taking it account the 1891 census, along with FreeBMD records, I came to the conclusion also that Matthew must have died in 1887.
I'm not sure what additional information I can get from ordering the death certificate, other than confirming his death?