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Title: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Sandiehawk on Monday 29 January 18 04:18 GMT (UK)
I'm hoping to find out some information about a place called Garwelfoot in Scotland. I have it listed as the birth place for at least two ancestors. The first in 1794 and the other a couple of years later.
I can't find it on a map and there's very little information about it online.
Many others in the same family were born and lived in West Linton so I presume it's somewhere close.
Sandie.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 04:24 GMT (UK)
Sandie, have you seen the original writing on the parish registers, or is the place name from transcriptions? Is the place name Garwelfoot on all records you have found or does the name vary?

I'm off to have a look around to see if I can spot it.  :)

Added: I did a bit of googling and found that the place name does exist - sometimes there are misspellings and misinterpretations of PRs hence my question.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Sandiehawk on Monday 29 January 18 04:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Ruskie, I've downloaded birth documents from Scotlands People so it's the actual hand-written entries. I've been in touch with a distant cousin who also shares some ancestors. He was born in Scotland and he told me it was (or is) a small place south of West Linton.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Sandiehawk on Monday 29 January 18 04:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks Ruskie. Can you tell me where it is?
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 04:43 GMT (UK)
You should ask your cousin whereabouts exactly it is.  ;)

I am not familiar with the area, but the minimal googling I've done so for I think it looks like West Linton is the parish and Linton was the (county?) town? But now the town is called West Linton? Maybe?  :-\
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 04:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks Ruskie. Can you tell me where it is?

Sorry Sandie, I meant I have seen the name referred to in documents. I have not found it on a map yet.  :)
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Sandiehawk on Monday 29 January 18 04:50 GMT (UK)
Thanks anyway Ruskie.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 04:57 GMT (UK)
Found it on this 1750 map:

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=13&lat=55.7282&lon=-3.3646&layers=125140579&b=1

South west of Linton "Garrelfoot".

I will see if I can find another map which shows it more clearly.  :)

Added: I can't easily spot it on more recent maps.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 05:03 GMT (UK)
It is here, simply as Garrel:

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=55.7332&lon=-3.4377&layers=4&b=1

"Ingestoun" (and variant spellings) is still in existence.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 05:25 GMT (UK)
I had second thoughts on whether Garrelfoot = Garwellfoot, but doing a bit of googling I notice a couple of different references to a "William Douglas" of both "Garrelfoot" and "Garwellfoot" so it seems to be the same place.

I think the 1750 map I linked to might be a bit inaccurate. I can't align it with more recent maps at all to try to find where Garrel/Garwell-foot was. It doesn't seem to exist after 1750ish.  :-\
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Sandiehawk on Monday 29 January 18 05:43 GMT (UK)
You are fantastic Ruskie!  Thank-you so much. I've just had a quick look at the maps but will spend more time as soon as I have more time!
Sandie.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 05:57 GMT (UK)
I thought there might be a location clue as on the 1750 map I can see "Tearth Water" beside Garrelfoot. Googling Tearth water throws up all sorts of irrelevant results. I can't see it marked on any other maps.

A couple of places on the 1750 map still exist today. I think being flexible regarding the location might be the best approach as I think the mapmaker used a bit of artistic licence.

Something that may or may not be relevant is that on maps around the mid 1800s is a Garvald Burn which you can follow on maps NE from Fernyhaugh. Maybe Garvald sounds a bit like Garwell? Maybe a coincidence?

On the 1750 map it looks like Garrelfoot is just NW of Ingraston, but I suspect it might be further away than it appears.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 06:02 GMT (UK)
The area around Garvald House?

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=55.7259&lon=-3.4354&layers=5&right=BingHyb

It seems to be in about the right place, in a bend of the river and aligns with this map:

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15&lat=55.7342&lon=-3.4461&layers=4&right=BingHyb

Added: obviously Garvald House is built later but I was wondering if the name was taken from an earlier settlement/farmstead?  :-\

Added: I have also found mention of Water of Tairth in relation to Garrelfoot, which is presumably the Tearth Water marked on the 1750 map.

I can't see any mention of Garvald ever being called Garwellfoot or Garrelfoot:
https://www.garvald.org.uk/history-of-garvald/
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Garvald%2C_East_Lothian%2C_Scotland
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 29 January 18 06:41 GMT (UK)
It may be the same place despite my doubts:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lfg/
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: harrywrag on Monday 29 January 18 20:41 GMT (UK)
hi dont know if this is any help if you go to  https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk and in the search box key in the various spellings ruskie mentioned eg garwelfoot, garrelfoot, garrel, and any others you may have under  garwelfoot a horse tax record comes up for 1785-1798 a colinal shutterwood and under garrelfoot the colnel shutterwood has a sevant tax with names on it also some other records you will need to click on them for names some may tie in with who you are looking for its a free site to use
p.s it mentions linton on top heading of page
         
                                                    harrywrag
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Skoosh on Monday 29 January 18 21:54 GMT (UK)
How about the Garrell Burn/Glen in Kilsyth?

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: ChristineM on Monday 29 January 18 22:21 GMT (UK)
It may be the same place despite my doubts:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lfg/

Ruskie, I think the Garrelfoot you found on the old maps is the correct place (per OP info) and that the link above, whilst a different Garrel, supports the name change from Garrelfoot to Garvald.  That's my vote anyway ::)
Christine.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 01 February 18 08:02 GMT (UK)
Thank-you to everyone who found some very interesting information and old maps.
Dates for the three births that state Garwelfoot as the birthplace are 1794,  1796 and 1802. That confirms that the place was still there at that time.
Sandie.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 01 February 18 10:22 GMT (UK)
Garvalt! Gaelic for Rough Burn! Garbh Allt.

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Garwelfoot, Scotland.
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Thursday 01 February 18 12:50 GMT (UK)
If you look at the 1750 map, and use the slider at the bottom (Change transparency of Overlay) and slide it to the left, then you get the current map. If you line up the obvious towns, ie peebles, you will note that the overlay is slightly out. If you allow for the correction, you wil find that Garrelfoot is approx as shown in the attached.

Malky