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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: MarilynL on Monday 29 January 18 08:47 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find out what "Ned" means. I encountered on Griffiths - "William Moore (Ned)". Later I read people's nicknames were often in brackets. Now on a marriage record I have come across "Mr James Con Creswill, Nedd, to Anne......".
William above is in other records and Ned doesn't appear nor is he referred to as William Edward Moore.
Can anyone advise what it might mean, please?
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https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=Ned&str=on
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https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Richard-Griffiths.html
"...among the lessees of Plot 2 are two men called Patrick Regan. The townland name of Colla has been typed in parenthesis after the first Patrick (Patk) Regan. The townland name of Skull is recorded after the second Patrick Regan.
Richard Griffith expected his Valuators to provide additional information (agnomen) where two or more individuals in a townland shared the same name. This, as anyone studying Irish genealogy soon discovers, is a regular occurrence in some areas. While sometimes the agnomen merely helps to identify two different people, it sometimes provides direct genealogical information.
In this example for Colla, the agnomen identify the townlands where the two men live. So while one Patrick Regan lives in Colla, on the land he rents, the other lives in Skull. ..."
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Ned is a common alternative for Edward, like Kate for Catherine. There are many others in regular use in Ireland.
As you have discovered, Griffiths clerks used agnomens when there were 2 or more people in the same townland with the same name. So I am sure if you check the townland in question you’ll find another William Moore. The use of the agnomen tells you it’s 2 different people. Otherwise it is usually the same man with more than one piece of land or property. Ned was probably that William’s nickname.
As to the marriage record, I am less certain what Nedd means. Can you provide a link to the marriage record so we can have a look at it?
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See link given by Hallmark in reply #1
Ned is a townland.
I agree that it can also be an abbreviation of Edward.
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Ned (Nedd, etc.- Nead in Irish apparently) is this townland in Co. Lndonderry-
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/keenaght/tamlaght-finlagan/ned/
When you see a name written in brackets in Griffith's, church records, etc. it denotes which individual in a townland the record is for or identifies a particular branch of a family. Often th bracketed name is that of the father or grandfather of the individual rather than their own nickname. Thus, 'Ned' (Edward or Edmund) might be father or grandfather of that William Moore mentioned in your first post.
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Thankyou, everyone. Very helpful. I should have mentioned the William Moore (Ned) is in the townland of Carrowreagh on plots 10 and 11. There are 2 Williams there in 1858 and we know from 1826 and 1831 there are a Wm SR and a Wm Jr in Carrowreagh. There is also a land Indenture of Oct 1818 mentioning Wm SR and he is possibly a son of a Nehemiah Moore also in Griffiths on Carrowreagh 1 and 2. They are also in Crindle. I thought there was a 3rd William in 1858 in Carrowreagh but now I can't find where I saw that - maybe it was for 1831.
I thought Ned might be a mistranscription for Junior.
I have looked at the Valuation Revision Books which help to support when a death occured matched against a Will. We have a Will/death of a James Moore of 1861. In this Will old William is mentioned and with other information looks to be Wm on 8b in 1858. We wondered if he was also Wm SR who could have been born around 1760. He disappears from VRB in the period 1864-80. The Will of Wm JR was written in 1874 and he died in 1883 and he had adoining farms in Carrowreagh and Carrowclare . The Will mentions a Wm of Carrowreagh who is obviously not JR and SR appears to have died. Maybe he had no land or lease. There is a Wm who is a Labourer witness on a Will - 1861 I think.
Maybe Ned indicates Wm was from a family descended from an Edward but not sure how. There was an Edward in Carrowreagh in first half 1700s with a son Nathan. Maybe from this line?
In 1858 there is a Wm in Carrowclare (9a 9c 16c) and it is felt this is Wm JR who looks to have married Jane Moore dau of Solomon Moore 1782-1860 and they were parents of James who died 1861. And Wm Jr was the Wm in Carrowclare in 1826 and 1831. In 1830 Solomon sold 10 acres to Wm Moore of Carrowreagh bordering the shore and in 1858 Solomon is on 15 and 16 wirh 15 on the shore.
Elwyn, the Nedd record is on a CD I have of BMD 1829-69 from the Londonderry Sentinel by a group in the North Ireland FHS.
I am still analysing the material assembled and summaised in about 40 pages in date order and in 2 columns for Carrowreagh and Carrowclare to work out lineage for a Tristram Moore 1767-1839 and a Samuel Moore 1798-1850.
Marilyn
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PS to above Wm JR of 1883 Will was of Carrowreagh but possibly was also in Carfowclare and Crindle.
The Wms mentioned in VRB are in Carrowreagh.
Adjoining farms in Carrowclare and Carrowreagh of Wm JR not yet identified.
Marilyn
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Which Carrowreagh?
https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=Carrowreagh&str=on&con=100011
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Everything is in Tamlaght Finlagan in Co Derry where Carrowreagh and Carrowclare adjoin.
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Hello, on this same topic I have come across a new word on VAL/12/B/31/20B for 1864-1880 - the Valuation Revision of 1864-1880 for Carrowreagh in Tamlaght Finlagan in Co Derry.
It is Teag and is in brackets after a William Moore likely the same who had Ned after his name in Griffiths in 1858 and Revisions to 1860-63.
Would anyone know what Teag means?
I have been checking Williams in Carrowreagh and Carrowclare in 1858 and the one with (Ned) after his name is crossed out in the 1864-1880 Revisions, including for a William in Carrowclare who didn't have (Ned). This seems to pinpoint a William who had land in both townlands and died 1864-1880, but as there were 2 different Williams in Carrowreagh one had (Ned) to differentiate him.
But by above 1864-80 he was shown as Reps William Moore (Teag). Beside one of these 4 or 5 entries someone has written Ned in faint writing.
Another William isn't crossed out til the Revision of 1883-98 and is likely the William JR of Carrowreagh of a Will of 1874/died 1883 - I am trying to ascertain if Ned and JR are father and son.
I also found a list of Landowners in Ireland, 1876 - Derry which has a Moore, William Teag on it (perhaps indicating Ned was still alive 1876 and died by 1880).
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See here for explanation of agnomen in Griffith's Valuation-
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Richard-Griffiths.html
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Aghadowey, thankyou for your help. I had read about the agnomens in Griffiths and that helped me with my earlier query about William Moore (Ned). It looks like a genealogical clue - his father or grandfather is probably an Edward, or in 1858 he had the land of an Edward from 1826.
But Teag is a new one and I can't figure out what the specific word means - I have googled and can't find anything Irish or legal. There is no townland called Teag but one called Balteagh SE of Limavady. I can't understand what it might be an abbreviation of. Some other townlands end in teagh so it is Irish for something (draigh?).
Teag appears as "Reps William Moore (Teag)" in a Revision for Carrowreagh in Tamlaght Finlagan for 1864-80 and not in 1858 Griffiths, and beside the name of the man who was probably William Moore (Ned) in 1858 as they are both deceased in the same time frame. And someone else has written Ned below Teag. He was on a Lot 12 which was created in 1862 from Lots 1B and 2B and adjacent to Lots 10.11. of William Moore (Ned). Related Moores had most of Carrowreagh.
I am trying to find out if Teag is a legal word, or a nickname as Ned is for Edward, or an Irish word or something else.