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Title: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Thursday 01 February 18 03:50 GMT (UK)
Hello.

The 'lonely dead.'

Has anyone come across this family name in genealogy research. If so a Dargaville funeral director, may like to hear from you.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/101002618/funeral-directors-call-for-clearer-law-on-what-to-do-with-lonely-dead

- Alan.

PS the funeral home of J W HART have their own web page for direct contact details.



Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Thursday 01 February 18 05:44 GMT (UK)
On a personal note, I totally feel for people in this situation and do wonder what avenues have actually been tried.

My great grandfather died seemingly alone, and his death certificate noted no children.  He actually had 5.  No one knows what happened to his belongings after he died in hospital.  There is no law surrounding that either.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 01 February 18 06:10 GMT (UK)
Very rare name for this country.

NZ BDM has this death which comes up when Brugman is entered:

1998/949   Longbottom   Loes   31 March 1929

A death notice [2011] for a lady nee Brugman.........

Can be sent by PM if requested......

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Thursday 01 February 18 07:03 GMT (UK)
minniehaha
That link might be a library members only one?
Twiggy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TreeSpirit on Friday 02 February 18 13:46 GMT (UK)

Does anyone know whether Thomas had a second name and his YOB?

I might have found the names of his siblings  (and parents)... whether any are still alive is another thing as they were born between 1930 and 1936 ...

Sylvia
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 02 February 18 14:03 GMT (UK)
Seems to that if the funeral director is acting at the request of a social worker then it is the responsibility of the social worker's employer to foot the bill.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 02 February 18 18:47 GMT (UK)
His full name was possibly Thomas Leonardus Brugman, see Archives files.......

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=24410869

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16541629


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 02 February 18 19:01 GMT (UK)
There is one Brugman listed in the White Pages for New Zealand........

https://whitepages.co.nz/


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Friday 02 February 18 19:31 GMT (UK)
If the Thomas Leonardus BRUGMAN, then there was a Land transfer title in 1997:
https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/1997-lt8267
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Friday 02 February 18 19:40 GMT (UK)
Noted in case related:
Passage Wellington to Rotterdam in 1964 for a XXXXX Brugman (not Thomas), aged 19 years.

Edit: could still be living so message for details.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Friday 02 February 18 19:47 GMT (UK)
I have also stumbled upon living BRUGMAN (NZ residents in their 60's) who appear to live outside of NZ at present; and were advertising to have come back 2016/2017.

Message for details.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Friday 02 February 18 20:03 GMT (UK)
Seems to that if the funeral director is acting at the request of a social worker then it is the responsibility of the social worker's employer to foot the bill.

Hello

As the article explains, in NZ it is not as simple as that. While in the past the undertaker may have proceeded, today to cover themselves, they require a Court order, or instructions from an executor, normally family.

Alan.

PS. I now have had contact from the funeral home. They are still searching for information, and would appreciate any help you can offer re the living relatives to:-

Deleted , see further replies.

Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Sunday 04 February 18 03:29 GMT (UK)
Just for the record:

I have looked through the microfiche births from 1936 - 1990; and the grooms marriages from 1947 - 1990.

It looks like there may have been at least 3 BRUGMAN families in New Zealand during this timeframe.

I also looked through the current electoral rolls and Thomas Leonardus BRUGMAN in Northland, was the only one I found (although 3 volumes were elsewhere and I will look them up if necessary in due course)

Happy to supply information via pm to anyone else trying to piece together this mystery.


Another thought is that if Thomas was involved in his own hospital admission, it asks for next-of-kin so I wonder if that avenue has been tried.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: WendyNapierWalker on Sunday 04 February 18 04:08 GMT (UK)
Reply No 11

Alan, not sure where you obtained this email address from but it appears to be the email address of a Funeral Director in Ontario, Canada.

Wendy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Janette on Sunday 04 February 18 04:15 GMT (UK)
The correct email for Hart's in Dargaville is at the top of this list

https://www.fdanz.co.nz/fdanz-funeral-directors


Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: WendyNapierWalker on Sunday 04 February 18 04:56 GMT (UK)
Thanks Janette for the correct email address.

Also to let other Rootchatters know who are posting, that I have sent a request to Archives NZ (Wellington office) to see if they will check the Alien Registration file and Immigration file for Thomas Leonardus Brugman, and advise the Funeral Director whether there are any details of family members contained in the files.

Wendy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Sunday 04 February 18 09:11 GMT (UK)
Seems to that if the funeral director is acting at the request of a social worker then it is the responsibility of the social worker's employer to foot the bill.

Hello

As the article explains, in NZ it is not as simple as that. While in the past the undertaker may have proceeded, today to cover themselves, they require a Court order, or instructions from an executor, normally family.

Alan.

PS. I now have had contact from the funeral home. They are still searching for information, and would appreciate any help you can offer re the living relatives to:-

Address supplied deleted. [See below]

A big OOps on my part. Thought I was doing a search of NZ web sites. At least the article did originate from Dargaville New Zealand, and I did talk to the right funeral home.

Proves that you can never be too careful.

Alan.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TreeSpirit on Sunday 04 February 18 09:47 GMT (UK)
I suspect that this might be him with his parents (both dentists) and siblings in Rotterdam. When the father dies in 1956 all the siblings are still alive, but I can't find a sign of life for them after this.

http://www.stadsarchief.rotterdam.nl/maisi_ajax_proxy.php?mivast=184&mizig=100&miadt=184&miaet=185&micode=494-03&minr=16100977&milang=nl&misort=last_mod%7Cdesc&mip1=brugman&mip3=bernardus%20josephus&miview=viewer2

PS there is a Josephus Bernardus Brugman listed in Archway. Because of the specific names I am wondering whether he is related and maybe even an older brother with his names swapped around.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Sunday 04 February 18 10:28 GMT (UK)
Hello again.

This posting has generated emails to me privately, from around the world. A genealogist in Scotland saw fit to supply me with this link, to a case that recently went before their court.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-40608002

I don't envy undertakers and the role they have, of meeting civil duties, while allowing families and friends, time to grieve and say good bye. I am am an estate executor, and have been one on a number of occasions, both through natural death, and accidental death. It is never easy.

So to those of you on this thread, offering your time, and expertise, I salute you.

Alan.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: WendyNapierWalker on Monday 05 February 18 20:29 GMT (UK)
Hi TreeSpirit,
I also have found nothing further apart from a marriage of the parents.
It would be helpful to have a DOB or YOB of Thomas Brugman to assist with the searching.  I have asked the FD for this information and sent them information that I had located, but have heard nothing further from them to date.

Wendy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Janette on Monday 05 February 18 20:41 GMT (UK)
I see that various genealogy groups are helping in this search

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 05 February 18 21:03 GMT (UK)
Can you list Janette, just in case any public information helps us here further?
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: WendyNapierWalker on Monday 05 February 18 22:13 GMT (UK)
Hi TwiggyTree and Janette,
Most of the information is already posted here with links.  See earlier post re my request to Archives NZ to check Alien Registration and Immigration files and pass any relevant info to FD.
Death notices in NZ for two females with maiden name of Brugman have been passed to FD - one is already mentioned in #2 which could be followed up with the FDs by the Dargaville FD.
If you would like this information please PM me.
If Thomas Brugman was a NZ citizen the FD could follow up with the Passport Office, Internal Affairs for NOK (if application still retained), otherwise the Dutch embassy might be able to assist if not already contacted.  Perhaps Interpol might also be able to assist?

Wendy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Janette on Monday 05 February 18 22:23 GMT (UK)
Can you list Janette, just in case any public information helps us here further?

There is a TM thread  that I started and I have seen it on FB as well.Both groups need membership

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Janette on Monday 05 February 18 22:25 GMT (UK)
A couple of comments from TM

 https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/1997-lt8267

20 NOV 1997
Notice Number 1997-lt8267
Page Number 3851

Land Transfers/Joint Family Homes
Land Transfer Act Notice I hereby give notice of my intention to issue new or provisional instruments of title in place of those declared lost and described in the Schedule below upon the expiration of 14 days from the date of this publication. Schedule (Certificate of title reference unless otherwise stated; registered proprietors name; application number.)
Thomas Leonardus Brugman; D. 213512. 11. 27D/926;
.
Dated at the Auckland Land Information New Zealand Office this 14th day of November 1997. D. A. CHAPMAN, District Land Registrar.


Thomas Leonardus Brugman, born 17 Dec 1933, Rotterdam, Netherlands?

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 05 February 18 23:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks gals.

Janette that DOB in the Land transfer certainly helps link what Tree Spirit found in the Dutch archives.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Tuesday 06 February 18 04:42 GMT (UK)
Just in case it helps us not double-up contact with living people...

I have sent into the internet ether:

1 an email to former BRUGMANs who used to live in NZ but are now in the States (reply #4);

2 and to a remote BRUGMAN descendant of Henricus Albertus Laurentius BRUGMAN (Archway) living in Brisbane, Australia to see if there is a connection.


3 The 1989 BRUGMAN [microfiche] birth in NZ is sadly deceased.

4 There is a living BRUGMAN [family] in the South Island not listed in the White Pages that I am seeking a contact for.


Would searching the female BRUGMAN marriages on microfiche be helpful?  I may be able to do it Thursday.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: WendyNapierWalker on Tuesday 06 February 18 08:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Twiggy Tree,
I have details of the two female Brugman's and their spouses.
I have also identified living relatives of one of them and have possible contact phone numbers.
I can provide details by PM if required.
It is probably best if the Funeral Director follows up possible links rather than these people being contacted multiple times by researchers.
What do others think?

Wendy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:50 GMT (UK)
Hello.

I suggest that you go to the top.

I know itís late and so I keep getting the names all mixed up, but if you go to the link below you will find a team profile on the morris&morris  funeral home site.

There it names [including photo] the man quoted in the stuff article about Hartís of Dargaville [NZ] with a lonely deceased in their care.

It gives a direct phone number and his direct personal email address for service.

It states that he was UK trained, and not that long in NZ, so possibly not so up to speed with NZ genealogy research, contacts etc. And that he was asked to be the general manager of the company when the proprietorís wanted to move on, and the Morris & Morris business was bought by an Auckland company.

It also mentions that Hartís of Dargaville is a subsidiary.

He is the one that went to the press, and he is the one who should be processing the offers of help.

You will find the contacts using the contact that Jannette suggested on Sunday when my error of finding that there were at least two Hartís of Dargaville trading as funeral homes, around the world was exposed.

When a representative of the company phoned me back, they stated they would phone me back again if they needed assistance to contact / follow through with information posted on RootsChat. I explained that unlike facebook this site does not allow public discussion of the living.

They have not phoned me back. So presumably are happy with where they are at. There could be privacy issues at stake for them too.

This link is an extension to that which Janette supplied when my error was exposed. If it does not work, go to the home site and then click on THE TEAM and then the GMís MORE profile.

http://morrisandmorris.co.nz/team/

Regards,

Alan.

PS the link works. Click on MORE on the first profile, you will recognise the photo from the STUFF article.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Tuesday 06 February 18 18:37 GMT (UK)
I think it is important to note that Thomas was Roman Catholic at least as a child, in case that helps the funeral director et al.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 06 February 18 23:53 GMT (UK)
There is an article in today's NZ Herald, about this.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11989555
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Wednesday 07 February 18 00:35 GMT (UK)
One begins to wonder where is the DUE DILIGENCE in all this, and what are we, the public, not being told, when public input is being saught.

Not good PR, when there could be a hint of a hidden agenda.

Alan.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 07 February 18 03:13 GMT (UK)
For some background reading here is a webpage about how and why the Dutch came to NZ in the 1950s and 1960s.

http://www.dutch-heritage.co.nz/wave-of-dutch-migration/
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Wednesday 07 February 18 06:29 GMT (UK)
Stop Press.

I have now had a personal email reply from the General Manager of Morris & Morris, [I went to the top] and have been in contact with an Auckland based member, of Perpetual Guardian.

The funeral director advised that the matter is now in the hands of Perpetual Guardian, re the estate of Thomas BRUGMAN, and any one with information that they feel might be of interest should contact the following:

Perpetual Guardian;
General Manager, Personal Client Services 09.909.5146  or
Head of Legal PCS  09.909.5179

I can supply the names of these representitives by Private Message.

Regards,

Alan.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 07 February 18 21:03 GMT (UK)
Just another update from me ...

I am in contact with a Dutch BRUGMAN genealogist who does think he can help connect the dots although presently does not have Thomas in his database.  He did however advise that the surname is as common as Smith!  ;D

Does anyone know if the Dutch imemigration files have been made online (for free!) ?

[I have contacted Perpetual Guardian.]
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: WendyNapierWalker on Thursday 08 February 18 04:19 GMT (UK)
On a Dutch genealogy website I found a researcher who is tracing this family and have tried to make contact via the website.

If we have the correct family, Thomas's father was one of nine children.

The Openarchive website in English is very helpful (Dutch and Belgium genealogy website).

Twiggytree I have sent you a PM.

Wendy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TreeSpirit on Thursday 08 February 18 06:10 GMT (UK)

By 1897 Thomasí grandparents have 7 living children (incl Thomas' father) and there could have been more:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99Q3-23JC?i=466&wc=955S-BZZ%3A338129501%2C342375201%2C338276701%3Fcc%3D2018408&cc=2018408

Clearly finding ancestors and distant rellies is not the problem Ö the issue is finding living family that is not too distant, who know who he is and who are willing to make important decisions (including the possibility of having to pay for the cremation/burial)

Sylvia

Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Thursday 08 February 18 06:54 GMT (UK)
Great, it seems as if we are getting somewhere together; and I am learning about another country's archives at the same time.

The lovely Dutch gentleman that I am in contact with confirmed that in 1956 at least Thomas's 3 brothers and 1 sister were all still alive.  He advised that the research at his end may take a couple of weeks to find living relatives of the same.  Let's hope that Perpetual Guardian and the High Court take this into account.

Really wish we all knew what had already specifically been tried to find living relatives so we aren't relying on the good nature of fellow genies for nothing.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: WendyNapierWalker on Friday 09 February 18 04:10 GMT (UK)
TreeSpirit - You make a good point, however sometimes we need to go backwards to go forward.

Last year, for a woman, I located the living relatives of her deceased US Marine father who was in NZ during WW2.  To do this I had to go backwards and then work forward, achieving a successful outcome.

TwiggyTree hopefully the "lovely Dutch gentleman" is able to find living relatives - fingers crossed!

Wendy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Friday 09 February 18 22:09 GMT (UK)

Edited ..
Clearly finding ancestors and distant rellies is not the problem Ö the issue is finding living family that is not too distant, who know who he is and who are willing to make important decisions (including the possibility of having to pay for the cremation/burial)

Sylvia

Agreed. When Morris & Morris reassigned responsibility for the body to the offer by Perpetual Gaurdian it was publically stated that they would apply to the Court to become Executor of his Estate at no cost. But that was at the time of the undertaker claiming that they had made enguiries including extending to Holand, without finding kext of kin.

What I have not seen, nor had privately, is a clarification as to whether there is a cavaet to the no cost offer, if the public were to come forward with details of next of kin.

Alan.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville. COMPLETED
Post by: Fresh Fields on Wednesday 14 February 18 00:13 GMT (UK)
Hello all - thanks for your help.

As far as I'm concerned this forum posting is now COMPLETE.

This morning I contacted by phone, the Perpetual Guardian lawyer, that we were advised to contact, if we had information that we felt could help identify next of kin.

The gentlemam concerned was polite, and business like, as I was expecting. Respecting peoples privacy, but he did assure me that they would be greatful to recieve the family info that was recorded when the gentleman emigrated to NZ. Locating benificeries of an estate for dispersing the residue, can be quite an exercise at times.

Herald part quote :-
Thomas Brugman died in July last year but no next of kin can be found so the funeral home can't cremate the body unless it applies to the High Court to get the Public Trust to take over the process, at a cost of about $200.

Perpetual Guardian has offered to apply to the High Court to execute his estate and put him to rest at their own cost.

As the law stands, if someone dies without next of kin and without a will, someone cannot simply step in to deal with the estate or the body.".

End of quote.

As expected, the Herald reporter possibly assumed too much from the stated offer, of starting the process, of applying to the Court for executorship of the estate. The cost of that filing being approximately $200.

The lawyer did not believe that the offer was "pro bono" but that when the executor had fulfilled their duties, the costs thereof would be viewed favourably if available funds were limited.

Accordingly I forwarded by email Wendy's findings, plus a few notes about the RC forum and team who all pitched in.

I have now recieved an accknoledgment reply, that the material was recived. And a thank you for the effoerts involved.

- Alan.

Added PS.
As we can not discuss the living on line, is the reason for me wishing to complete this thread. However if anyone considers that they have late material of significance I'm happy to forward it.

Just PM me.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville. COMPLETED
Post by: mish231 on Sunday 18 February 18 18:22 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I came across this post by accident. I live in The Netherlands and I am in contact with the first cousin of Mr Thomas Brugman. Is there anything I can pass on to family here in The Netherlands?

Regards
Michelle




Hello all - thanks for your help.

As far as I'm concerned this forum posting is now COMPLETE.

This morning I contacted by phone, the Perpetual Guardian lawyer, that we were advised to contact, if we had information that we felt could help identify next of kin.

The gentlemam concerned was polite, and business like, as I was expecting. Respecting peoples privacy, but he did assure me that they would be greatful to recieve the family info that was recorded when the gentleman emigrated to NZ. Locating benificeries of an estate for dispersing the residue, can be quite an exercise at times.

Herald part quote :-
Thomas Brugman died in July last year but no next of kin can be found so the funeral home can't cremate the body unless it applies to the High Court to get the Public Trust to take over the process, at a cost of about $200.

Perpetual Guardian has offered to apply to the High Court to execute his estate and put him to rest at their own cost.

As the law stands, if someone dies without next of kin and without a will, someone cannot simply step in to deal with the estate or the body.".

End of quote.

As expected, the Herald reporter possibly assumed too much from the stated offer, of starting the process, of applying to the Court for executorship of the estate. The cost of that filing being approximately $200.

The lawyer did not believe that the offer was "pro bono" but that when the executor had fulfilled their duties, the costs thereof would be viewed favourably if available funds were limited.

Accordingly I forwarded by email Wendy's findings, plus a few notes about the RC forum and team who all pitched in.

I have now recieved an accknoledgment reply, that the material was recived. And a thank you for the effoerts involved.

- Alan.

Added PS.
As we can not discuss the living on line, is the reason for me wishing to complete this thread. However if anyone considers that they have late material of significance I'm happy to forward it.

Just PM me.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Sunday 18 February 18 18:52 GMT (UK)
Hello Michelle

I will let Fresh Fields advise definitively as this is his thread.

Initially we were trying to find a living relative as apparently the funeral home could not.  Then the issue of financial liability came into the equation and I think many here wanted to have a guarantee from the interim executors that any living relative was being sought for the right reasons ie humanitarian and not financial.

Twiggy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: mish231 on Sunday 18 February 18 18:59 GMT (UK)

Thank you for your reply.  I have in any case informed his cousin of this unfortunate situation. If there is anything I can relay I would be more than willing to pass on information. I will await further replies. Thank you again.

Michelle

Hello Michelle

I will let Fresh Fields advise definitively as this is his thread.

Initially we were trying to find a living relative as apparently the funeral home could not.  Then the issue of financial liability came into the equation and I think many here wanted to have a guarantee from the interim executors that any living relative was being sought for the right reasons ie humanitarian and not financial.

Twiggy
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Sunday 18 February 18 19:14 GMT (UK)
Greetings from New Zealand.

Thank you for your offer of assistance. As per PM to you, I suggest you email the lawyer at Perpetual Guardian, at the email provided in a couple of places on this thread.

Regards,

Alan.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: Fresh Fields on Sunday 18 February 18 20:33 GMT (UK)
and later in PM reply; part quote re contributors to this thread and research:-

.......I will keep you updated and I would like to take the opportunity to praise the work done by the members in this thread. I would not have seen the link to my friends family, if they had not done the research.

Kind regards,

Mish231

.........................................................

Alan.
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 19 February 18 00:59 GMT (UK)
What I still am unaware of, in all of this, is what specifically had been tried to find living relatives before we got onto the case.

I think this is as important as any legislation the funeral director may want to see implemented.

Some the questions I have are:



I am sure you will have others!
Title: Re: Funeral Home dilemma - Thomas BRUGMAN, Dargaville.
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 19 February 18 08:20 GMT (UK)
Even though I know mish231 is in contact with a first cousin of the deceased, I let the "lovely Dutch gentleman" know what had been going on at our end with the research and he said that ....

The family index cards have all been ordered for Thomas's siblings and hopefully will arrive with him this week.   
Failing any or all of these the plan is to look in local council records too.