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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: GRO10a852 on Thursday 01 February 18 22:17 GMT (UK)
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I have the following two people (brother and sister) living in 1939 (according to the 1939 registers) at 51 Oxton Street, Liverpool:
John W Winstanley born 17 September 1873 single a retired postman and
Eliza M Barnett born 20 February 1879 a widow.
I have been trying to identify where and when they died. The best options I can identify are:
Eliza Mary Barnett Death year 1963 aged 84 therefore born 1879 Residence and Registration District Douglas, Isle of Man Volume 473 page 3809
John William Winstanley Death year 1947 aged 73 therefore born 1874 Residence and Registration District Douglas, Isle of Man volume 173 page 2909
I know their parents married in 1867 in Douglas IOM., so speculate that they may have moved to the Isle of Man to get out of Liverpool in WW 2.
Can any body suggest how I can prove my theory is correct?
Thanks for your help
Regards
Brian
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It looks a good possibility that you have the correct couple.
Have you looked on the probate index to see if they left wills, or the Liverpool papers for an obituary if that was where they were resident most of their lives.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
The death certificates, though if they died in a home/hospital it may not help.
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Both are buried in Douglas Borough Cemetery, Glencrutchery Road.
So I'm not sure whether a Parish Record would be available?
Otherwise you would need the Death Certificates from the Civil Registery:
Civil Registry
Registries Building
Deemsters Walk
Bucks Road
Douglas
Isle of Man
IM1 3AR
Telephone:+44 1624 687039
Certificates are £11 each.
https://www.gov.im/categories/births-deaths-and-marriages/order-copy-certificates/https://www.gov.im/categories/births-deaths-and-marriages/order-copy-certificates/
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Certificates are £11 each.
£1.75 dearer than the UK - Is that because it's a tax haven ;D
Rosie ;)
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If they were living on the Isle of Man, probate would have been there.
There will only be an entry in the UK Probate Calendar if there was some reason to also want probate there? Property, shares, or other assets?
There is no online access to IOM Probate.
Probate records in relation to Grants of Probate issued since 1950 can be viewed at our public counter and by prior arrangement.
Deeds and Probate Registries (same address as Civil Registry)
deeds@registry.gov.im
Leave it with me; I'll wander down later and see what's what!
(Registry is practically at the end of my road ;D)
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Certificates are £11 each.
£1.75 dearer than the UK - Is that because it's a tax haven ;D
Rosie ;)
Different legal system?
Actually, I have no idea why :-\
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Thanks to rosie 99 and KGarrad for your information about tracing family history in the Isle of Man.
I don't believe that the two prople I am interested in were using the Isle of Man as a tax haven. He was no more than a Postman and she was a cook in domestic service!! I know their parents were married in the Isle of Man so would guess they moved to the Isle of Man to escape the bombing in Liverpool.
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Sorry, I was not meaning that was why they were there. :) I just wondered why the certificates were dearer than the UK
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It costs £2.50 to look at a will in IoM - that's a lot cheaper than UK, Rosie! ;D
Eliza Mary Barnett, of Ellan Vannin House, Kingswood Grove, Douglas
Formerly of 40 Woodbourne Road, Douglas, widow
(The executor was an Advocate's Clerk)
To Mrs Mona Ennett, £50
To Mrs Amy Thompson, of 40 Woodbourne Grove, £25
To James Carr, of 13 Sylvania Road, Liverpool 4, £50
The remainder of the estate to be divided 3 ways:
To nephew Douglas Adamsom, of New South Wales, Australia, one-third
To nephew Joseph Adamson, of New South Wales, Australia, one-third
To Niece Mrs Ellen Martin, of Walsall, one-third
If this is indeed your Ellen, PM me with your email address - I have photographed the pages of the will ;D
John William's will, being before 1950, is in storage. They reckon to have it for perusal on Tuesday.
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It costs £2.50 to look at a will in IoM - that's a lot cheaper than UK, Rosie! ;D
I am impressed KG ;D I must admit I was surprised that the certificates were dearer than the UK.
Rosie
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K Garrad,
Many thanks for your last message. From the information you have given me the will is definately the person I am after. I recognise the surname Adamson as being the married name of one of Eliza's sisters and the fact that her nephews were in Australia explains why I could not find the Adamson family in England. I was aware one of her brothers emigrated to Australia but not a sister as well.
Thanks for the information I will PM you my e-mail address
Regards
Brian
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The Ellan Vannin home is the modernised House of Industry built in 1834
- see www.manxnotebook.com/towns/douglas/hoi.htm
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Hi Frances_mnb,
Many thanks for the link about the Ellan Vannin Home/House of Industry
Regards
Brian
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Brian,
There will be an email on the way, but just to whet your appetite:
John William Winstanley, late of 66 Murray's Road, Douglas. Retired Postman.
Family mentioned in the will:
Brother. Robert Cowell Winstanley
Nephew. Joseph Adamson, of 39 Scott Street, Punchbowl, NSW
Nephew. Douglas Adamsn, <same address>
Sister. Eliza Mary Barnett (widow)
Sister. Celia Alice Winstanley (spinster)
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Hi K Garrad,
May thanks for your message. Look forward to receiving the e-mail
Regards
Brian