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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Leicestershire => England => Leicestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: pyghtle on Thursday 01 February 18 22:23 GMT (UK)
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I am not sure if this is the right board, but here goes....I am researching the Crick family, Frederick Crick b.1832 married Sarah Ann Mist b.1833, their first born Nellie Louise Crick was born in Staten Island New York in 1855. I have access to Ancestry but not worldwide so wondered if anyone could help in finding out if the whole family went to New York, when they went and if there is a birth certificate for Nellie anywhere. The rest of the children were born in Leicestershire.
Thanks
Brenda
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I see from the 1861 census that the next child was born 1857, so the family must have returned between 1855 - 1857. Her father was single in Leicester in 1851, so there isn't a very wide window for their time in the US. Her parents married in New York on 16 September 1853.
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Which explains why I could not find marriage dates!
I Wonder if there is any record on any sailings around that time, I will look on Ancestry.
That is really interesting, wonder why they went and then came back!
Thank you for your help
Brenda
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Unfortunately I think most passenger records are a lot later.
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That’s a shame....
Brenda
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Is Nellie her full name or was it short for Helen ?
I looked on Ancestry for Fred crick leaving UK but nothing came up ...sorry
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There is a Sophie Ann MIST arriving new York aged 14 1849
Btw you could ask moderator s to move post to the USA board . Americans may be able to do these searches better .
I can try looking on the Ellis island site if I can remember how to get on it ...
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Frederick must have been back by December 1856 as he was granted a loan of £100 by Thomas White's Charity. It seems to be a business loan of some sort, and at the time he was described as aged 24 & a trimmer of Mill Lane.
The Thomas White Loan Charity still exists, and Leicester Records Office has some of their historic records so there may be something within them that could shed some light on why Frederick was in America:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lgj/
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There was a Frederick Crick who arrived in NY in 1853 BUT he was reportedly a farmer born in Ireland in 1824 and he claimed he was heading to Canada.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-5FS3-PY?i=495&wc=MX62-XZ3%3A165771301%3Fcc%3D1849782&cc=1849782
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On the 20 August 1853 Frederick Crick resident of New York, Merchant files an application to become an American Citizen, states he plans to stays in America.
Fees paid and filed 22 August 1853.
Ref: New York Alien depositions of Intent to become U.S. citizens.
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Newspaper extracts Christian Intelligencer of the Reformed Dutch Church.
Published 22 September 1853
At Jersey City 16 September 1853 Frederick Cruik to Sarah Jane Mist all of Jersey City.
spelling as in transcription.
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If that is him in 1853 filing for citizenship, I wonder what went wrong making them return to the UK?
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There is a 1855 census of New York, some parts are missing it's on family search but I haven't signed onto that site.
The name Crick/Cruik is not unusual in New York, though most came from Germany. If found in 1855 it would tell us a great deal as it lists everyone in the household ages, citizenship etc..
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Thank you everyone for your replies,many years ago when I started my family research, I discovered that my G Grandfather left his wife and six children and went to New York, shame I discovered this after my father and Grandfather had died as no one ever knew where he had gone, he bigamously remarried there and I managed to find all this out, including USA census,copies of marriage certificate, death certificate, where he is buried, all this with the help of a web site very similar to this one, today I will look through my many files,papers etc to see if I can find this source again.
I did not realise that there was a USA section on here. How amazing that you found the application for USA citizenship Groom!
I have received much help over the years on here but my family history interest has waned these last few years, now I have decided to put my extensive research in order and as a consequence I have discovered many new things which have renewed my interest, so maybe you will see more posts from me on here.
I have just seen your reply Among, it was posted as I typed this, that is certainly worth a look.
I am so grateful for everyone’s help, thanks again.
We have a Family Search office where I live, I have just found this out, so intend to make an appointment and spend a day there!
Brenda
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I did not realise that there was a USA section on here. How amazing that you found the application for USA citizenship Groom!
That was amondg, not me. :D
A lot of FamilySearch records are on line, you now have to register and sign in, but it's free.
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Apologies to among.....senior moment, I am grateful to everyone who had taken the trouble to help.
Brenda
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To make it worse, I have spelt your name wrong amondg......sorry!
Brenda
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I am transcribing my family tree onto the Family Search web site. I like their layout better than Ancestry.
Brenda
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There are some possibilities of a later passage to NYon the liberty bell Ellis island site ...free to search ..
Frederick crick of london on ss cedric 1904
Mr crick in 1895. N/A presummably means american citizen so didnt have to give place of birth or origin
The same year further down page is a mrs crick
Are you sure thry didnt leave their grown up children to return to USA
There was a crick albert fredrick in 1918 England too.
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Can you tell us whst you know about the family in leicester .
names birth years marriages etc
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Thank you everyone for your replies,many years ago when I started my family research, I discovered that my G Grandfather left his wife and six children and went to New York, shame I discovered this after my father and Grandfather had died as no one ever knew where he had gone, he bigamously remarried there and I managed to find all this out, including USA census,copies of marriage certificate, death certificate, where he is buried, all this with the help of a web site very similar to this one, today I will look through my many files,papers etc to see if I can find this source again.
Brenda
Hi Brenda,
Is Frederick your g grandfather or one of his sons?
Frederick is on every census with Sarah A and children although I think he might only have five children :-\
In 1911 he is described as a resident patient in Hastings - see Family Search here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BN-CPF
He dies 1918 in St Leonard’s on Sea but of Leicester and probate is granted to Samuel, Fred and Thomas, his sons, plus a solicitor. He leaves a substantial amount.
Is this your Frederick?
Heywood
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Hi
Sorry not to get back sooner, in answer to brigidmac.
Frederick Crick 1832 - 1926 born in Leicester
Sara Ann Mist. 1833 - 1928 born Great Barr Warwickshire
Children...
Nellie Louisa Crick 1855 - 1913 born in USA
Samuel Arthur. 1857 - March 1925 born Leicester
William Thorne. 1860 -July 1928. :
Fred Mist Crick. 1863 -April 1924. :
Thomas M Crick. 1872 -Jan. 1951. born Cosby Leicestershire.
Fred Mist Crick. m Louisa Payne, Kettering Northamptonshire 1888
Daughter Louisa Dorothy Marion Crick 1889 Blaby Leicestershire
Louisa Payne was the daughter of Sarah Elizabeth Goodman Payne (was Tebbs before marriage)
Sarah was the sister of my GGrandfather, Richard Tebbs, the one who left his family and went to New York sometime after 1891, he remarried there in 1896, this was a long time after Frederick and Sarah went though, so cannot see a connection. I am intruiged about the New York connection,maybe they came back because of the death of a parent I have not gone any further back in his tree at the moment, something made them change their minds especially as they were applying for citizenship.
Brenda
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Was Willie Thorn related to the family adopted or a visitor ?
Any relation to our famous Leicester snooker player ??
What a fascinating family ...
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Hi heywood, the sons sound right, but I have Frederick dying in 1926, so I will check that.
Sorry, do not know who Willie Thorn is?
I never intend to become engrossed in Family on the periphery of my immediate ancestors, but I cannot resist an unusual story, unfortunately we can never uncover the reasons for some of their actions.......they must have had a reason to change their minds!
Thanks again everyone.
Brenda
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Was rhe child you refered to called willie thorn crick.?
Willie Thorn is a well known name in the snooker community ..i think he participated in " strictly come dancing"recently. There used to be a snooker club in leicester named after him .
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I have never come across Willie Thorne Crick, although it could be possible as so. Any of them have the middle name of Thorne,Throne,Thane, never know which is correct!
Brenda
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Are Samuel Arthur
And Willie Thorn someone else's children then ?
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I have never come across Willie Thorne Crick, although it could be possible as so. Any of them have the middle name of Thorne,Throne,Thane, never know which is correct!
Brenda
There are several records - presumably the extended family - with the name Throne as first or middle name.
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Yes I have noticed that, it also has a variety of spellings, It could be some mother’s maiden name, that often happens and that helps to confirm that you have the correct person sometimes.
Brenda
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I agree.
Martha Throne married Thomas Crick in 1798 so perhaps that was the beginning of the dynasty :)
Did you check your death date for Frederick, Brenda?
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Yes, my date was wrong, so have now amended it.....thanks for the Throne information,you have saved me a job, I do not have much time during the day to go on line.
Brenda
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That’s good - it would need checking to make sure it is the right family.
It is interesting isn’t it to look at all the other little side links when they have a bit of a story. :)
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Yes.....I never mean to get sidetracked from my main families, but sometimes their stories are fascinating and just when you think that you have gone as far as you can......something really interesting turns up!
Brenda