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Looking for a marriage
Richard Simpson (b) 1809 Norham, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland
As far as I know he married Eleanor Embleton (b) 1813
ive searched from 1830 onwards and can find nowt
please help been searching for days ::)
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Where did you get Eleanor’s surname from?
When was their first child born?
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Where did you get Eleanor’s surname from?
When was their first child born?
Eleanor is on the 1871 Census as mother to William Simpson (b) 1849 Berwick Upon Tweed Union
1871 census as follows
Registration district
Berwick
Sub-registration district
Berwick Upon Tweed
ED, institution, or vessel
7
Household schedule number
100
Piece
5182
Folio
34
Page number
19
I traced his Birth Index and came up with Embleton mmn Therefore, have put the facts together and came up with Eleanor Embleton. Birth index is Volume 25 Page 32 Berwick upon Tweed 1849
I have earlier census that state William Simpson father is Richard Simpson married to Eleanor Simpson.
As far as I know Thomas Simpson (b) 1843 mmn Embleton 1843 S Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION Volume 25 Page 27 is the oldest that I have found so far
There is also a Eleanor Simpson (b) 1846 mmn Embleton D Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION Volume 25 Page 24
Eleanor jnr and William are both on the same 1871 census above so definitely following the right line
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There's a marriage on FamilySearch of a Richard Simpson 31 Jan 1837, St. Hilda's South Shields to an Eleanor Miller, could Eleanor have been a widow?
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There's a marriage on FamilySearch of a Richard Simpson 31 Jan 1837, St. Hilda's South Shields to an Eleanor Miller, could Eleanor have been a widow?
Not sure ? it would explain a lot though
Does it give his or her place of birth ?
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Sorry, scrap that. According to Durham Records Online that Eleanor was a spinster.
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Marriages March qtr 1840
EMBLETON Eleanor Tynemouth 20 392
EDIT
Tree on FS shows she married Walter Blakey and died 1849
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I saw that marriage Carole and wondered so clicked for more info:-
The volume 20 is not valid for district Tynemouth in the year 1840 and therefore there may be an error in the GRO index or in the transcription. Please see here for information about volumes associated with particular districts. The expected volume is 25.
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Hi
When you check the page on freebmd - all other entries are for the Manchester RD. I looked for Simpson in the same qtr/year but no match
She did die as Eleanor Blakey in 1849
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Was this the death you found?
BLAKEY, ELEANOR 32
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 253
If the age is correct gives a birth year of 1817 so younger by four years than the Eleanor that Davy has. Also Davy's Eleanor appears alive and kicking in the 1871 census.
Doesn't matter what you try nothing promising shows up.
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If they married pre-1837 then we are dependent on parish registers/online transcriptions.
I can't find anything on SP either - thought they may have married there
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Even just searching for Richard Simpson brings nothing of note up
Very strange
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I notice that in the 1851 census all the family state they were born in Norham, Northumberland. Perhaps it might be worthwhile accessing the marriage records for Norham to see if anything can be found there.
There is just a possibility that for whatever reason the marriage missed going on the main GRO index.
Link below to the Northumberland Archives
http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/collections/
I don't know if they can help but it may be worth a try.
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Marriages March qtr 1840
EMBLETON Eleanor Tynemouth 20 392
EDIT
Tree on FS shows she married Walter Blakey and died 1849
Just as an aside, the marriage could be cross-checked on the North Tyneside site, which confirms Walter Blakey. http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/marriage-register.shtml
I can't find anything on SP either - thought they may have married there
It could have been an 'Irregular' cross-border marriage at Coldstream :-\ http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lgs/ The problem with these is that they weren't all recorded.
Perhaps they didn't get married at all :-\
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You would think a name like Eleanor Embleton would be quite rare and easy to find :-\
I'm really struggling to find much on Richard Simpson as births date around 1807 so unless he lied about his age on census records which all date his birth to 1809
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You would think a name like Eleanor Embleton would be quite rare and easy to find :-\
I'm really struggling to find much on Richard Simpson as births date around 1807 so unless he lied about his age on census records which all date his birth to 1809
I can see your Richard in 1851 at East Newbiggen, Berwick on Tweed.
Have you traced him in 1841?
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Seem to be both in Norham in 1841
Township of Horncliff
piece 319 book 5 folio 9 page 12
Eleanor Embleton, 28
with Thomas and Eleanor Embleton
Next but one household
William Simpson (bottom of page)
next page
Jane Simpson
Richard Simpson 30
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I was just typing out exactly the same thing ;D
I can't see any Simpson or Embleton baptisms in the Norham BT's (but I'm happy to be proved wrong) http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lgt/
Possibly they were Presbyterian?
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Well it's unusual for me to get there first!
There's a baptism at Norham (indexed on FamilySearch)
30 April 1849
William Simpson
parents Richard (Simpson) and Ellen Embleton
It looks like generally only one surname is given in the Norham register, as you would expect. Perhaps it might be an indication that they weren't married. It would be good to see the original.
John
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Well it's unusual for me to get there first!
There's a baptism at Norham (indexed on FamilySearch)
30 April 1849
William Simpson
parents Richard (Simpson) and Ellen Embleton
It looks like generally only one surname is given in the Norham register, as you would expect. Perhaps it might be an indication that they weren't married. It would be good to see the original.
John
Yeah I saw this one I would say its the correct entry for my Simpson
She's definitely Eleanor but of course Ellen could be short name for her
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Yeah I saw this one I would say its the correct entry for my Simpson
Did you notice jon's reply #16 re. the 1841 census :-\
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Yeah I saw this one I would say its the correct entry for my Simpson
Did you notice jon's reply #16 re. the 1841 census :-\
Yeah that will be the two of them so they weren't married in 1841 but I've done a search from 1830 to 1850 i think it was and found nothing
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So looks like Eleanor parents are Thomas Embleton b 1778 and Elaine b 1778?
And Richards parents are William Simpson b 1781 Jane b 1781 though ages were rounded down on 1841 census by 5 years
So Richard and Eleanor were quite old when they got married by the looks of it
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So looks like Eleanor parents are Thomas Embleton b 1778 and Elaine b 1778?
And Richards parents are William Simpson b 1781 Jane b 1781 though ages were rounded down on 1841 census by 5 years
It's possible, but you need to be careful, as relationships weren't shown on the 1841.
That's why I was looking for baptisms, but they don't appear on the Norham BT's.
If you're near Newcastle Central Library it would be worth dropping in to the Local Studies dept to take a quick look at the Norham Presbyterian* Registers, just in case Richard and Eleanor can be found there http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lgw/
So Richard and Eleanor were quite old when they got married by the looks of it
If they got married :-\
* If I have the right person, Richard's daughter Jane married at a Presbyterian Church in 1878 (Berwickshire News, 11 June 1878)
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So looks like Eleanor parents are Thomas Embleton b 1778 and Elaine b 1778?
And Richards parents are William Simpson b 1781 Jane b 1781 though ages were rounded down on 1841 census by 5 years
It's possible, but you need to be careful, as relationships weren't shown on the 1841.
That's why I was looking for baptisms, but they don't appear on the Norham BT's.
If you're near Newcastle Central Library it would be worth dropping in to the Local Studies dept to take a quick look at the Norham Presbyterian* Registers, just in case Richard and Eleanor can be found there http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lgw/
So Richard and Eleanor were quite old when they got married by the looks of it
If they got married :-\
* If I have the right person, Richard's daughter Jane married at a Presbyterian Church in 1878 (Berwickshire News, 11 June 1878)
Is that like a hard copy Jen or on microfilm? The Presbyterian Registers
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I messaged a kind Rootschatter who goes regularly to Woodhorn, she will do a few lookups for you and report back.
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I messaged a kind Rootschatter who goes regularly to Woodhorn, she will do a few lookups for you and report back.
Ooh lovely thank you Jen
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No Death record for Richard Simpson either, he's a pain in the bum this bloke.
He's on the 1861 census then not on the 1871 census and Eleanor is down as a widow so I'm guessing he died between those years but yet again nowt on him ?
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Sure this isn't his death?
SIMPSON, RICHARD 53
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED Volume 10B Page 231
Do the maths and you get a birth year of 1809.
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Sure this isn't his death?
SIMPSON, RICHARD 53
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED Volume 10B Page 231
Do the maths and you get a birth year of 1809.
Looks like it's him yeah don't know why I couldnt find that :-\ think I'm gonna give up soon maybe come back to family history in a few years time
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Marriages March qtr 1840
EMBLETON Eleanor Tynemouth 20 392
EDIT
Tree on FS shows she married Walter Blakey and died 1849
Just as an aside, the marriage could be cross-checked on the North Tyneside site, which confirms Walter Blakey. http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/marriage-register.shtml
I can't find anything on SP either - thought they may have married there
It could have been an 'Irregular' cross-border marriage at Coldstream :-\ http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lgs/ The problem with these is that they weren't all recorded.
Perhaps they didn't get married at all :-\
Three cheers for Jen she was correct :)
Richard Simpson did marry Eleanor Embleton on a cross border marriage at Lamberton Toll 18th July 1841
And they were Presbyterian
Jen's always right you know ;D
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Richard Simpson did marry Eleanor Embleton on a cross border marriage at Lamberton Toll 18th July 1841
And they were Presbyterian
That's a nice find. I'm pleased to be right about the cross-border marriage, though I got the location wrong ::) How fortunate you are that it was recorded.
Jen's always right you know ;D
Far from it ;D