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Thomas Wm Jackson birth registered in Patea NZ born 16th Feb 1901 Parents Thomas Mateson Jackson born Liverpool England age 32 Mother Mary Ellen Jackson nee o Shannesy (think this could be Shaughnessy) age 30 born London UK. Seem to have married 1895 not sure if UK or NZ.
I would appreciate any information on this family i.e Arrival in NZ etc & any other info. Thank you
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They married in New Zealand
New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1937
Thomas Matheson Jackson
Marriage Year: 1895
Marriage Place: New Zealand
Spouse: Mary Ellen O'Shaughnessey
Relation: Bridegroom
Folio Number: 238
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Thomas Matheson Jackson's family in 1871. Strange occupation for his father.
RG10; Piece: 3815; Folio: 63; Page: 14
Seacomb Street, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire
John Jackson 50 Town Missionary Ireland
Rachel Jackson 50 Ireland
John W Jackson 23 Ship Steward Ireland
Sarah Jackson 19 Dressmaker Ireland
Rachel Jackson 15 Machinist Ireland
Thomas M Jackson 3 Liverpool
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His father's birth, with mother maiden name Kean - from GRO site
JACKSON, THOMAS MATHESON mmn KEAN
1868 M Quarter
WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK
Volume 08B Page 453
Birth 17th Feb 1868
Baptism 13 Apr 1868 • St Peter's, Liverpool, Lancashire (father's occupation Town Missionary)
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Thank you Groom very interesting I am researching for present day family living in NZ they are trying to trace the irish connection they had thought it was through Thomas williams mother o shaughnessy but it seems is also through the Jackson line. Do you know what "town missionary" means as occupation.
Can you see any passenger record of thomas matteson jackson going to NZ. :)
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I googled Town Missionary and got a result from an old Rootschat thread which may help
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=634833.0
At the moment I can't find him on a passenger list or the family in 1891.
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By 1881, his father has died:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-D4TN
Children John, Sarah, and William are still in the household, there is the addition of a son Robert. Rachel Jr. perhaps married.
By 1891, Sarah has married, mother Rachel and brother John are in the household with her:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7389-16Z
This census indicates that the Jacksons are from County Down.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/parliamentary/AJHR1907-I.2.4.2.21/2
- Thomas Matheson Jackson was a mariner, here he is recorded receiving a certificate of competency as First Mate in 1907 (page 26)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/parliamentary/AJHR1909-II.2.4.2.20/2
and as Master in 1909 (page 37)
If he travelled to NZ as crew, he wouldn't necessarily appear on passenger lists.
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Thank you jorose for all the information. I can investigate the Co Down origins :)
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They married in New Zealand
New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1937
Thomas Matheson Jackson
Marriage Year: 1895
Marriage Place: New Zealand
Spouse: Mary Ellen O'Shaughnessey
Relation: Bridegroom
Folio Number: 238
Groom does the marriage record give fathers name of Mary Ellen?
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No sorry, there is no image, just what I gave you.
There is a tree on Ancestry (obviously would need checking) this gives:
Father: Patrick O'SHAUGHNESSY
BIRTH: Abt 1839 in Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland
DEATH: 28 August 1914 • Patea, Taranaki, New Zealand
Mother: Mary FITZGERALD
BIRTH: Abt 1841 Ireland
DEATH:4th June 1920 Marton, Rangitikei, New Zealand
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The O Shaughnessy details seem plausible Patrick died in Patea same place thomas william was born so possible family emigrated from UK where mary ellen was born. Will have a look in UK for them Tks again
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You could order a copy of the marriage, that would give you more information:
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/
It should confirm her parents' names.
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You could order a copy of the marriage, that would give you more information:
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/
It should confirm her parents' names.
Thank you jorose this will be the best option I hope it has her parents names
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You could order a copy of the marriage, that would give you more information:
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/
It should confirm her parents' names.
Thank you jorose this will be the best option I hope it has her parents names
Hi ballydw
Do be sure if ordering a New Zealand marriage (birth or death) record, that you request a "Printout" copy (rather than a certificate). This is a copy of the register entry and gives the most amount of information available. ;)
I have some additional info for Mary JACKSON (O'SHAUGHNESSY) to follow.
~ Lu
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You could order a copy of the marriage, that would give you more information:
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/
It should confirm her parents' names.
Thank you jorose this will be the best option I hope it has her parents names
Hi ballydw
Do be sure if ordering a New Zealand marriage (birth or death) record, that you request a "Printout" copy (rather than a certificate). This is a copy of the register entry and gives the most amount of information available. ;)
I have some additional info for Mary JACKSON (O'SHAUGHNESSY) to follow.
~ Lu
Thank you Lu look forward to info on Mary Jackson. Have since found details on Thomas Matheson Jackson cemetery internment. He was a Sea Captain died 20th April 1937 age 69(ties in with his birth 1868) Hawera General Episcopalian cemetery.
Ref the marriage of Thomas to Mary Ellen Shaughnessy I found the entry on NZ gov site but she is recorded as Mary EDEN O Shaughnessey :)
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Hi ballydw
The following link is to the Probate file for Mary JACKSON of New Plymouth, Taranaki (Year: 1919) ... which includes a copy of her Will.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99CX-YZGP?i=39&wc=7HG9-F37%3A1045249501%2C1045722301%3Fcc%3D1865481&cc=1865481
At Image # 42 of the record, Thomas Matheson JACKSON in his affidavit, confirms that Mary was born* at London, England ... and that he was born at Liverpool, England.
[* I have a transcription of the baptism for Mary, to follow. ]
~ Lu
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Ref the marriage of Thomas to Mary Ellen Shaughnessy I found the entry on NZ gov site but she is recorded as Mary EDEN O Shaughnessey :)
Hi ballydw
Yes, a couple of spelling errors in that NZ BDM (online) listing. ::) ;D
[From another resource (NZSG Marriages), I have the listing as "Mary Ellen" with surname spelled as "O'SHAUGHNESSEY". ]
But the listing at NZ BDM is the one you order from*. :)
NZ Marriage
1895 / 2743
Mary Eden O'SHAUGHNESSEY - Thomas Matheson JACKSON
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* You may of course want a copy of the Marriage record anyway, but the Baptism record I'm about to post, gives her parent's details. ;)
~ Lu
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Hi ballydw
Mary's baptism :
Note: On the image for this baptism record, the details are handwritten onto what I believe is a standard typeset form in Latin, as used by the Roman Catholic Church. My transcription here, is (mostly) in English. Note 2 : The Registration of Mary's birth appears to have been in the JUN quarter of 1866 . However, the year of birth on the baptism record has been entered as "1867".
ENG - Roman Catholic Baptisms :
[Source: FindMyPast ]
Church : Our Lady - St John's Wood, Middlesex
Deanery: Marylebone, Westminster
Born: 10 May 1867* (see earlier note) [month written (in Latin) as "Maii" ]
Baptised : 25 May 1867
Maria O'SHAUGHNESSY
Father: Patrick O'SHAUGHNESSY
Mother: Maria ( olim FITZGERALD ) conjugum
Sponsors :
(Patrinus fuit) Thomas FITZGERALD
(Matrina fuit) Maria O'SHAUGHNESSY
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From FREE BMD >
BIRTHS - JUN - 1866
O'SHAUGHNESSEY - Mary
Registered at Kensington [Middlesex]
~ Lu
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Father: Patrick O'SHAUGHNESSY
Mother: Maria ( olim FITZGERALD ) conjugum
That's interesting Lu, as those are the parents given on the tree I found, so looks as if that bit is correct.
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Thank you Lu your a star was going to mention groom had found an online tree withthese parents but he beat me to it. Great info lot more research to do on the irish side. Thanks again to all posters :) :)
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... oops ... sorry Groom ... I had meant to acknowledge your earlier find. :)
[Currently gasping for a nice cup of coffee ! ] ;D
Ballydw ... you'll no doubt find the O'SHAUGHNESSY's on UK census ... I had a quick look - there's a puzzling entry for 1871 (Staffs. - Newcastle-under-Lyme), but birthplace of that Mary is wrong ?? And Patrick the father, is a coal miner ? In NZ he was a "shoemaker" according to an electoral roll entry (though occupations can change over the years) ?
Will leave you to search further.
~ Lu
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... oops ... sorry Groom ... I had meant to acknowledge your earlier find. :)
[Currently gasping for a nice cup of coffee ! ] ;D
Ballydw ... you'll no doubt find the O'SHAUGHNESSY's on UK census ... I had a quick look - there's a puzzling entry for 1871 (Staffs. - Newcastle-under-Lyme), but birthplace of that Mary is wrong ?? And Patrick the father, is a coal miner ? In NZ he was a "shoemaker" according to an electoral roll entry (though occupations can change over the years) ?
Will leave you to search further.
~ Lu
Lu enjoy the coffee you earned it ;) Didnt realise Patrick Shaughnessy was found in NZ I cant find them on UK census 1871 & I was wondering if they had gone to NZ :)
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I had a quick look - there's a puzzling entry for 1871 (Staffs. - Newcastle-under-Lyme), but birthplace of that Mary is wrong ??
The place that the owner of the tree I found on Ancestry has for 1881 is Wolverhampton Staffordshire, but as you say totally the wrong POB and the mother is Sarah. They then go on to have the family in Scotland in 1891.
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.. [the coffee was "de-lishi-mo" ] ;D
Here is the burial record (headstone inscription) for Patrick :
Patea Cemetery - Taranaki NZ :
Plot 10 : ILMO Patrick O'SHAUGHNESSY - died 29 August 1914 aged 75 years.
ALSO, Mary, the beloved wife of Thomas Matheson JACKSON, died 20 December, 1918 - aged 52 years.
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Plot 11 : ILMO - 44508 - Pte Thomas William [JACKSON] beloved son of Thomas and Mary JACKSON. d. 29 August 1953 aged 52 years.
Am assuming that Mary JACKSON shares the plot with her father, Patrick ?
~ Lu
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I think the Staffordshire Mary is this one, so not yours
Births Dec 1867
Shaughnessy Mary
Newcastle L. 6b 60
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... from memory, just the one electoral roll entry for Patrick in NZ ?
I'll go back and check ... and then post details here.
Had looked earlier for a death / funeral notice for him - as well as for a Probate file, but alas, nothing found.
~ Lu
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Yes, Groom, I'd agree ... looks like Staffs find is another Mary O'SHAUGHNESSY. ;)
PS: I'm just a gonna have a peek at that Ancestry tree. ;D
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ballydw ... just digressing slightly
... I think this is probably the arrival in New Zealand of Mary (Mary Ellen) O'SHAUGHNESSY (later to be w/o Thomas William JACKSON) ?
Ship: "Rimutaka" - arrived 26 March 1886 - into various NZ ports.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FSBC-4NB
> click on blue link at r-hand side to open passenger list.
[Sorry, there's maintenance going on currently at that FamilySearch site and something's going wonky when trying to post links. ]
This Mary was aged 18 (bc 1868) ... native place given is "Limerick" ??
BUT .. I think I just spotted on another ancestry tree relating to Patrick and Mary O'SHAUGHNESSY, info which seems to suggest that the family may have returned to (Limerick) Ireland and that further children were born to the couple, there. ???
Maybe this explains their apparent absence from UK Census returns ??
Also, the Mary arriving in NZ in 1886, appears to have maybe been sponsored by someone "already living in the Colony" (The Colony, meaning NZ).
Will investigate further.
~ Lu
Edited: to add further detail.
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... this looks like Mary JACKSON's parents arriving in NZ.
# 07119
O'SHAUGHNESSY
Pat. - Bootmaker - 55 years
Mrs M. * (wife) - 54
Both of Irish birth - Contracted to land at Wellington NZ
Ship : "Corinthic"
From London on 18 November 1903
Arrived : 6 January 1904 at Wellington
[Transcribed from "Outwards UK Passengers Lists". There is also a rather moth-eaten looking image of the "Corinthic" list amongst the NZ Passenger lists at FamilySearch - and it is missing info. The index listing gives "Mary" O'SHAUGHNESSY as a passenger but that is not what appears on the actual image (just has Mrs. M. ) ]
~ Lu
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Ah .... possibly this is your Mary ???
[Father named as Patrick ... address in Limerick is given too.]
I'll see if I can find more on the sponsor for Mary. May have been a relative who'd arrived earlier in NZ ?
http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/DisplayPerson/?Id=36092&SearchString=o%27shaughnessy&Pag
~ Lu
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.... Mary's sponsor > very probably the lady in this NZ marriage ? (She's also her namesake. ;D )
Mary O'SHAUGHNESSY - Charles GAYNE - Year: 1877
Will see what else can be had for this couple.
~ Lu
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... Mary O'SHAUGHNESSY (the elder) - marriage at Auckland, 1877.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18770609.2.8
[The "Patea Mail" newspaper has a death for her husband Charles in ..... 1884.]
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PATM18840924.2.8
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Hi Ballydw
... don't know if you're actually needing this additional info for relatives of Mary JACKSON (nee O'SHAUGHNESSY), but will add it here in case it's of interest.
Mary O'SHAUGHNESSY (the elder m. Charles GAYNE 1877) appears to have been the aunt of Mary JACKSON ?
Here is the link to the Administration (with Will annexed) file, of Mary GAYNE of Kakaramea, County of Patea, widow of Charles GAYNE. Her Will mentions her brother Patrick O'SHAUGHNESSY of D____ ? Limerick - shoemaker. Edit: should read as "bootmaker" [I would think that this is the man and his wife, (the parents of Mary JACKSON), who arrived in NZ early 1904 ?? ]
~ Lu
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99N5-2LYG?i=89&wc=7HT1-KXH%3A1045248401%2C1045396501%3Fcc%3D1865481&cc=1865481
Edits - made to correct occupation above ... and to add >
there was also a Probate file for Charles GAYNE who had died in 1884 - which wasn't actioned until the year of death of his wife Mary (1891). The Probate files for both contained copied of their respective death certificates ; (not terribly helpful from a genealogical viewpoint) ; it appears too, that there was "no issue of the union":
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You must be exhausted Lu with all the info you have uncovered ;) Since the news of Patrick going to NZ in 1904 I checked the Ireland census of 1901 & found Patrick a 59 Shoemaker, Wife Mary a 59 living in Dromcolliher Limerick. I then found births registered for 2 more children in co limerick
1. James 29th May 1869 Parents Patrick & Mary (nee fitzgerald)
2. Michael 13th Sept 1880 same parents
My eyes are getting tired will check again tomorow as there may be more births as there is 11 years between births of the above children.
Did you find the manifest of Patrick & Mary in 1904 wonder if any family were with them./
The marriage you found for Mary Shaughnessy probably may be a sister of Patricks. Again much appreciate all your hard work. Rgds Frances :)
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Burial of Mary O'SHAUGHNESSY - d. 1920 - aged 79 years (bc 1841)
Photo included.
This seems to be Mary JACKSON's mother ?
https://www.rangitikei.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/database?record_id=OSHAUGHNESS
~ Lu
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... [perked up by that earlier coffee ... but now starting to wilt, a tad. ;D ]
Hi Frances .. good work on your part with the census find. ;)
No, no others travelling in 1903-04 with the parents (Mary and Patrick). But I do suspect other children may have arrived independently - and I have some further records to check out at this end.
Yes - did find manifest for 1903-04 voyage to NZ (ancestry - "UK Outward passengers" ) and, as I mentioned earlier, the moth-eaten (partially destroyed) passenger list at FamilySearch which is likely the "immigration into NZ" copy. If you go to FamSearch you can easily bring up the passenger lists under "New Zealand" records. I didn't look at further "O'SHAUGHNESSY's" as not familiar with names of other family members.
I'm taking a break now (for a grandma nap) ... back later today hopefully.
~ Lu
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Hi Frances
James O'SHAUGHNESSY (b. 1869) ... very likely the chap here, on the "Arawa" to NZ in 1887 ?
Aged 17 years ( bc 1870) - ex Limerick - occ: Farm labourer.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FSY5-HY4
Also arrived under sponsorship - will check further.
~ Lu
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James O'SHAUGHNESSY :
Mmm ... his name didn't come up in my earlier searches of "colonial-nominated" passengers.
But again the sponsor is Mrs Mary GAYNE of Kakaramea, (Taranaki district).
http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/DisplayPerson/?Id=36094&SearchString=Arawa&Page=6&searchY
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NZ Marriage :
[Almost embarrassed to show how this name was transcribed. ::) ;D Our NZ BDM has something to answer for considering you're required to enter into the search box, names, exactly as they have them spelled. i. e. no wild card searches available. Bah !! ]
O'SHANPHRESSY ;D[sic] - James -- Eleanor BUCKRIDGE -- Year: 1899
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James died in 1949 - and is buried with wife Eleanor (also known as Julia), and two sons, James d. 1974 age 68 and John Thomas d. 1930 aged 20 yrs.
They are all interred at the Marton Cemetery (Mount View) - which is the same place that Mary O'SHAUGHNESSY (mother of Mary JACKSON) was also laid to rest. (See earlier Reference I gave for her.)
James and Eleanor appear to have had quite a number of children.
~ Lu
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Fantastic information Lu thank you. Am now reverting to a family member living in Australia his mother was Jackson lives in NZ but havent researched the family extensively and my request was to find if they had Irish connections so if James O Shaughnessy had several children it will be interesting to maybe trace their offspring another project.
My contact in Australia his parents have a farm in Taranaki but have it leased out in later years.
Rgds Frances :)
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Lucy2 is it possible when u have time to check if Thomas Matheson Jackson & Mary Shaughnessy had any other children - they married in 1895 & Thomas William was born 1901. Rgds & Tks again Frances :)
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From this site:
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/search?path=%2FqueryEntry.m%3Ftype%3Dbirths
1899/5296 Jackson Sarah Julia Mary Thomas Matheson -
1895/6069 Jackson Rachel Mary Mary Ellen Thomas Matheson
1901/11684 Jackson Thomas William Mary Ellen Thomas Matheson -
1909/24393 Jackson Robert Henry Mary Thomas Matheson -
1896/8526 Jackson Dorothy Mary Thomas Matheson -
1912/25461 Jackson Patrick Francis Mary Thomas Mathison
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Thank you Hurworth more research to be done on these family members :)
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I am a great grand daughter of Captain Thomas Matheson Jackson, my 97 yr old mother is his grand daughter.
Dorothy (Dolly) Eileen Adams (my grand mother) was his daughter.
Thomas & Mary had 6 children that we know of
Rachel who married Alfred Alabaster - Raetihi
Dorothy married Thomas Andrew Pellet Adams (Adelaide, Australian) they lived in Hawera - eventually.
James married Edna - Ian their son is very interested in "the tree" - I have yet to contact him with all the information you are discovering - BUT you do not mention James - and he certainly existed!
Not sure of the next order
Tommy
Bob
Frank.
Mum has memories of her grand father.
Who is Sarah Julia Mary? she is about the time that Uncle Jim was born.
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Thomas & Mary had 6 children that we know of ....
James married Edna - [name removed ] their son is very interested in "the tree" - I have yet to contact him with all the information you are discovering - BUT you do not mention James - and he certainly existed!
Hello Judith Mullin ... welcome to RootsChat. :)
The following appears to be the birth registration for the "missing" James.
It appears on the NZ Birth index (online version) as >
1904 / 19457 - JACKSON - James Patrick
Mother: Mary
Father: Thomas
From another resource, I can tell you that this birth was registered (third quarter 1904) at Patea (Taranaki).
NZ Death Index
1969 - JACKSON - James Patrick - aged 64 years [= born circa 1905 ]
[Date of death (from cemetery record) 16 March 1969 ]
There is also a Probate record held for this man at Archives New Zealand (Wellington office) ... usually this would be accessible for viewing online, however the link to same (Wellington probates) @familysearch website, is not currently working.
James Patrick JACKSON is buried at Taihape Cemetery, the record for which states he was the husband of "Edna Mavis" ... and father of .... [names not recorded here in this thread to protect privacy of living persons].
NZ Marriage Index
James Patrick JACKSON - Edna Mavis de BERRY -- Year : 1931
~ Lu
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Headstone photograph for James Patrick JACKSON............
https://billiongraves.com/grave/James-Patrick-Jackson/20499790
Added: headstone photograph for Thomas Matheson JACKSON......
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172088736/thomas-matheson-jackson
Minniehaha.
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Who is Sarah Julia Mary? she is about the time that Uncle Jim was born.
Hi again
The child Sarah Julia JACKSON (not Sarah Julia Mary - Mary was the mother's name) born 1899 registered at Patea, sadly died as an infant.
NZ Death Index
1900 - JACKSON - Sarah Julia -- aged 11 months
Death Registered at Patea but haven't as yet been able to find a cemetery/burial record for her.
~ Lu
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You people are amazing, thank you so much!
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"1900 - JACKSON - Sarah Julia -- aged 11 months
Death Registered at Patea but haven't as yet been able to find a cemetery/burial record for her.
~ Lu "
Actual date of death= 4.3.1900.
Minniehaha.
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Further to reply #14, not sure if you have this?
Photograph of the headstone for William JACKSON......
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/180698022/william-jackson
Added: The obituary [1917] of William JACKSON, [born County Down] father of Captain Jackson..,
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PATM19170727.2.15?end_date=31-12-1917&phrase=2&query=william+jackson&start_date=01-01-1917&title=HNS%2COPUNT%2CPATM%2CSTEP%2CTDN%2CTH
["Leaves one daughter & five sons"]
Added: The probated will of William JACKSON......
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9ZM-RCCB?i=114&cc=1865481
Minniehaha.
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This may be the obituary of the widow of William JACKSON. If so, she is not mentioned in his will.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PATM19260416.2.8?end_date=31-12-1949&query=sarah+jackson&start_date=01-01-1917&title=HNS%2COPUNT%2CPATM%2CSTEP%2CTDN%2CTH
["Leaves one daughter & five sons"] The children are named, Captain Thomas is not mentioned so does the death notice (together with the funeral notice attached to the headstone photograph for William Jackson above), relate to another Captain Jackson?
Added: Her burial details.....
Record Number : 6583
Name : Estate of Sarah Jackson
Section : Hawera General Wesleyan
New Plot ID : 3097
Block : II
Row :
Old Plot No : 18
Interment Status : Occupied
Plot Notes :
X Coord :
Y Coord:
Funeral Co-ordinator : D McCormick & Company
Date Of Death : 12/04/1926
Date Of Interment : 14/04/1926
Date Of Birth :
Type Of Interment : Burial
Depth Of Plot : Single
Deceased Age - Years : 0
- Months : 0
- Weeks :
- Days :
- Hours :
Occupation :
Place Of Death :
Marital Status :
Gender :
Denomination : Wesleyan
Nationality :
Birth Place :
Headstone Photo :
Officiating :
Minniehaha.
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Groom's parent's names might be on a printout.