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Title: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: stevemiller on Monday 05 February 18 12:54 GMT (UK)
This photo is said to show five generations in a direct female line.

Please could folk suggest a date when it was taken?

Any guesses for the age of the girl?

I might then be able to have a stab at a couple of identities.

many thanks
Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: diplodicus on Tuesday 06 February 18 17:16 GMT (UK)
May I enquire as to their possible nationalities? That might help establish a date more accurately.
Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 06 February 18 17:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

1890s and little girl maybe 4 or 5.


Gadget
Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: stevemiller on Tuesday 06 February 18 18:16 GMT (UK)
diplodicus - I assume the three ladies in black are Syrian, but I don't know a thing about them.
The young girl, Lily Gabriel (pronounced "Djabrill"), was born in Withrington, Manchester. Her mother Wadia Gabriel nee Esper was born in Damascus, but became British when she married in 1890 ; her husband Joseph had became a naturalised citizen in 1889. 

Gadget - on the nail as always!

Lily was born in 1892, so can we say 1896 or 1897 for the photo? 
Her mother was born 1873, so aged 23 or 24 here?

Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 06 February 18 22:19 GMT (UK)
I agree with Gadget's estimates late 1890s going by the big sleeves of the lady at the back.
Carol
Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: stevemiller on Wednesday 07 February 18 09:25 GMT (UK)
Thank you Carol - it's lovely to establish confirmation of these handed down photos and stories.
Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: McGroger on Friday 09 February 18 07:22 GMT (UK)
Thought they deserved a tidy.
Peter
Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: stevemiller on Friday 09 February 18 08:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you Peter - that's very kind and much appreciated.

The photo I have is just over A4 size and seems to have lost definition, possibly due to being enlarged (?)
Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: McGroger on Friday 09 February 18 09:53 GMT (UK)
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The photo I have is just over A4 size and seems to have lost definition, possibly due to being enlarged (?)

Not too technically minded, Steve, but possibly the original was quite faded with age and the enlarged one shows up the damage/fading more than the smaller original does. If not that I guess it must have been something in the way the enlarged version was made.
Peter
Title: Re: Wadia GABRIEL and 5 Generations - what date is this photo please?
Post by: stevemiller on Friday 09 February 18 10:35 GMT (UK)
The only damage actually on the copy I have is the white splodges on the right-hand border; everything else is on the original.

As you say, Peter, the copying of the fading - especially on the faces - has not improved it.

I assume the original was taken in Beirut (now Lebanon) where techniques may have differed compared to Manchester.