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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: nichbuket on Tuesday 06 February 18 01:54 GMT (UK)
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On 21 july 1809 Anne Castle married James Henney (signed it as Hanney) at St Mary, Islington by license. It is my hope that finding a copy of that license will help trace them back as we've this brick wall. The issue is we can't seem to find a copy of it.
Any advice on where to track down a copy would be wonderful.
Thanks,
Nich
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Googling the church...
http://www.stmaryislington.org/family-history/
They recommend the London metropolitan archives.
A license has to be got from somewhere but not necessarily from the church where the marriage occurred, so the LMA might be able to say where to look.
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It is unlikely you will find the actual licence, these were handed to the groom who handed it to the Vicar. What happened to it after that is anyone's guess. However, all is not lost as the Archdiocese issuing the licence should have a record of the Marriage Licence Bond or Allegation. More info on this site:- http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/mar...ce-records/34/
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Not all of these documents have survived. Marriage Bonds and Allegations for London are available via Ancestry - however there is no record for James Henney/Anne Castle in 1809.
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This was not a Bishop of London licence, so it's not on Ancestry.
The licence was issued by the Archbishop of Canterbury through the Faculty Office, on 20 July 1809.
A copy of the allegation or bond can be ordered from the Society of Genealogists in London, who hold microfilms of the records, quoting the date of issue (not of marriage). Cost £15.
http://www.sog.org.uk/books-courses/document-hard-copy-service/
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Thank you, Bookbox - always good to find the correct source. :)
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Thank You All!
I had been going through record after record for the wrong source. oy ::)
Would you recommend when ordering to use the grooms surname as it was indexed in the Parish record or as he signed it or both: Henney/Hanney?
I appreciate everyone's prompt replies and excellent help.
Nich
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Looking at the image, I did not interpret James' signature as Hanney
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I would use HENNEY, as this is how the name is spelt in the Faculty Office licence index. The spelling that appears in the marriage register is irrelevant in this context.
Please don't expect too much from the document, as it may add very little to what you already know.
If I remember correctly, for this date in the Faculty Office there are no allegations (which would be more useful), but only bonds. You should get the name of a bondsman, who may be a relative, close friend or business associate of the groom, but probably very little else of genealogical use. It's only fair to warn you.
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This was not a Bishop of London licence, so it's not on Ancestry.
The licence was issued by the Archbishop of Canterbury through the Faculty Office, on 20 July 1809.
A copy of the allegation or bond can be ordered from the Society of Genealogists in London, who hold microfilms of the records, quoting the date of issue (not of marriage). Cost £15.
http://www.sog.org.uk/books-courses/document-hard-copy-service/
Hello
I have a feeling that these Marriage Licences issued by the Faculty Office were Special Licences.
http://www.facultyoffice.org.uk/special-licences/
Yes, the Society Genealogists (SoG) as already suggested.
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I believe an ordinary Marriage Licence (about 200 years ago) was valid for up to three months.
Mark
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I have a feeling that these Marriage Licences issued by the Faculty Office were Special Licences.
Not quite. This is sometimes misunderstood. The link you provide relates to modern-day licences.
Historically, licences for marriage issued by the Archbishop of Canterbury were obtained by one of two routes -- via the Vicar-General's office, or via the Faculty Office. The Faculty Office issued common licences as well as special licences. This information leaflet from Lambeth Palace gives more information.
www.lambethpalacelibrary.org/files/Marriage_Records_0.pdf
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I have a feeling that these Marriage Licences issued by the Faculty Office were Special Licences.
Not quite. This is sometimes misunderstood. The link you provide relates to modern-day licences.
Historically, licences for marriage issued by the Archbishop of Canterbury were obtained by one of two routes -- via the Vicar-General's office, or via the Faculty Office. The Faculty Office issued common licences as well as special licences. This information leaflet from Lambeth Palace gives more information.
www.lambethpalacelibrary.org/files/Marriage_Records_0.pdf
Hello Bookbox
Thank you for the clarification and the link.
Mark
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Thank you all for the helpful information. I was able to get in contact with a very nice woman at the society of genealogists and asked whether or not the records for that day included allegations and not just bonds--due to what Bookbox mentioned. Her reply was: "The Faculty Office marriage license allegations and Vicar General marriage license allegations listed in our hard-copy index are indeed allegations and not bonds."
I'm having a dilly of a time trying to find their "hard-copy index" on their site. When you got the date of issue Bookbox, as the 20th did you search their hard copy index or another?
thanks again!
Nich
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The 'hard-copy index' is exactly that - a hard copy, on the shelves at the SoG. The online version is available to SoG members only.
The index has been digitised by FindMyPast, but they don't specify whether any record is an allegation or a bond.
Good news that there's an allegation!