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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: csjjpm on Wednesday 07 February 18 14:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm looking for any information on the following people who emigrated from the Ballinamallard area of Fermanagh in the 1910/20s to Dundee:
Robert Armstrong 16 Oct 1890 - had a son in Ireland called George
Susan Armstrong 16 Aug 1896 - married a man John Houston
Maargaret Armstrong 12 Jul 1898 - may have married a man McGechie
I've searched for spouses on Ancestry and FreeBMD without success. I've also tried Dundee newspaper archives.
Paul
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For reference here's the family in 1901 living in Salloon townland- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Ballinamallard/Salloon/1355082
Family has moved into Ballinamallard by 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Bellanamallard/Bellanamallard_Town/521071
Can't see a birth for George in Enniskillen district but perhaps he was born after 1916.
Scottish births, marriages and deaths, as well as 1911 Scottish census, on Scotland's People site (pay per view)
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Yes , you can search Scotlandspeople indexes for free once you register.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
You'll need to pay for credits to download certificates but limits apply to what you can view online-
Births - 100 years
Marriages - 75 years
Deaths - 50 years
There is a death for a Susan Armstrong(other surname Houston) , age 61 , 1957 Dundee West , Angus.
ev
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Death for a Margaret Armstrong(other surname McGechie) , age 52 , 1950 Lochee(Dundee) Angus.
Marriage for a Margaret Armstrong / William McGechie , 1919 , Lochee(Dundee) Angus.
ev
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For reference here's the family in 1901 living in Salloon townland- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Ballinamallard/Salloon/1355082
Family has moved into Ballinamallard by 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Bellanamallard/Bellanamallard_Town/521071
Can't see a birth for George in Enniskillen district but perhaps he was born after 1916.
Scottish births, marriages and deaths, as well as 1911 Scottish census, on Scotland's People site (pay per view)
Thank you, I should have emphasised just information from Scotland as I had the census stuff already. Thanks for the pointer to the Scottish site, I wasn't aware of that one. I'll check it out.
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Thank you for both of these. I'll look into this site. One of the deaths is supposed to correspond with the wedding of their nephew Jim in NI who was to honeymoon with them in Scotland but unfortunately the Aunt passed. Need to find out which one :-)
Yes , you can search Scotlandspeople indexes for free once you register.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
You'll need to pay for credits to download certificates but limits apply to what you can view online-
Births - 100 years
Marriages - 75 years
Deaths - 50 years
There is a death for a Susan Armstrong(other surname Houston) , age 61 , 1957 Dundee West , Angus.
ev
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Only downside to the birth searching is you cannot specify the mother's name or father's first name to narrow down the list.
I'd likely end up spending £12 on people who aren't born to the parents I want.
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Thank you, I should have emphasised just information from Scotland as I had the census stuff already. Thanks for the pointer to the Scottish site, I wasn't aware of that one. I'll check it out.
Since you posted in The Common Room (rather than on a Scottish board) it wasn't clear exactly what you wanted (or indeed already had). The details I posted for reference give ages in census etc. and might assist in finding them in Scottish records.
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Only downside to the birth searching is you cannot specify the mother's name or father's first name to narrow down the list.
If the child of a couple died after 1973(in Scotland) then the mother's maiden surname should be on the death index , that might help identify possible births.
ev
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Parents death certificates may be signed by a son or daughter.
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From Familysearch(British Newspaper Archives , family notices)
Obituary(probably death date ?)23rd April 1952 William McGechie , Dundee Angus , spouse Margaret Armstrong.
ev
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Thank you, that matches with the Scotlandspeople death record for William. I am going to buy some credits on that site now to review the certificate.
Thank you for your help.
From Familysearch(British Newspaper Archives , family notices)
Obituary(probably death date ?)23rd April 1952 William McGeachie , Dundee Angus , spouse Margaret Armstrong.
ev
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Hello,
I have come across this thread via a google search of trying to gather some information about a Jim McGechie. He was known as Jim but may be James.
He was from the Lochee area of Dundee and died around 1965, I believe from TB in Ashludie hospital. I believe he was in his late 30's, early 40's when he died which would give him a DOB around 1925.
I wonder if he is a son of William and Margaret McGechie? With Margaret emigrating from Ireland, opens up a whole new path.
I am new to researching family trees but any guidance or help on how I would find this information out would be appreciated. I have just registered on the Scotland's people website so will try there first.
Edit... I have now found a James McGechie who died in the Monifieth area (Fits in with dying in Ashludie Hospital of TB) in 1964.
I need to buy the certificate for £12 but before I do, what can I expect, is it a copy of his death certificate and will have his mother and fathers details on?
Leo
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Hi Leo,
they usually only have the 'informant' and their relationship, Address, DoB, place of birth, DoD and cause.
Sorry
Paul
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I have a James as son of William and Margaret (Armstrong)
Birth 30 OCT 1922 • Lochee,Dundee,Scotland
Death 29 JUL 1964
I didn't record the death location. I am in contact with a relative of a cousin of his.
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Hi Leo,
they usually only have the 'informant' and their relationship, Address, DoB, place of birth, DoD and cause.
Sorry
Paul
A Scottish certificate should show names of both parents.
Isobel
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Hi,
Thanks for the information.
I have paid for the credits on Scotland's People and viewed the certificate of death.
It is indeed the son of William and Margaret Armstrong. He died on 29th July 1964 as you have said CSJJPM (The handwriting on the certificates are very hard to make out) - His death was in Ashludie Hospital, Monifieth (Angus) - He died from TB, although I can't quite make out cause of death on his certificate.
Very interesting, there is now an Irish element to the family.
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In the local newspaper death notices for Margaret (Armstrong) McGechie (1950) and William McGechie (1952), the address given was 16 Dronley Avenue.
The Dundee Courier of 10 November 1942 reported that Mr and Mrs William McGechie, 16 Dronley Avenue, Dundee, have been informed that their son, Pte. James McGechie, Black Watch, has been wounded in the Middle East. Before enlisting two years ago he was employed in Camperdown Jute Works, Lochee. Aged 20, he is a former pupil of St. John's Central School. His elder brother, Frank, has been with the Royal Engineers in the Middle East for three years.
The report was accompanied by a small headshot photo of James.
There is also another newspaper item in 1949 reporting the marriage of another son (can pm detail if required).
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Thanks very much for that. Valuable information, I appreciate that.
Is it possible to send me the picture you have of James, that would be so helpful.
This stems from James having 2 children (1 of whom is my Dad, who has since passed and we are trying to form a better picture of where the biological path is)
Sheer pot luck that I found this thread as I wouldn’t have known anything of the Irish roots dating back to Margaret.
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Leo83, I have sent you a personal message.
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James M'Gechie of 16 Dronley Avenue also had a brief mention in the Dundee Evening Telegraph in September 1940. Unfortunately, he was involved, with other chaps, in a 'breach of the peace' at the local dance hall.
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Slow news day :-)
Leo, msg me if you want access to Armstrong stuff.
James M'Gechie of 16 Dronley also had a brief mention in the Dundee Evening Telegraph in September 1940. Unfortunately, he was involved, with other chaps, in a 'breach of the peace' at the local dance hall.
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Haha yes, I can quite imagine. From what I gather he was a well respected man in Lochee around the 40/50/60's
Csjjpm, yes, i will PM you.
Glad I found this via a google search, helps join some dots.
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Hi Leo
My only other bit of info on James is a marriage (1948) to Agnes Dowling who died in 1953
Paul
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PM sent.
Many thanks to everyone for all the information posted in this thread so far.
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The news article picture about James being wounded in WW2 with the Black watch was immediately recognizable with similarities to that of my Dad.
Amazing bit of luck I stumbled on this thread and put 2+2 together.
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It is indeed the son of William and Margaret Armstrong. He died on 29th July 1964 as you have said CSJJPM (The handwriting on the certificates are very hard to make out) - His death was in Ashludie Hospital, Monifieth (Angus) - He died from TB, although I can't quite make out cause of death on his certificate.
Leo, if you'd like some help with the handwriting you can attach the tricky bit to your next post - see 'Attachments and other options' just below the box where you type your reply. Someone will know what it says! (In fact, this happens so often that RootsChat has an entire board dedicated to deciphering handwriting, but as this is a relatively small item you might as well put it on this thread.)
One other thought - 'Phthysis' is an old medical term for TB - could that be what it says?
Carol
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Hi Carol, all i can read is Cardio respiratory disease in box a. Box B and C I cant make out.
He definitely had TB though as by sheer coincidence my Gran from my other side (Before my Mum met my Dad) was a nurse at Ashludie hospital and looked after those with TB in the wards there. She always remembered Jim as he was called (James) for being the perfect gentleman. (James died before my Mum was even born to my Gran)
It then come up in discussion between my Mum, Dad and Gran from my Mums side that my Gran had actually looked after my Dads biological Dad (James) in the wards of Ashludie. Just to add, there wont be any children listed for James McGechie on any birth certificates as the 2 children he had with my Gran did not have his name in the father box due to the circumstances of the family at the time.
Thanks to the original poster, the path towards my Dads Fathers mothers side is a lot clearer (Margaret Armstrong hailing from Fermanagh) - I'm just doing a bit of digging to see what I can learn of the McGhechie's from Lochee now.
I've tracked back James's Dad William and then further back again to Francis McGhechie and then further back again to James and Catherine. I now need a rest but very interesting when you start digging around.