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Title: hugh owen roberts
Post by: lyndsey86 on Wednesday 07 February 18 18:44 GMT (UK)
I am trying to find out when my uncle died, he was born 25/6/1913, Newmarket, North Wales, I think he died around the late 1960's early 1970's, his parents names were Moses Roberts and Fanny Jones. He might have died in Rhyl.

Ann
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 07 February 18 19:21 GMT (UK)
Moderator comment: edited for content, duplicate topic removed

It should be posted under Flintshire.Having said that I'm struggling to find a death with this exact birthdate.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 07 February 18 19:24 GMT (UK)
Hugh Owen Roberts
Age   51
Birth year   1914
Abode North Wales Hospital, Denbigh
Burial date   08 Jan 1965
Place   Rhyl
County   Flintshire, Wales
Record set   Flintshire Burials

Added possibly not him there is another same name on 1939 b 1914

Cas
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 07 February 18 19:41 GMT (UK)
Hi all maybe just me, I cannot locate a birth Hugh O Roberts in time scale mmn Jones, I can find one mmn Owen?

But he was possibly born 28th March 1913 and died 1971 Holywell?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 February 18 20:30 GMT (UK)
Interesting - Moses Roberts m Fanny Jones Q2, 1913, Holywell
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 07 February 18 20:40 GMT (UK)
Marriage Newmarket, April 12 1913

Moses, 21, bac, farm labr, Father - Edwin Roberts, labr

Fanny, 24, spinster, servant, Father - Owen Jones, labr
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: lyndsey86 on Wednesday 07 February 18 22:35 GMT (UK)
I have Hugh Owen Roberts birth certificate, his parents were married in the April and Hugh was born in the June, I can verify the parents names that are mentioned are my Grand Parents, my Gran died 1967, Hugh was still alive then. I have had the 1971 death checked out, it isn't him. Not sure where to go from here.

Ann
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 07 February 18 23:02 GMT (UK)
Ann, can you give full birth details of Hugh Owen Roberts, as I cannot locate on FreeBMD or other sites?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 07 February 18 23:21 GMT (UK)
Possibility

Full birthdates weren't shown on deaths pre-1969

Hugh O Roberts aged 51 Mar 1965  Ruthin  8a 422
 
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 07 February 18 23:38 GMT (UK)
birthdate was 25.6.1913 - mmn Owen - not Jones and nothing fits in September qtr

Births June qtr 1913   
Roberts    Hugh O    Owen    Holywell    11b   333
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: lyndsey86 on Wednesday 07 February 18 23:42 GMT (UK)
Hugh Owen Roberts, 25/6/1913, High Street, Newmarket, North Wales.

Ann
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 07 February 18 23:45 GMT (UK)
Could he be the Hughie C Roberts Sept qtr 1913 Holywell?  GRO index confirms Hughie but the C could be an O - mmn is Jones
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: lyndsey86 on Thursday 08 February 18 00:04 GMT (UK)
Definitely not him. Very frustrating.

Ann
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 08 February 18 00:07 GMT (UK)
Definitely not him. Very frustrating.

Ann

So could you give us full details of the birth certificate you have?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 08 February 18 00:11 GMT (UK)
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my Gran died 1967, Hugh was still alive then

How do you know?  Did he report her death?

Did he marry?  If so - when and to whom?
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 08 February 18 10:57 GMT (UK)
The possible death for Hugh Owen Roberts, 28 March 1913, Dec 1971 Holywell 8A 2492

The dob is dependent on who the informant was.

Do you have the actual death cert, what doesn't match?
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 08 February 18 14:17 GMT (UK)
The possible death for Hugh Owen Roberts, 28 March 1913, Dec 1971 Holywell 8A 2492

The dob is dependent on who the informant was.

Do you have the actual death cert, what doesn't match?

The problem is that Ann has the birth certificate but not his death, the problem with this one is that I believe he is the son of Hugh Thomas Roberts who married Dorothy Owen Sept qtr 1902 Bangor 11b 716?

Wondering if he was in WW2 and died abroad?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 February 18 14:25 GMT (UK)
Could he be the Hughie C Roberts Sept qtr 1913 Holywell?  GRO index confirms Hughie but the C could be an O - mmn is Jones

It looks very much like an O on the image.

Gadget
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 08 February 18 14:28 GMT (UK)
Definitely not him. Very frustrating.

Ann

But we then got this reply to that one?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 February 18 15:39 GMT (UK)
Definitely not him. Very frustrating.

Ann

But we then got this reply to that one?
Keyboard86

But is seems to fit the criteria and not sure why OP hasn't answered the question that you asked twice about full details of birth cert.

Sept Q would be appropriate for a late June birth.

Gadget
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 February 18 15:49 GMT (UK)
There's a Hugh Roberts, d. 23 April, 1968. Buried Maeshyfryd Cemetery, Rhyl.  Million Graves cemetery index. No age given.

I can't link it up to a death reg at the moment.

Gadget

Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 February 18 15:52 GMT (UK)
Just looked at the link and he was 82 so too old.

https://billiongraves.com/grave/Hugh-Roberts/3577331
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: lyndsey86 on Thursday 08 February 18 20:37 GMT (UK)
The information that is on the birth certificate, Hughie Owen Roberts, 25/6/1913, High Street Newmarket. There is a number in the 1st column no67. Parents Moses Roberts and Fanny Jones. The birth wasn't registered until 2/8/1913.

I don't have my Grans death certificate, I do have the grave stone which verifies when she died.

Ann
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 February 18 20:42 GMT (UK)
The information that is on the birth certificate, Hughie Owen Roberts, 25/6/1913, High Street Newmarket. There is a number in the 1st column no67. Parents Moses Roberts and Fanny Jones. The birth wasn't registered until 2/8/1913.


So that is the same that was found

Could he be the Hughie C Roberts Sept qtr 1913 Holywell?  GRO index confirms Hughie but the C could be an O - mmn is Jones

It looks very much like an O on the image.

Gadget

Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 08 February 18 20:43 GMT (UK)
 :) OK so even though the heading states Hugh Owen Roberts we possibly should be looking for a Hughie Owen Roberts?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: lyndsey86 on Thursday 08 February 18 20:47 GMT (UK)
I have looked at the certificate closer. Just heard from a relative that Hughie was the witness at my Grans death, 1967.

Ann
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 08 February 18 21:57 GMT (UK)
so could he be buried in the same cemetery? or even in the same plot.

You would need to ask the cemetery for that information.

Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 08 February 18 22:01 GMT (UK)
Could you ask your relative who has the death cert what name he gave as the informant (Hugh Owen, Hughie Owen, H O) and his address at that time.
Title: Re: hugh owen roberts
Post by: lyndsey86 on Thursday 08 February 18 22:27 GMT (UK)
No he isn't, my gran and her daughter are buried in the same plot.

Ann