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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: charding on Friday 09 February 18 23:00 GMT (UK)
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Looking for the family of John Gallagher in this census. Son, William, (parents John Gallagher and Eliza O'Hara) was baptized 18 Nov 1849 in Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland (born 4 Nov 1849 in Kelso). I have the baptism from scotslandpeople.com.
The family is in Hartlepool, England by 1852 but I am having trouble locating them anywhere in 1851.
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I was at the library this morning so had a quick look on Ancestry for you.
I had difficulty in locating them using Censuses even using name variations, but there is a tree which looks as if it could be the same family; the same dates are given for William. You would need to verify this, but it seems that the surname may have been written as Golacher.
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I can't see them in 1851 either -- but if it's the correct family - in 1861 they are shown as Golloher. You have probably seen this one -- parents and eldest son, John all born in Ireland, William in Scotland and all the younger children born in Hartlepool.
I have tried using first names only in 1851 - with approx birth year and parents' names -- this was Ancestry - but no joy. Maybe another site will have transcribed them more accurately. Its possible I suppose that they may have been 'on the move' at the time of 1851 census. Alternatively -- if they were lodging somewhere and shown as lodgers - then showing parents names won't work as a search tool.
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I do have them from the 1861 census and forward. The question then becomes - what rout would they have traveled from Kelso, Scotland to get to Hartlepool, England? I can't locate them anywhere in 1851 and I'm trying to find more specific Ireland origins for this family. It's so frustrating to have these gaps.
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Both Kelso and Hartlepool are on the eastern side of UK -- maybe the railway had been built -- OR they might have sailed. Wasn't John the father something to do with the docks possibly?
Do you know their religion? I ask this because of the Irish connection. There are lots of RC registers available on subscription sites. May just find the eldest child's baptism.
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Been looking for that one, too. I haven't found it yet but I just have a feeling that that baptism for the oldest child took place in Ireland. Just no luck so far finding anything.
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The eldest child was born Ireland, according to 1861 census. I have been looking for both his baptism and the marriage of his parents in Ireland, but no luck so far.
I am wondering if maybe John the father was in the Army or Navy -- looked at Army births --- nothing obvious. Maybe someone else can find something for the 3 Irish born family members - John and Eliza(beth) the parents and John junior.
Frustrating isn't it -- I hate not being able to find someone.
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I've been looking for six years to no avail.
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Not sure this helps but I just received the birth certificate for Elizabeth Gallagher - March 1852 in Hartlepool, Durham, England. They were living on Cleveland Street. So, I'm guessing she would have barely been pregnant at the time of the 1851 census wherever the family was located. Any 1851 census should only show John (head), Elizabeth (wife), John (son), William (son).
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I have just looked at the people living on Cleveland St, Hartlepool in 1851 -- of all the families living on that street then -- yours isn't there I'm afraid (at least I couldn't see them).
Funnily enough there was a lodger living on that street named 'John Gaulacher' -- but age looked like 36 -- a Dock Labourer, unmarried, born Ireland. Age is incorrect though (although you can never rely on that being correct).
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How did you search Cleveland Street? I couldn't find that.
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You can search by address on both Find My Past and The Genealogist. I am a nerd and have access to both sites as well as Ancestry!
I looked on The Genealogist for Cleveland Street, in the county of Durham. You can do the same on Find My Past, although it is a more complicated search screen. (In my opinion)
On Find My Past you will need to go to the A-Z and input 1851 census as your search term -- then when you select that option from the results, you get the facility on this search screen to insert an address. The search screen if you simply choose 'census' from the Search screen at the top of the home page doesn't give you the address option. Goodness knows why the 2 available census search screens differ on that site.
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I might have missed it, but have you tried a search just using William`s name and year of birth,plus Eliza. There could be a possibility that the John Gaulacher in Cleveland Street is the right one and he had gone there looking for work, while the rest of the family were living elsewhere.
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I have had a look on Scotlands People 1851 Census for your family but found nothing. I used all the search possibilities and the only one with that surname in the Borders is a James Galagher aged 25 living in Kelso.
Very frustrating for you but it happens frequently that people back then were missed on the census night (deliberately or otherwise).
Just a bit of advice if you don't mind. For Scottish records please use Scotlands People site as these are the original records and not transcriptions like you get on Ancestry, Find My Past and so on.
Dorrie
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BillyF --- I had wondered about that also (John going to find work) --and did a search on Scotlands People - for a William with mother Eliz.
Found one, but she seemed to be married to a Samuel Gallagher (or variant!).
It did seem a coincidence about that John being on the same street in Hartlepool - and of course the person giving the information would have been the Head of House, so maybe didn't know personal details - such as age and whether he was married or not.