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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: jettejjane on Sunday 11 February 18 11:05 GMT (UK)
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Trying to identify pictures in my grandparents family Album, an ongoing task as none are marked just the odd date on the back. As my family hardly strayed out of Arundel I am assuming the pictures are in and around the town. The majority of pictures are of grandparents family. Plus many of Granddad in uniform before and during WW1. Would date the album from late 1800's to mid 1940's.
For many years at a quick glance I assumed this one was Arundel Bridge until yesterday I looked closer. If it was you should see the Castle and post Office where the trees are at the back, also there is a stone entrance and iron gate on left on bridge which I have not seen in any pictures. The white buildings on the right are what led me to assume Arundel. However on so many levels this cannot be Arundel. My thoughts went to Fittleworth/Stopham/ Pulborough areas. Having spent hours pouring over pictures of Sussex bridges on google I am going bridge blind!
It could be completely unrelated to Sussex. Hopefully one of you may recognize it. I hope you enjoy the challenge and look forward to hearing from you.
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This next picture was next to the bridge pic in album, may or may not be relevant. Looks like one of the villages surrounding Arundel, possibly Amberley/Littlehampton area?
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Interesting! My first thoughts on the bridge was that it was over the railway, but not sure ... I've asked my parents to have a look - Dad knows that area VERY well and might just recognise it if it is one of the villages round Arundel.
Liz
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Good morning,
Is that a large house entrance on left or a church yard, I can't decide but could help with location.
2nd photo has a sign but can't read it, blow up attached.
John915
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Back again,
The bungalow in 2nd pic looks almost new and appears to have crittall windows.
I had another look and also thought railway but canal also came to mind. In Sussex that would narrow it down quite a bit.
John915
Added; Happy hunting :o :o :o :o :o http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ljp/
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I've played around with the sign and got it a bit clearer but I still can't read it.
The first photo looks familiar and I'm sure I've seen it somewhere in the Arundel/Pulborough area - will do a trawl through Google's Maps & Streetview.
I also wondered about a railway, the white painted fencing on the left looks very much like what you'd find associated with them.
Is there any date on the back of the photo Jane?
I'm wondering if it is a railway if it's one of the small cross country lines closed by Beeching.
I also noticed that beyond the bridge there appears to be a hedge line going up to the right in front of the trees - they might not be there anymore of course.
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Forgot to attach the photo
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I also thought they gate looked a bit like a Church / graveyard. I've been 'street viewing' my way along the Sussex railways around Arundel / Pulborough etc and haven't seen it yet. Certainly feels familiar though - one place that came to mind was West Grinstead ... but haven't found a picture yet.
Liz
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Thanks everyone. Some great thoughts. I like the railway theory and I did think may be bridge over canal. The entrance on left indeed looks if it could lead to a church or large house but rather close to river but I am assuming bridge is over a river which not necessarily true.
There is no date on photo.
I think the house may be unconnected , but maybe if we find location of bridge can look at houses in area. I feel both pics must have a significance my grandparents were not the types to keep random photos, all have a connection to my family.
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I suspect that it's a railway bridge, if you look to the left of the bridge there's a five branch telegraph pole and there appears to be a swathe of wires going from it across to the right - I've had a play about with the photo and it seems that there are a lot there but fuzzy due to the photo not being in sharp focus. Telegraph wires frequently followed railway lines and with that number it must have been a connection between sizeable towns.
Can you tell from the photo album if there's any sequence in the dating of the photos before and after the bridge on, that might give a bit of a clue?
I've also noted that beyond the bridge there's a substantial wall dropping down to the right, probably a retaining wall. Could that indicate a station down to the right.
I've followed all of the defunct railway lines from the Arun valley line across to Midhurst, Shoreham to Christ's Hospital south of Horsham and Christ's Hospital westwards as far as is traceable and I can't find a bridge like this one. I also can't find one on the main lines up through the Arun Valley.
I also looked at the Arun and Wey canal and couldn't find anything there either.
I guess it's possible that the bridge and/or houses have been demolished/replaced.
Intriguing especially as it looks familiar but I can't place it! :-\
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I also think this bridge is over a railway - pretty sure the sign to right shows a steam train to warn of the railway.
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Can you tell from the photo album if there's any sequence in the dating of the photos before and after the bridge on, that might give a bit of a clue?
Thank you for looking, much appreciated :) Sadly the photos in the album are all over the place, there is one of my christening in 1952 and on next page my great grandparents in late 1890's ??? Thank god I am more organized than my grandparents ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I also think this bridge is over a railway - pretty sure the sign to right shows a steam train to warn of the railway.
Thank you. Think I should widen my search a bit as there is nothing to say its Sussex just because my family didn't venture far out of the county. Although I feel it is somewhere in Sussex.
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Good evening,
The road sign to left of bridge is a warning sign, triangle in circle point up, 1930s style. It says "slow major road ahead" . In the 50s a newer range of signs with inverted triangles came into force.
There is a rd going down by wall but also a rd going up beyond hedge and the sign tells us it goes left as well.
The sign to the right is a railway information sign probably, telling people to beware of trains and not to trespass on the lines. The only sign with a steam train is the one for a crossing with no gates.
Telegraph wires followed the railways because they mainly connected stations and signal boxes. Phones in houses were not so common in those days but some of the wires would be for that purpose.
My guess is West Sussex but could be anywhere.
John915
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John that is fantastic thank you so much. Still wondering what the connection is with my grandparents. These were the only pics without family members in them. Must mean something and yes I think West Sussex just a gut feeling.
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The sun is high for the shadows of the chimneys to be falling on the low wall on left ... so we are looking roughly east.
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The sun is high for the shadows of the chimneys to be falling on the low wall on left ... so we are looking roughly east.
That's a good clue, means the railway and the road beyond the bridge run north-south.
The bridge doesn't look too wide say for a double line railway so I suspect it was a single track railway branch line. If that is the case then it's probably long gone since Beeching's days.
When I followed the abandoned lines on Google Maps aerial view I was looking for a bridge but I've realised that as it is a single width road across the bridge it might well have been demolished after the railway closed to allow a double width road approach to the 'T' junction ahead. I'll look again on that basis looking for the houses which hopefully have survived.
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Good morning,
The sun is high for the shadows of the chimneys to be falling on the low wall on left ... so we are looking roughly east.
The shadows are quite long to reach right across the rd like that. So I would say either mid morning or mid afternoon. That could give us a north westerly or south easterly direction.
Whilst not always the case, many rail bridges were left when going over the tracks. Rail bridges over rds were taken down sometimes to allow larger vehicles through.
Poor old Dr Beeching gets the blame all the time but something like 60% of closed branch lines took place before his closures. Some were later than that as well.
John915
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Poor old Dr Beeching gets the blame all the time but something like 60% of closed branch lines took place before his closures. Some were later than that as well.
John915
You're right, he always gets the flack but really many branch lines were running at a massive loss.
I've sent for two books on lost railways in Sussex from the library, these might give a clue if there is a station just down off to the right beyond the bridge, worth a try.
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I've sent for two books on lost railways in Sussex from the library, these might give a clue if there is a station just down off to the right beyond the bridge, worth a try.
Thank you artifis for your interest in this one and for going the extra mile for me with the books ;)
Thank you also to everyone else for your replies and help. I feel confident we will crack this one eventually, all input gratefully received :D
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It's interesting that some are now looking at restoring some of the branch lines which were removed by the good doctor.
Malky
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I've been investigating the Steyning line, Partridge Green looks a possibility but nothing definite as yet. I see Liz wondered about West Grinstead so we're in the same area :) I'll keep looking
Jan
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I feel like I've been on a magical mystery tour of defunct railway lines in Sussex, I've followed every one I can find also all the existing lines but I can't find anything definite.
I wish the person who took the photo had taken a few more in the location to give a bigger picture.
I wonder why a seemingly 'uninteresting' view meant sufficient to someone to take the photo, make me wonder if we are missing something.
If the view was in an area which has now been built up then that would explain why it's so elusive.
Maybe the books I've reserved at the library will show some light on things, might also show a line that's no longer visible on aerial photos.
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The location is quite specific, bridge over seemingly a north-south railway line, east-west road, south to the right, ‘T’ junction or right hand bend ahead beyond the bridge, road seems to climb up to the right from the junction, retaining wall sloping down to the right beyond the bridge. These are all specific pointers that surely some would have remained?
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I've only just come across this, but I'm wondering whether it really is a railway bridge, and whether it is even in Sussex. This is why:
Don't most bridges over railways have a more or less level deck rather than such a pronounced arch? This looks to me more like a somewhat older river bridge. The other things that might suggest a railway (white fencing, notice) are by no means exclusive to railways. And without knowing the date, it's impossible to say whether the number of telegraph wires relates to an earlier railway connection, or to general usage at a later date, with the wires running alongside the main road on the other side of the bridge.
As for location (incidentally, I agree with the thoughts on compass alignment), I'm not Sussex born or bred, but I did once live in the Weald area for about 6-7 years, and the general style of the buildings and walls don't really ring a bell. The use of stone rather than brick, and small/low whitewashed cottages to me are far more reminiscent of other parts of the country.
Lastly, the gates on the left, and associated wall and fence, look to me like the entrance to a churchyard (or chapel etc).
I'm afraid I don't have any definite suggestions as to location, but I'll think a bit more...
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I've blown up the photo and played around with it a bit - sharpness, contrast & brightness - and there is a faint indication that there is a flat top to the bridge with a section of level parapet wall.
I also wondered about the seemingly stone walling, all of the bridges I found in West Sussex are brick.
The idea about a cemetery on the left also seems a good possibility, was that the reason for the photo?
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Thanks again guys for your continuing searches. I just wish I had more to give you.
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I wonder why a seemingly 'uninteresting' view meant sufficient to someone to take the photo, make me wonder if we are missing something.
That was my first thought and is why I wonder if perhaps it isn't somewhere local to where they lived. I think that are more likely to take that sort of photo when you are on holiday, than when you are just out for a stroll.
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I can see a gate possibly to a church, then after that the wall with iron railings on top, but there appears to be a stone structure in front of the wall, fronted by a mown patch of grass, with a rail alongside the road, possibly a memorial of some sort.
Mike
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I wonder why a seemingly 'uninteresting' view meant sufficient to someone to take the photo, make me wonder if we are missing something.
That was my first thought and is why I wonder if perhaps it isn't somewhere local to where they lived. I think that are more likely to take that sort of photo when you are on holiday, than when you are just out for a stroll.
I agree. My grandparents from what I remember didn't go on day trips or holidays, not their thing. But I am taking late 50's. However, I do remember my grandmother visiting one of her sisters in Ash. I then had a Eureka moment. I posted a pic for location identification of grandparents at seaside probably in 40's. It was identified as Herne Bay . It has just ocurred to me grandad's uncle retired to Herne Bay, although he was black sheep of family my grandfather kept in touch with one of his cousins. Food for thought. Although I don't know why I still feel it is Sussex.
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Hi,
I think the sign (Reply#3) is a weight restriction sign that reads "Maximum Load", with the actual load restriction illegible. The first three letters on the second line read (to my eyes) L O A. Perhaps someone with more acute eyesight can confirm, or otherwise.
Istrice
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Good evening,
Hi,
I think the sign (Reply#3) is a weight restriction sign that reads "Maximum Load", with the actual load restriction illegible. The first three letters on the second line read (to my eyes) L O A. Perhaps someone with more acute eyesight can confirm, or otherwise.Istrice
A weight restriction sign at that time would look the same, design wise, as the one left of bridge. The weight on it would read as "3t" "5t" etc. It referred to veh weight empty. Unlike modern signs which are the veh MAM (maximum allowable mass) or fully laden weight. It would also face the oncoming traffic rather than across the rd.
John915
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John,
I would agree if the sign related to a public road, and had been installed by the respective highway authority for the area. However, I can't see anything in the photograph to suggest that this sign actually relates to a road. It is more probable that it is located adjacent to a public road and associated with a private access taken off this road, or to an access supported by a retaining wall, a private bridge, or somesuch that requires a weight restriction to prevent damage. It may have been erected by some as yet unidentified organisation or estate. At the moment it's unfortunately still all guesswork.
Highway authorities are unlikely to erect signs, or permit a telegraph poles(?) or other structures to be put up in positions that would obscure warnings, but stranger things have been known to happen.
Regards
Istrice
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John,
I would agree if the sign related to a public road, and had been installed by the respective highway authority for the area. However, I can't see anything in the photograph to suggest that this sign actually relates to a road. It is more probable that it is located adjacent to a public road and associated with a private access taken off this road, or to an access supported by a retaining wall, a private bridge, or somesuch that requires a weight restriction to prevent damage. It may have been erected by some as yet unidentified organisation or estate. At the moment it's unfortunately still all guesswork.
Highway authorities are unlikely to erect signs, or permit a telegraph poles(?) or other structures to be put up in positions that would obscure warnings, but stranger things have been known to happen.
Regards
Istrice
More food for thought, thanks Istrice. I like the private road/bridge to an estate theory. I was wondering if the elaborate chimney pots on the white buildings could help for identification purposes.
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Re the first photo. Is that a name above the main door? (Probably too small to make out?)
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Re the first photo. Is that a name above the main door? (Probably too small to make out?)
I thought that too. Name or number possibly. However the photo is not very good quality and I am unable to make anything of it, tried everything.
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In view of John915's comment about road signs:
It would also face the oncoming traffic rather than across the rd.
with the sign on the right of the bridge, are we in fact seeing its reverse side? If so, what might a sign of that size and shape be, and could it give any clues to the location?
I believe the striped pole probably indicates it's an official traffic sign, though I could be wrong.
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Ref the first photograph. Maybe clutching at straws here - and working on the basis there is a railway line - can anyone see the gap in the fencing in front of that sign on the right? Does the gap lead down to perhaps a railway station? If that is the case then there seem to be two possible chimneys that could be, e.g. a station waiting room.
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Ref the first photograph. Maybe clutching at straws here - and working on the basis there is a railway line - can anyone see the gap in the fencing in front of that sign on the right? Does the gap lead down to perhaps a railway station? If that is the case then there seem to be two possible chimneys that could be, e.g. a station waiting room.
Yes, I see what you mean. It could well lead to a walkway that goes under the bridge to access a station. Cant make out any chimneys. Thinking of it being a station perhaps we are looking at the back and entrance is other side of bridge or maybe down the lane beside the houses? One other thing I noticed was the striped pole on other side of that wall with no notice on it. Also between that and the other sign could the fuzzy blur be a person standing on platform waiting for a train. Think I am maybe imagining things now ::)
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If this was a railway it’s the sort of place you might find a village station, but a station would usually have a sign on the roadside with its name, and quite likely a board with timetables. The lack of such signage was one of the reasons (besides the shape of the bridge) why I thought it might be a river.
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If this was a railway it’s the sort of place you might find a village station, but a station would usually have a sign on the roadside with its name, and quite likely a board with timetables. The lack of such signage was one of the reasons (besides the shape of the bridge) why I thought it might be a river.
Before I posted I too thought river bridge. Now I don't know what to think ??? And I agree with lack of signage . The entrance on left to me doesn't say Station, church or large house yes. To say this is driving me nuts is an understatement ;D
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Could these be photos that were sent by a relative rather than a photo they took themselves while out. More of a "look at my new house" kind of thing? the house does look very new - did any relatives move to a new house?
wrt the sign outside the house, are we looking at it from a weird angle or be bent and facing towards us, rather than a flat sign? So could it be a normal direction sign but we are only seeing part of the place names.....
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Dillybert. My grandfather was not the sort of man that family would send pictures too :P He fell out with most of his relatives. And most of his brothers and sisters lived within 4 miles of him anyway, and tolerated him, lol. He was what people would call a character (for character read miserable old s"".) No greys in his world only black and white. But I loved him to bits. The only one he ever mentioned out of many cousin's was Leonard who lived in Kent.
Are you referring to the second pic? I fear this may be a completely different search and I have maybe clouded the issue posting it.
It is an interesting search and I will keep at it. Sadly the last of dad's brothers died a year ago, he was my research buddy and his recall was fantastic, although sadly his sight failed in the end. He had a wealth of information and family ancedotes. God Bless you Uncle Archie x x x
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I may have missed it if already mentioned but the road sign on the left of the road is "major road ahead" like this. http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-slow-major-road-ahead-road-sign-1-48204703.html
That means I think that on the far side of the bridge is a road parallel to the river or whatever it is.
No idea about the sign further to the right, as someone said the striped pole suggests an official sign but it doesn't look like one and isn't in a likely position.
Quite possible this won't be traced.
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Quite possible this won't be traced.
Yes I fear defeat here. But I won't give up ever, getting help from a research friend who is also hooked on this search.
Thanks again to everyone for your interest.
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The pic ---- reminds me of a trip to Minehead on a double decker that stopped in DEAL at the railway station. I always like to confuse as you know.. so sorry to come in late in the day --
Basically what I am saying is it could very well be the bridge over a railway leading to the station.
bye :)
xin
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Or it could be anywhere xin, lol x
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Yes
The telegraph pole gave me a feeling of a train station.. and then I had one of those De...ja.. veau moments.. and saw The Bridge in Deal.. ha ha
its nothing like it.
Hope you find out where it is.. sooner rather than later.
xin
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Have had a 're-think. If the sign on left is a major road ahead then the front of station would be other side of bridge. Maybe it is not a full blown station just a halt where train only stops once or twice a day. Perhaps the way to go is identifying the stones entrance and look for churches/churchyards close to railway lines. The style of stonework looks local. If the bridge has been redeveloped I would assume the entrance would remain. Several villages/hamlets in Arundel area spring to mind.
My search continues.
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Good morning,
You are probably correct, just a halt. A single platform with a cottage/ticket office. Many of them dotted around Sussex at one time.
In 67 years I have never seen telegraph lines following a river or canal in Sussex. Or anywhere else for that matter.
The "Major" rd may still be only a narrow lane but is deemed the more important of the two rds. Very few bridges over railways are altered in anyway unless on major "A" rds. I can think of a couple of places on the "A31" where the bridges were widened to accommodate the rd as it got upgraded. A second bridge or culvert being put in beside it when it became a dual carriageway, although they were only over streams not railway which runs parallel to the rd in places.
John915
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Thank you John. I would agree with the telegraph poles comment. Going by style of sign would date 30-40's. I know of a few bridges around my area that are as small as this making passing difficult but luckily they are in villages where traffic is not a great problem.
Have just spent a while (on Google) travelling the railway line from Arundel to just past Adversane, nothing to see. Was looking for churches. One St Leonard' in North Stoke outside Arundel sparked my interest, in view of the entrance stone work in front of bridge. This fits with the area being on edge of Arundel Park and similar walls. But was not to be.
This one is driving me mad. The picture , I feel, must mean something family related to have been placed in the album. Maybe I should focus on it belonging to my Nana Maggie not granddad.
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Are you so sure the gates lead to a Church? It is possible, of course, but I would have expected to see some kind of notice board to indicate the Church and/or Services.
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And just to throw "another spanner" in the works. Could the gates lead to the house in the second photo??? Is that the link between the two photos?
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Are you so sure the gates lead to a Church? It is possible, of course, but I would have expected to see some kind of notice board to indicate the Church and/or Services.
I agree, even back in the 1930s-40s churches generally had signboards up. I suspect it's the entrance to a house with the house name on one or both of the gate pillars, there does seem to be such, probably the 'posh' house of the time.
The roads sign is interesting, that opens up a number of extra things to look for.
I have noted where it's now a defunct railway line that bridges over cuttings have been removed and the cutting filled in to give a level road approach to another road.
The fact that it looks like the bridge parapet is stonework and the stonework retaining wall beyond the bridge to the rights doesn't seem to fit in with the Sussex area, all the bridges I've found have brick parapets and retaining walls are in brick - building stone not available locally but excellent clay for making bricks locally to the railway works. However most river/canal bridges were in stone!
Good thought Rhododendron, that might explain the 'importance' of the bridge photo.
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Are you so sure the gates lead to a Church? It is possible, of course, but I would have expected to see some kind of notice board to indicate the Church and/or Services.
I am not sure of anything. I know nothing about this photo it is all pure speculation and guesswork. Nothing can be ruled out.
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I think you should all concentrate on Pulborough, if only to eliminate it. The river and the railway are both there.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BCA7CD/old-stone-bridge-over-river-arun-pulborough-west-sussex-england-united-BCA7CD.jpg.
London Road and A29. The bridge is extant but the buildings have changed a lot, if correct.
See also the sattelite image.
I never thought the bridge was over a railway, too old.
Hope this helps.
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Back again,
Are you so sure the gates lead to a Church? It is possible, of course, but I would have expected to see some kind of notice board to indicate the Church and/or Services.
I have noted where it's now a defunct railway line that bridges over cuttings have been removed and the cutting filled in to give a level road approach to another road.
The fact that it looks like the bridge parapet is stonework and the stonework retaining wall beyond the bridge to the rights doesn't seem to fit in with the Sussex area, all the bridges I've found have brick parapets and retaining walls are in brick - building stone not available locally but excellent clay for making bricks locally to the railway works. However most river/canal bridges were in stone!
On the contrary, there is plenty of building stone available in Sussex and a great many stone bridges in West Sussex. Particularly on small rural rds and also on the A272, one being a notable bottleneck with traffic lights.
I know of no bridges in Sussex being removed and cuttings filled in. Rather the old trackways have been turned into rights of way (footpaths). But, I may not know every bridge but having travelled tomany villages deliveri g to shops I know a great many just not this one as yet.
John915
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Looking at Google Streetview I don't think Pullborough fits.
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I think you should all concentrate on Pulborough, if only to eliminate it. The river and the railway are both there.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BCA7CD/old-stone-bridge-over-river-arun-pulborough-west-sussex-england-united-BCA7CD.jpg.
London Road and A29. The bridge is extant but the buildings have changed a lot, if correct.
See also the sattelite image.
I never thought the bridge was over a railway, too old.
Hope this helps.
Regorian of course it helps, as do all the replies :) They all give me something to think about.
I thought Pulborough, Stopham or Fittleworth bridges but none looked right. My original thought was bridge over river, now I don't know what to think, lol. Am now thinking it didn't look high enough to be over railway line. I used to be indecisive but now I'm not sure :P
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Back to throw squibs. That bridge is still there at PULBOROUGH. Not wide enough for modern traffic so has been by-passed by a modern bridge, London Road/A29. Here's a photograph of them both today.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-the-two-ancient-bridges-which-cross-the-river-arun-at-pulborough-in-82280688.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=0F0B26DF-D0F6-4006-B631-4BE6CB300F43&p=22753&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3driver%2520arun%2520pulborough%26qt_raw%3driver%2520arun%2520pulborough%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d0%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d0%26ispremium%3d1.
Sorry about the Link, hopefully it will work
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Back to throw squibs. That bridge is still there at PULBOROUGH. Not wide enough for modern traffic so has been by-passed by a modern bridge, London Road/A29. Here's a photograph of them
Sorry about the Link, hopefully it will work
Yes the link worked. Food for thought isn't it? Thank you :)
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As far as I can see from maps and street view, the surroundings don't really seem to match. There aren't any cottages next to the bridge in Pulborough (I've also checked old maps), and there isn't a junction with a major road by it either.
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As far as I can see from maps and street view, the surroundings don't really seem to match. There aren't any cottages next to the bridge in Pulborough (I've also checked old maps), and there isn't a junction with a major road by it either.
Thank you. Back to the drawing board then.
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As far as I can see from maps and street view, the surroundings don't really seem to match. There aren't any cottages next to the bridge in Pulborough (I've also checked old maps), and there isn't a junction with a major road by it either.
Yes, I agree, Arthuk, it doesn't fit.
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Just a few thoughts.
Everyone seems fixated with the bridge being in Sussex with no definite proof, why not post the photo in the common room and open it up to a wider audience.
Is the house typical of a particular area? There is a house that is a similar type of architecture in Denbighshire, Wales.
Bee :)
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Possibly a better place would be the Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition board, where there are lots of queries about mystery places in photos.
To save duplicating efforts, it would be best either to have a single-post thread there to direct people to this one (anyone can do this), or to have the whole thread moved across, which only a moderator can do.
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The latter might be better, so that people can see what has already been discussed, although for reasons she has already said, Jane does seen fairly convinced it is probably Sussex. However, I agree, the people on the Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition board are brilliant at finding unknown places.
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Thanks all. I agree I was fixated on Sussex but did say could be anywhere. Only because of fact that grandparents didn't venture far out of Sussex and I thought it looked familiar. The only other place I can thinkb could possibly be kent, he did visit once and had cousin there. Lived in Herne Bay.
If a moderator would like to move it that is fine by me. I wouldn't know how to do this.
Thanks for all your help.
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The latter might be better, so that people can see what has already been discussed, although for reasons she has already said, Jane does seen fairly convinced it is probably Sussex. However, I agree, the people on the Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition board are brilliant at finding unknown places.
Yes I did think Sussex but appreciated it could be anywhere and I certainly would not rule out any other location. Perhaps posting on Sussex board was mistake.
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I don't suppose you can make out what is on that poster outside the newer bungalow by any chance? e.g. the picture on it or any words?
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I don't suppose you can make out what is on that poster outside the newer bungalow by any chance? e.g. the picture on it or any words?
Not sure the bungalow is in same location to bridge just on same page in album. It's a very bad picture tried higher dpi but definition just not there. Did think words and last word was children.
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Oh. Worth a try! Thanks.
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I don't suppose you can make out what is on that poster outside the newer bungalow by any chance? e.g. the picture on it or any words?
Not sure the bungalow is in same location to bridge just on same page in album. It's a very bad picture tried higher dpi but definition just not there. Did think words and last word was children.
Hi Jane, could you post the higher resolution scan anyway, someone else may be able to pick out the words or improve the image further.
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Hi Jane, could you post the higher resolution scan anyway, someone else may be able to pick out the words or improve the image further.
Sure Jools have to be tomorrow. But will do.
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JJ sent me a high resolution scan of the bungalow and by clipping out the sign I managed to sharpen it up at 500% in the photo editor facility in my vector graphics programme, sufficient to make out most of the lower word and by trying the nearest in Google found it to be Dalchonzie in Crieff, Scotland. Using Google maps and Streetview I found the bridge, over the River Earn near Comrie - it's on the road off the A85 that leads to Aberuchill as well as Dalchonzie.
The houses on the right are still the same, there's a big house behind the wall on the left as surmised in posts and turning through 1800 there's the bungalow still with a seat as in JJ's photo.
Nice to put this to bed at last.
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Well done Artifis !
Here it is on Google Streetview https://goo.gl/NJTWqG
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Thank you so much Artifis, words don't seem enough for the time you have spent on this search and I am over the moon that you have located both the bungalow and the bridge. Your absolutely amazing detective work is much appreciated :) You are a star ;D
Thank you everyone else for your interest and comments :)
I now have the unenviable task of trying to identify a lady and small child who appear on another photo of this bungalow with grandparents.
Jane
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It's the Ross bridge, I think. More photos here http://rossbridge.org.uk/
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Excellent find, artifis.
(I don't think I've spotted you on this board before - care to have a look at some of our other mysteries?)
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Well done Artifis, brilliant find :D
Now do you fancy a go at Cazza's No 12 house?
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Now this is completed what do I do to show its been solved?
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"my family hardly strayed out of Arundel"
Hmmmmm!!!
Malky
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"my family hardly strayed out of Arundel"
Hmmmmm!!!
Malky
I meant to live. Didn't mean holidays. Don't be picky. I only said I thought it was Arundel.
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No wonder we couldn't find it - wrong end of the country. ;D Well done Artifis, that was a brilliant find.
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Well done Artifis! Your photo editing skills and detective work finding the location have paid off. It just goes to show how a high res scan of major clues can reap results.
Glad this one has now been solved for you Jane.
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"my family hardly strayed out of Arundel"
Hmmmmm!!!
Malky
I meant to live. Didn't mean holidays. Don't be picky. I only said I thought it was Arundel.
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Just look at the smile on your dad's face. ;D ;D ;D
Malky
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By the way, you can see the bridge (Bridge of Ross, Comrie) on Google Earth. Not many changes to it.
I would post a "screen shot" but will probably upset the copyright folks, so I winna bother.
Malky.
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Just look at the smile on your dad's face. ;D ;D ;D
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Lol ;D yes he was always smiling and so photogenic. Bet he knew the location of bridge should have gone to a seance and asked him ;D
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No wonder we couldn't find it - wrong end of the country. ;D Well done Artifis, that was a brilliant find.
I did say I assumed it was Sussex but it could be anywhere , obviously I posted on the wrong board. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing.
Sorry for wasting everyone's time.
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Don't feel bad. I enjoyed looking and glad it is solved. It was fun.
It's amazing seeing it on google.
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Don't feel bad. I enjoyed looking and glad it is solved. It was fun.
It's amazing seeing it on google.
Thank you. Yes it was fun and a happy ending which is all that matters. So it didn't matter I posted on wrong board and said I "assumed" it was Sussex. I agree seeing on Google was indeed amazing, especially when and I rotated view of bridge and saw bungalow . What a result and all down to artifis.
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Thanks for your congrats though I feel a fraud as if I'd remembered to crop the bungalow photo when JJ first posted it we'd have got there sooner but having said that I'd have missed out on the pleasure of 'exploring' the lost railways, current railways and defunct canals of Sussex via Google maps and Streetview. I've attached the road sign so you can see how well the programme enhanced it.
I had got really into this as I felt certain that I'd seen the road and bridge before. Bizarrely I might well have done, on my two holidays in Scotland in the mid to late 1960s from the south coast I certainly drove along the nearby A85 main road to falls in the area and on the first trip youth hostelling with two friends we might well have 'diverted' through Dalchonzie and Aberuchill. Small world.
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Now this is completed what do I do to show its been solved?
Click on Moderator Sarah above and send her a message asking for it to be marked as completed
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Now this is completed what do I do to show its been solved?
Click on Moderator Sarah above and send her a message asking for it to be marked as completed
Dawnsh explains how to show a post as completed here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=710853.msg5543264#msg5543264
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Now this is completed what do I do to show its been solved?
Click on Moderator Sarah above and send her a message asking for it to be marked as completed
Dawnsh explains how to show a post as completed here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=710853.msg5543264#msg5543264
Well you learn something every day. I've never noticed there was a topic completed button ;D
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Well you learn something every day. I've never noticed there was a topic completed button ;D
I don't think you are alone :)