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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: islayhawk on Tuesday 13 February 18 14:58 GMT (UK)
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I am having trouble locating the Birth record for my GFather - Arthur Hart. I have his Death record, and his Marriage record for 1891. He shows on the Census for 1881,1901,1911. Each Census shows him born in Renfrew circa 1869. His Parents were Arthur Hart -born Ireland and Margaret MacGonnigle.
Doing searches on Scotlandspeople does not show him. He was RC
Can anyone help
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He might be this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F731-QF2
Maureen
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1871 Census 4 South Croft, Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire
Nettia McGunigall, 50, ...This is, I think, Letitia McGonnigle
John, 25
Ann, 21
George, 20
Arthur Hart, Grandson. It doesn't give his age on the Ancestry transcription. I suspect the original census on Scotlands People may be badly written and difficult to make out.
P.S. Found him on Scotlands People. He is aged 3 according to them in 1871.
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There is a marriage for an Arthur Hart / Margaret McGonnigal 17th Feb, 1871 Govan Lanark.
ev
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There is a Catholic record for Paisley, which looks like him - but there is a problem. The preview of this Catholic birth, on Scotlands People is:
Arthur Hart, born 18 May 1868, and baptised 28 Jun 1868 at Paisley, St Mirrin's. Parents: Arthur Hart/Margaret McGhee.
So, the problem is.... Margaret McGhee - is she the same person as Margaret McGonnigle?
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Wow! This is getting intriguing. A skeleton in the Family cupboard.
Thanks so much everyone. I would be going round in circles looking for the info. Anymore more info would be most welcome.
Peter hart
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Frustrating that the page I need on Scotlandspeople although indexed as 1868, is 1864
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Doing a search on Scotlandspeople for a marriage from 1860 between Arthur Hart and Margaret MacGhee give no result nor does Arthur Hart and a surname only of Macghee. However, doing a search using Arthur Hart and a Christian name of Margaret gives 4 results , three of which are my descendants. So could I assume the Margaret MacGhee is a typo error. There is an indexing error in the full Baptismal report for Arthur Hart for the year 1968 in Scotlandspeople which I have reported
Peter Hart
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Oddly enough, I was so curious that I also opened up the 1868 birth record, probably just around the same time as you did - and I also reported it. I have asked them if the lower half of the page is missing. If you look at it again, you will see that much of the lowest part of the page is black. Whatever the reason for the information at the top of the birth not agreeing with what is below, I think there is a fair chance that they might come up with an image of the true birth. I hope they do.
P.S. I wondered if they went to Ireland to be married.
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They got Married In Glasgow - I have the record of the Marriage, they got Married 18th Feb 1871 in Govan. It is possible although he was Illegitimate that his Father is Arthur Hart my GGFather and they never married until 3 years later, that is assuming that Margaret MacGhee is Margaret McGonnigal
Thanks
Peter Hart
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Arthur Hart married Margaret McGonigall at Govan in 1871. No wonder the marriage couldn't be found. We were only looking as far as 1868, because of Arthur's birth then. So it looks like a possibility of Arthur being illigit. Either that or he was simply just slow to marry Margaret McGonigall. Maybe the child's true mother was Margaret McGhee right enough.
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Identical thinking. I figured it out but you beat me by a few minutes to post it! Ha ha,
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This site is truly amazing. i am indebted to everyone who has replied to my query. In two hours I have got an answer to a question that has puzzled me for a long time. I never thought of him being illegitimate.
thanks so much
Peter Hart.
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Arthur Hart married Margaret McGonigall at Govan in 1871. No wonder the marriage couldn't be found. We were only looking as far as 1868, because of Arthur's birth then. So it looks like a possibility of Arthur being illigit. Either that or he was simply just slow to marry Margaret McGonigall. Maybe the child's true mother was Margaret McGhee right enough.
Think its more likely for some reason he was slow to marry.
On the 1871 he is shown with the Mcgongal family in Paisley and I know it is the correct family. I have a feeling that somewhere in my research I have seen Margaret Mcgonigal having a middle initial of M. I wonder if the M was for Mcghee.
Peter hart
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I have just received the correct image for the birth of Arthur from Scotlands People. In the column marked "Legitimacy" there is just a stroke. Parents are Arthur Hart & Margaret McGonigal. The date of birth is 18 May 1868 at 17 Moss Street. And the baptism date is 28th June.
Maybe McGhee was Margaret's middle name, but there seems little doubt that Margaret McGonigal is the true mother.
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Thankyou so much. I havent received anything from Scotlandspeople yet.
I am really grateful for the help
Peter hart