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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: plimmerian on Tuesday 13 February 18 22:43 GMT (UK)
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PLIMMER Arthur 1 month Infant 22 Marmion Terrace buried 21 February 1902 (mass grave)
PLIMMER Herbert 8 months Infant 37 Beloe Street buried 27 September 1902 (mass grave)
GRO list mother as SWIFT (two of mine known are the same!)
trying to find who lived at those addresses but
1911 at 37A Beloe St is Mrs Frances Davenport and 2 daughters, husband at sea
1911 at 22 Marmion Terrace is widowed Mrs Mary Jane Myddleton, 1 daughter, 1 son
(don't appear related to those boys who died there)
would I be better finding out who lived there in 1901?
(their mother and siblings lived in Kensington District in 1901)
Thanks.
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1911 is nine years after the children's burials. It's not surprising that residents of both addresses have changed in that time. I agree that finding the residents in 1901 might be beneficial. I believe you search by addresses on Find My Past (I don't have a sub so can't check I'm sorry).
Do you have both death certificates? The informants may be relatives. Perhaps the family moved in the months after Arthur's death, hence the different addresses.
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Hi at the 22, Marmion Terrace address in 1901 was a David and Martha Foxley
Census ref RG13/3429/135/16
Beloe Street RG13/3430/84/10
Keyboard86
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Plimmerian, do you have the parents and other siblings of these babies on the 1901 census?
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Plimmerian, do you have the parents and other siblings of these babies on the 1901 census?
I thought the " Mother and siblings lived in the Kensington District" in 1901?
Keyboard86
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Plimmerian, do you have the parents and other siblings of these babies on the 1901 census?
I thought the " Mother and siblings lived in the Kensington District" in 1901?
Keyboard86
oops, missed that. Thanks. :-[
And the father?
"Kensington district"? Is that in Liverpool as well?
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:) Wish we had at least the Mother & siblings names to save on searching, but possibly in the Kensington District, West Derby we have:-
Ellen Plimmer 35
Lily G 9
Harold E 8
Residing at Lennox Street
Census ref RG13/3491/103/13
Keyboard86
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Original burial entries show these burials were 'single' interments in public graves so not mass burials as such although a number of adults and children would be buried in this type of grave. The family would have paid for this type of burial and at the time it was the most popular type of burial and did not necessarily reflect on the financial situation of the deceased and their family. It's difficult for us to track the movements of families as people moved very often from tenancy to tenancy. My own ancestors didn't have longer lasting tenancies until the 1920s onwards:-
Arthur Plimmer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-D9LC-Y?cat=405169
Herbert Plimmer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-D9L4-S?cat=405169
Blue
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Maybe contact the cemetery's office and ask them for more information.
http://liverpool.gov.uk/contact-us/service-area/cemeteries-and-crematoria/
The images look like they are an index.
There is most probably more then one register for burials, the other one should have more details as to who paid for the funeral.
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The links in the quote below, viewable when signed in to Family Search, are of the original burial registers they were used by this excellent transcription site where most people initially find burial details for Toxteth Park Cemetery:-
http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/Toxteth%20Park%20Cemetery%20Main%20Home%20Page.html
There are Order Books for this cemetery at Liverpool Record Office to see the type of information have a look at the ones on Family Search these only go up to 1901 online but I think the Record Office will have books for 1902. The cemetery people will likely refer any enquiry to the records in the Record Office:-
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/462697?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Blue
Original burial entries show these burials were 'single' interments in public graves so not mass burials as such although a number of adults and children would be buried in this type of grave. The family would have paid for this type of burial and at the time it was the most popular type of burial and did not necessarily reflect on the financial situation of the deceased and their family. It's difficult for us to track the movements of families as people moved very often from tenancy to tenancy. My own ancestors didn't have longer lasting tenancies until the 1920s onwards:-
Arthur Plimmer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-D9LC-Y?cat=405169
Herbert Plimmer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-D9L4-S?cat=405169
Blue
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thanks for all the posts 8)
and sorry for the delay
my ill health means I'm not always able to reply straight away
Ellen Swift married James Plimmer in 1890
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFX4-XP1 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFX4-XP1)
they lived on Edge Lane in 1891 before James died in 1893 on Pringle Street
in 1901 Ellen and her off spring were at 30 Lennox Street, Kensington, her occupation as a cook at a post office (James had been a postman)
by 1911 they had moved to 34 Fairview Place, Toxteth, her occupation now as a shop keeper / chandler who by 1914 was living at 45 Nickleby Street, Toxteth
by 1939 at her son in law's of 34 Geraint Street, Toxteth
she died in 1950, aged 85, at the infamous "126 Smithdown Road" and I've been told she was buried in Allerton - in an unmarked grave!
James was buried in West Derby cemetery with his first wife (it has a headstone)!
Their daughter was cremated at Springwood Crematorium, Allerton in 1977 and their son was buried in Allerton in 1962, where his wife and her first husband are also buried (it has a headstone).
Thanks again for contributing to my post ;)
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More addresses to add to the mystery, the birth PDF arrived for the twins:
Arthur Plimmer born 16 Jan 1902 at 12h 5m (am)
Herbert Plimmer born 16 Jan 1902 at 12h 10m (am)
both in 5 Houldsworth Street, Toxteth Park
(mother's address as 22 Warwick Terrace, Beresford Road, Toxteth Park)
more investigations needed now!
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update:
Arthur Plimmer died 19 Feb 1902 (22 Marmion Terrace, Beresford Road) (cause: marasmus)
Herbert Plimmer died 24 Sep 1902 (37 Beloe Street) (cause: meningitis)
a sad ending, especially with the loss of potentially two more branches, to an already flimsy tree!
:'(