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Title: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 15 February 18 14:45 GMT (UK)
I did my DNA test and sent it in a month ago. Just had an email which says its going to be delayed because of high demand. This doesn't surprise me - infact, I half expected it. The email actually reads as if they haven't even started processing it but suggests I 'jump start' the 'discovery process' by putting a family tree on Ancestry. I don't know...

First, I've never been sure if I could do this without an Ancestry subscription but it reads as if I can. I assume this also means that I will also be able to access other people's trees who have tested, without a subscription?

Second, I've been wary of putting my tree on any site for all and sundry to see since a bad experience years ago with Genes Reunited. If I go ahead and put my tree on Ancestry via their DNA website, will it just be accessible to other DNA testers, or to everyone with a subscription, whether or not they have taken the DNA test?

Jill
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: davidft on Thursday 15 February 18 14:56 GMT (UK)
What you could do is start a tree with a few real or imaginary people and then see if people can see it.

(I have an account with Ancestry and would be willing to look for it if you do start it. I have not done a DNA test with Ancestry (mine were with ftDNA) so that would also answer the question as to whether people who have not done a DNA test with them can see it. Must admit I would be annoyed if people who do not have a subscription could see it, after all in that situation what would be the case of a subscription?)

I do have a tree on there but mine is private as I am still correcting it, and I don't need people telling bits are wrong when I already know that, and adding records. Perhaps you could start a tree and keep it private until you decide if you want to give access to all and sundry or just invited guests.

Finally it should answer your question in their onsite notes but good luck searching them!
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 15 February 18 15:08 GMT (UK)

Must admit I would be annoyed if people who do not have a subscription could see it, after all in that situation what would be the case of a subscription?)


Except that you pay quite a lot for the DNA test in the first place so you could argue that that should enable access to the trees of other DNA testers. I suppose what it boils down to is this: are trees uploaded via the Ancestry DNA site 'separate' from those on the general Ancestry website? I'll have a look on their Q&A online but I've never had much luck navigating Ancestry, which is why I've never taken out a sub.

Thanks for the offer of looking to see if mine is there (if I do it!). I shall bear it in mind!
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: davidft on Thursday 15 February 18 15:21 GMT (UK)

Except that you pay quite a lot for the DNA test in the first place so you could argue that that should enable access to the trees of other DNA testers.

I strongly disagree with that, and it would stop me from taking a test with any site that did that.

What I can tell you if it helps is that on ftDNA you can put up a tree to link to your DNA results but you can control who has access to it, perhaps it may turn out that Ancestry is the same.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 15 February 18 16:14 GMT (UK)
davidft,

I've put myself and my parents onto an Ancestry tree via their DNA website (I hope!).

Could you look to see if you can access it via the 'normal' Ancestry site please. I suspect that you will be able to. Its Russell family and my full name is Jillian Russell. Ta!

I've found a few helpful videos on Youtube so will work my way through them but something tells me I'm going to have to bite the bullet and put my full tree on there if I want to get my money's worth, true Yorkshire lass that I am!!

Still not sure if its worth the bother, though, if I can't access other's trees without having a sub.

You know, I've asked this basic question a few times now and no one seems to be able to answer it: DO YOU NEED AN ANCESTRY SUBSCRIPTION TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE TREES OF THE PEOPLE ON YOUR DNA RESULTS???

Jill
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Carmella on Thursday 15 February 18 16:22 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I think this link might answer your question:

https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/AncestryDNA-with-an-Ancestry-Subscription-US-1460090085520-3160

I found it on Roberta Estes blog post "Which DNA Test is Best?" (from dna-explained.com)

C
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: davidft on Thursday 15 February 18 16:43 GMT (UK)
I have had a look and can not see it so far, but that could be because you have just uploaded it - not sure if there is a slight delay in seeing other peoples trees when they are created/updated.

Did find several other trees with the name you gave but you were not the owner of any of them.

I think the link Carmella gave helpfully goes a long way to answering your question ie you need a subscription  to view


Extra DNA features with a subscription

New Ancestor Discoveries
Find possible ancestors who aren't listed in your tree. When two or more of your DNA matches a) are DNA matches to you and to each other at a 2nd cousin level or further out; b) have public family trees attached to their DNA tests; and c) share a common ancestor (according to their trees), that common ancestor will appear to you in the form of a New Ancestor Discovery.

DNA Circles
Meet groups of relatives who likely descend from a common ancestor. A DNA Circle will form around an ancestor in your family tree if your tree is public and linked to your DNA test, and if two or more of your DNA matches are DNA matches to you and to each other at a 2nd cousin level or further out, have public family trees attached to their DNA tests; and share a common ancestor (according to their trees).

Shared Ancestor Hints
A shared hint is a common ancestor found in the linked family trees of both you and your DNA match; a shared ancestor hint can direct you to which ancestor you share with that match.

Matches’ trees
Access your matches' public family trees. So if their trees are private you still won't see them.

Shared surnames and birth locations
View lists of shared surnames and birthplaces in your matches’ public trees.

Hope that helps


 
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 15 February 18 17:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks to you both. So, neither public nor private trees are accessible to non subscribers.

Carmella's link was just what I wanted to know. I do think Ancestry should make all this clear from the start but then, as I've said, I've never found anything about Ancestry to be particularly clear. Equally, I can understand why I won't be able to access trees without a sub. I shall have to rely on emailing any connections and hoping they reply.

I won't bother going any further with my tree but would be interested to know if it shows up, davidft! Did you mean that my name shows up on some other trees? Interesting - but it could very well go all the way back to the 'chinese whispers' of the Genes Reunited era!

Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: davidft on Thursday 15 February 18 17:53 GMT (UK)
Just had another look and still not there. It could be that as a new tree I don't see it (if at all) until after an overnight update. I shall look again tomorrow just in case that is the situation.

Re the name on the trees, they are the same as yours except two have a middle initial H and two have a middle name Marie. Both are deceased. Its also a name that comes up several times on marriages - that was the first page I saw when I did the search.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 15 February 18 18:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks. It could be that, trees without a sub are kept only for DNA purposes. Who knows? Complicated, isn't it?

I don't have a middle name - let alone an H - so not me, thank goodness.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Pheno on Thursday 15 February 18 20:00 GMT (UK)
Personally I can't see what you have to lose Jill.  I find that when going through my matches I am much more likely to make contact with someone who has got some semblance of a tree on the site (even if I can't see it) as it implies to me that they are at least interested in their genealogy even if they don't know much about it.
I assume someone with no tree has just done a fun test for their ethnicity and generally wouldn't follow up unless the relationship is guestimated as quite close or the surname is one I am interested in.
Putting up an outline tree just might get you some contacts.

Pheno
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 15 February 18 20:03 GMT (UK)
Back to the old, old question though. Wouldn't I have to pay a sub for the privilege?
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Pheno on Thursday 15 February 18 20:23 GMT (UK)
I don't think so.  I assume you must have a username and an account in order to activate your dna test so I think that you can just add a tree to that account.

What you won't be able to do without a sub is to look at other people's trees but there's nothing to stop actual subscribers making contact with you if you have a bare bones public tree attached to your dna result.

Guess someone will put me right if this is not the case.  Apologies if I am getting this wrong - its just difficult as a subscriber to know what non-subscribers can do.

Pheno
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: youngtug on Thursday 15 February 18 20:36 GMT (UK)
I do not have a subscription to Ancestry but I have a tree on there, I cannot see other tree's, public or otherwise. Also it must be noted,I have not signed up for Ancestry DNA, so not a complete answer to your question.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 15 February 18 20:46 GMT (UK)
I take your point - even though I wouldn't be able to see other trees, anyone with an Ancestry sub who found a connection through our respective DNA tests WOULD be able to see mine and hopefully make contact. I say hopefully because, so far, according to davidft, my tiny tree hasn't made an appearance - and, yes, I did click on the button to link it to my DNA test.

Not sure I go along with your assertion, Pheno, that, just because someone hasn't put their tree on Ancestry, you should naturally assume that they're not a serious family historian. That seems a bit of a sweeping statement, if you don't mind me saying so.

yountug, I find that reassuring. I think I may well add some more to my tree once I've established that its actually shown up!

Just one more question - for peace of mind. I hope I'm right in thinking that, should I put my tree on Ancestry, no one other than me can make any alterations to it?

Jill
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: youngtug on Thursday 15 February 18 21:00 GMT (UK)
No one but the tree owner can make alterations to a tree, unless you have made provision for joint access.
The strange thing that I have noticed is that using google to search for a name sometimes throws up a link  to a ancestry tree. Just a snippet of information, sometimes a photo, but you cannot access further.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 16 February 18 06:48 GMT (UK)
As someone with an ancestry subscription and also having had DNA tested, the owner of a previously private and now public tree, and also a husband who has tested who does not have a subscription, I can answer some of your queries.

First of all, if you make your tree private, nobody can see it unless you invite them to do so and if you make your tree public, everyone can see it.

If you attach your DNA results to yourself in your public tree, it will show a 7 generation (to 3G grandparents) pedigree view of your tree to all other matches who have a subscription so that you can see if a connection is likely, also a 10 generation list of your ancestral surnames. It will also show them your ethnicity, shared matches, map and locations.

If you attach your DNA results to yourself in a private tree, matches will be able to see your ethnicity and any shared matches with you.
If someone searches for surnames and places, you will come up as a match, also shared ancestor hints will show to other people, though they won't be able to see any details.

Without a subscription, the only information you will be able to see about other matches is their ethnicity and your shared matches, ie 4 to 6 cousins or closer with whom you share a match. You will be able to contact matches through their DNA page, but not through their home page.

So, I think the best advice might be to build your private tree in advance, when your results get back experiment with what you can see of others trees if they remain private, see what you can and can't do without a subscription.

To get the most out of ancestryDNA you need an ancestry subscription, my husband was offered a half price subscription after he sent his DNA off for testing.

Hope this helps
Regards Margaret

Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 16 February 18 07:05 GMT (UK)

Don't forget, you can upload to other sites such as gedmatch and familytreeDNA, where you don't have to be a subscriber to see trees, surnames, places etc.

Margaret
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: hurworth on Friday 16 February 18 09:04 GMT (UK)

Don't forget, you can upload to other sites such as gedmatch and familytreeDNA, where you don't have to be a subscriber to see trees, surnames, places etc.

Margaret
At FamilyTreeDNA one option is to make your tree visible to DNA matches only.

I have several trees at Ancestry, and all bar one are private.  The public one is connected to a DNA test, and it is a fairly simple pedigree w/o all the siblings and cousins.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: davidft on Friday 16 February 18 10:46 GMT (UK)
jillruss

I had a look today and cannot see any trace of your tree which would seem to suggest that on the original site you cannot see trees on the DNA site. That seems wrong to me as that would mean Ancestry are effectively running two sites and not making it clear. If anyone with more/better knowledge could throw some light on this I would be grateful.

And thanks to sugarfizzle, I found your post earlier today very helpful.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: hurworth on Friday 16 February 18 10:49 GMT (UK)
I think trees are only able to be found in a search IF they have Ancestry records attached to them. 
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Friday 16 February 18 11:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all.

Sugarfizzle - what a great help you are. You've answered so many of my questions and, who knows, maybe I will take out an Ancestry sub in due course if I find its the obvious way to go. I know they have a lot of W Yorkshire records which would be very helpful to my research.

In the meantime I will go ahead and input a few generations of my tree minus siblings and see what happens. I hadn't noticed if, doing it via the DNA website, it gives you the option between private and public but will have to take a good look.

I'm afraid I didn't understand your comment, hurworth, about trees only being found in a search 'if they have Ancestry records attached to them'???
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 16 February 18 11:48 GMT (UK)
I think trees are only able to be found in a search IF they have Ancestry records attached to them. 

Not sure if that is correct, hurworth, though I may be wrong.

Jill you won't show up in search results as you are living, maybe the other people you have in your tree are as well?

Add someone who isn't still living, made up if you like, add a birth date, death date and an unusual name, post that person's details here and let's see if we can find them.

Margaret
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Friday 16 February 18 11:59 GMT (UK)
I think trees are only able to be found in a search IF they have Ancestry records attached to them. 

Not sure if that is correct, hurworth, though I may be wrong.

Jill you won't show up in search results as you are living, maybe the other people you have in your tree are as well?

Add someone who isn't still living, made up if you like, add a birth date, death date and an unusual name, post that person's details here and let's see if we can find them.

Margaret

Margaret, I think I'm going to award you the Brain of the Day Award!! It never occurred to my feeble one that I wouldn't show up because, contrary to my brain scan, I AM still alive!!! I have also put my parents on so could you try searching for Frederick John Russell born Medmenham, Bucks 17 Sept 1921. He is no longer with us.

Jill
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 16 February 18 12:27 GMT (UK)
Still no joy.

Is his death date added, if not, someone born 1921 won't automatically be shown as being deceased.
Margaret
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Friday 16 February 18 12:41 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Yes, I put his death date in! I'm not having a good day, am I? Or even a good week! I've put some more onto my tree but I can't figure out how to get beyond great grandparents as no little boxes are automatically popping up (like they were previously) and there doesn't appear to be anything else to click on to go further.

I am doing this via their DNA website but the url is for the main site:-   
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/119432124/family

And I still can't see anything asking me if I want it to be private or public!!

I think I might give up and bang my head against the wall now!!!
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: familydar on Friday 16 February 18 13:46 GMT (UK)
Jill, I can see you tree so that means it's currently public.  The pop-up boxes that have gone missing - I don't recall if I get them in tree view but I certainly do on each individual's profile page.  Make sure you're in the "facts" tab though, you don't get them from "hints".

Tree settings (public/private etc) are under "create & manage trees" from the menu near the top of the page (assuming you're on a computer rather than mobile device)

Jane :-)
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Friday 16 February 18 14:34 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Jane.

I think I've figured out now how to add some more to my tree. They don't make it easy for complete newbies to their site, do they? This has always been my moan about Ancestry - I've tried it a couple of times and find it extremely difficult to navigate - its probably just too big for its own good! Either that or my faculties are seriously flying out of the window!!!  :'(

Anyway, I'll (hopefully) carry on up to my 4x greats and stop there. I doubt my DNA results will come up with any earlier connections.

I've also found their half price membership offer for DNA participants. I'll wait for my results and then might very well take advantage of that - its very reasonable.

Sorry everyone for having been a useless pain in the whatsits today - it really is one of those days. It took me 5 attempts to switch the bloomin' TV on earlier! I swore at it - and it worked!  ;D
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: hurworth on Friday 16 February 18 18:46 GMT (UK)
Out to 4th gt-grandparents should cover it. 

One of my cousins is a match to her gtgtgtgt-grandfather's sister's descendant (their side has crammed in more generations), so it can and does happen.  We don't know the names of their parents anyway.  They were born in the 1750s.



Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 16 February 18 19:06 GMT (UK)
If you can go further back it will help you and others to make a connection.

Ancestry considers up to 4th to 6th cousins as fairly close, 5th to 8th cousins as distant cousins. That is, back as far as 5G grandparents for close matches, back to 7G grandparents for the more distant ones.

My successes have been in both groups. Look at this way - you are a match with someone, but you don't know where because you have no names in common in your tree. This maybe because you haven't added the branch by which your match is connected.  Or maybe you have a brick wall so haven't got the name of that elusive ancestor.

For further reading whilst you are waiting for your results read any ISOGG article, also Lost Cousins newsletters​.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 16 February 18 19:25 GMT (UK)
I am only making my basic tree public.. NO certs or photos or details added. 

name dob and general info only.

If and when the bloomin DNA results get here....

xin
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Friday 16 February 18 20:10 GMT (UK)
I shall carry on going then! May as well do the thing right. I can see what you mean, Margaret, and will at least try another couple of generations, though some lines get a lot more patchy.

Xinia, I'm assuming you got the same email as me this week saying the results will be delayed? From the way they worded it, I don't think they've even started processing my test and I know we submitted ours at about the same time. Oh well, on the positive side, it means there will be more and more people to compare our results with!!
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Pheno on Friday 16 February 18 20:36 GMT (UK)
Which is why Jill I overlook those matches that don't have a tree attached as you will find that you have pages and pages of matches and can't possibly message them all.

You have to filter somehow, obviously names and places, but even then a lot of matches so I assume that those without info attached either don't know or don't want to know - it still leaves me with more matches that I can deal with.  I can always come back to those without trees later.

Pheno
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 16 February 18 21:24 GMT (UK)


Xinia, I'm assuming you got the same email as me this week saying the results will be delayed? From the way they worded it, I don't think they've even started processing my test and I know we submitted ours at about the same time. Oh well, on the positive side, it means there will be more and more people to compare our results with!!


Yes two letters explaining away delay :( 

xin
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Saturday 17 February 18 12:14 GMT (UK)
As I carry on inputting my tree, just pondering....

Should I omit any branches where I'm taking an educated (but not fully proved) guess at where it goes, or should I include them to see if they can be 'proved' by DNA association? Or would it not make any difference either way in that, if wrong, they won't come into play anyway?

I'm thinking that, since I've decided to make my tree public (to get the best from my DNA test) the only casualties might be those tree scavengers who just take great swathes of others' trees without asking. In which case, they deserve to have possible wrong information. Years ago, on Genes Reunited, I went to great lengths to inform someone that a particular branch was my theory and not to take it as gospel, only to find a few weeks later that, not only did it appear on their tree but on quite a few others as well. Since then, to be honest, I've taken zero notice of other peoples' trees and that is why I've had to do a lot of soul searching to come to the conclusion that I need to 'join the party' again to take full advantage of the DNA test.

Ramble over...

Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 17 February 18 13:16 GMT (UK)
Remember that to show up in the index (eventually), names in your ancestry tree will have to be sourced.
http://www.geneamusings.com/2017/12/ancestry-member-trees-indexing-rules.html
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Saturday 17 February 18 13:37 GMT (UK)
Yes, well   :-[ I've read the link, jonw65, but what does it mean? Practically? I'm going to all this trouble to add my tree but it won't be searchable unless I do what?  ???

I am beginning to remember why I never bothered with Ancestry before - everything seems to be clothed in mystery that only the chosen ones will understand!! It feels like I'm trying to enter a secret society and I don't have the right password!!

I like to think I'm a reasonably intelligent woman but I'm losing the will to carry on!
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 17 February 18 14:17 GMT (UK)
Hi
I think it means that unless you are able to attach sources from ancestry to a person, then that person will not make it into the index.
Whether that's important re your possible DNA connections or not, I don't know. Probably not.
And of course you can have a private tree on there in any case.
But it's not like it used to be on ancestry. In the past you could build a quick tree and it would probably have been indexed within a few weeks or a month perhaps. Even without a sub.
Perhaps ancestry cannot cope with the sheer numbers any more.
John
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 17 February 18 16:06 GMT (UK)
Just to add that you can use the FreeBMD records that are on ancestry to provide sources for 1837-1915
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Finley 1 on Saturday 17 February 18 16:32 GMT (UK)
I am not sure I want to play this silly game anymore..

so many of the trees on ancestry are so messed up - find the 'facts' that I will have so called cousins that really are NOT..

This drop down box ... business within my family mean that a lot of them travelled overnight from Hinckley Leicestershire to somewhere out in America.. and they really didnt believe me.

So who the heck is going to be telling me they are my cousins I do NOT KNOW.

I attempted to 'assist'   a really real 2nd cousin - along the correct route (or is that Rowt :) ) last year and she would not believe me - even with my Proof of BMD certs... cos they died in America.. not Hinckley Leics. aaaargh.. why cos she says so...

xin 
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Saturday 17 February 18 16:55 GMT (UK)
I'm with you, Xinia.

I didn't already have a tree on Ancestry and have only put one on now because I want results from my DNA test. I've always found them pretty rubbish as well, when using them for 'ordinary' matching purposes but I suppose we both must have convnced ourselves that the DNA thing would bring better results.

So, I've input up to and including 5th ggrandparents, where I can but so far I've ignored this 'sourcing' stuff - basically, because there's nowhere on the screen asking for it so I assume it aint necessary. I may very well be wrong!

I'm now going to try and read up about the DNA tests seeing as how we appear to have to wait for a few more weeks yet for our results.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Finley 1 on Saturday 17 February 18 17:59 GMT (UK)
 ;D

at least we are in this together :)


ha ha

xin
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Saturday 17 February 18 18:17 GMT (UK)
;D

at least we are in this together :)


ha ha

xin

Yes! Mutual bamboozlement!!  ::)
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 20 February 18 13:22 GMT (UK)
Well if you do want to add some sources from ancestry without a sub, you will have a chance at the weekend!
Free access to ancestry, 23-25 Feb
"Starting this Friday, we're giving you free access to all our UK and Irish records for three whole days"

No doubt there will soon be a thread on rootschat about this as well!
John
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 20 February 18 14:01 GMT (UK)
Well if you do want to add some sources from ancestry without a sub, you will have a chance at the weekend!
Free access to ancestry, 23-25 Feb
"Starting this Friday, we're giving you free access to all our UK and Irish records for three whole days"

No doubt there will soon be a thread on rootschat about this as well!
John

John, you posted under

Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test -

which was nothing to do with Ancestry - Free Access  23-25 February - I don't check every thread so that heading didn't register - hence I raised a topic Ancestry - Free Access  23-25 February -
to try and be helpful to everyone.

Sandra

Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Tuesday 20 February 18 14:13 GMT (UK)

Sandra, The topic was about whether to make an ancestry tree, and how to make it searchable by adding Ancestry records, so not a totally different subject.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Tuesday 20 February 18 14:27 GMT (UK)

Sandra, The topic was about whether to make an ancestry tree, and how to make it searchable by adding Ancestry records, so not a totally different subject.

Regards Margaret

I agree - John was just trying to be helpful. He DID say someone would probably open a separate thread about the free access. perhaps you'd like to, Sandra?
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 20 February 18 15:19 GMT (UK)

Sandra, The topic was about whether to make an ancestry tree, and how to make it searchable by adding Ancestry records, so not a totally different subject.

Regards Margaret

I agree - John was just trying to be helpful. He DID say someone would probably open a separate thread about the free access. perhaps you'd like to, Sandra?

See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=788279.msg6437778

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Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Wednesday 21 February 18 11:37 GMT (UK)
Remember that to show up in the index (eventually), names in your ancestry tree will have to be sourced.
http://www.geneamusings.com/2017/12/ancestry-member-trees-indexing-rules.html

Interesting link, I didn't realise that at all.

After careful consideration, I have now made my main tree private again, which it was prior to me getting my DNA results last year.  I downloaded an ancestry gedcom, imported it to my family tree programme, then set it to export a further gedcom. Starting with my daughter, showing all ancestors and siblings, but not the other people who keep on getting added to my rather large tree, which actually starts with my grandaughter, i.e. son in laws family.

Imported this much reduced gedcom back into ancestry and deleted daughter (best way to avoid any online privacy issues is not to have the information there in the first place, even as private).

Now I have a public tree attached to my husband's and my DNA results. It does have full sources included, even ones which ancestry has supplied, but since there are no attached records or ancestry sources, it should remain visible to my DNA matches only.

If it works, it will be a complete success.

Thanks John
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Wednesday 21 February 18 12:12 GMT (UK)
I've finished uploading my tree - no aunts, uncles etc, just the basic tree.

I still haven't actually taken out a sub with Ancestry so whatever little leaves I click on just take me to the 'join now' screen. I do get a list of matches from other trees but, again, can't access them without a sub.

As I've got the above, I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly) that my tree has been indexed and is available to Ancestry members?

Anyway, I've started reading the book on DNA & Genealogy which was recommended by someone on this thread (had to buy the book as I don't possess a kindle) and I must say, so far, its very accessible and reasonably easy to understand. Not that I'll be going for my PhD in Genealogy any time soon.........
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: familydar on Wednesday 21 February 18 13:36 GMT (UK)
Free weekend coming up, you'll be able to rectify some of those green leaves  :)
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 22 February 18 17:31 GMT (UK)
Yep Split My main tree on Ancestry   ? how many trees are you allowed?

Anyhow for reasons of anyone possibly - interacting with any DNA results that I may get (eventually.......... ::)) 

I split my tree into two branches.. Pat and Mat .. :) 

less complicated for me.

however I didnt put any info or links just name dob etc..   and looking at them now they are showing odd links... hang on I will do a screen.shot....


xin
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 23 February 18 03:57 GMT (UK)
xin, not sure what is odd about the links, I have lots of them. Click on them and they will give you the information.

As for what to do when you and Jill get your results back, here is a link to the latest Lost Cousins newsletter.

https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latefeb18news.htm

Margaret
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Sinann on Friday 23 February 18 10:48 GMT (UK)
I've never had a sub, have I think only 2 records I got from Ancestry on a free weekend on my tree, don't have a tree on Ancestry or anywhere online but I was given an Ancestry DNA test for Christmas and am waiting for the results, reading this thread I think the money spent on the gift may have been wasted.
I'm not going to do anything until the test result arrives and than I'll have a think what to do with it.
Interesting thread though, thanks.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Pheno on Friday 23 February 18 11:48 GMT (UK)
Can't understand how any true genealogist can think a dna test is wasted!

Okay so one can't afford/doesn't want a sub to Ancestry but you can upload a direct ancestor line with a link to the dna result.

Also whether or not you can see and make use of other people's dna results they can make use of yours.  If other people have a close match with you once your dna test results are available on ancestry (and you can't prevent that having submitted a test) then those people will be contacting you asking about names/places in your tree.  Communication can only help verify/discard those matches for all involved.

Pheno

Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Friday 23 February 18 11:55 GMT (UK)
xin, not sure what is odd about the links, I have lots of them. Click on them and they will give you the information.

As for what to do when you and Jill get your results back, here is a link to the latest Lost Cousins newsletter.

https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latefeb18news.htm

Margaret

Thanks for the link, Margaret. I do get those newsletters, which are very helpful but up until taking the DNA Test, I hadn't really bothered to read his articles on DNA testing. Having read through it, I feel as though I can do this!!  ;D

I had an email from Ancestry a couple of days back to say they're now testing my sample and to allow 2-4 weeks before they email me with the results, so getting nearer!!

The Newsletter seems to be saying that we are more likely to identify more 'distant' cousins and that its a good idea to start at the 1841 census and research the siblings of our direct ancestors forward as far as possible, obviously throwing up many more surnames to identify (hopefully) from the results list.

I have usually researched who the siblings married and sometimes the names of their children but never gone further forward with these relatives.

Just wondering if others with DNA test results think this would be a fruitful exercise - or just making unnecessary work for myself? I can imagine the number of people involved if you start at 1841 and work all the way through to 1911 - and possibly 1939! Seems like a colossal job!

What do others think?

Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Sinann on Friday 23 February 18 12:02 GMT (UK)
Can't understand how any true genealogist can think a dna test is wasted!

Okay so one can't afford/doesn't want a sub to Ancestry but you can upload a direct ancestor line with a link to the dna result.

Also whether or not you can see and make use of other people's dna results they can make use of yours.  If other people have a close match with you once your dna test results are available on ancestry (and you can't prevent that having submitted a test) then those people will be contacting you asking about names/places in your tree.  Communication can only help verify/discard those matches for all involved.

Pheno



That's good to know I got the impression from this thread that without a tree there was no way to get matches on Ancestry. (I do realize you can upload the result to other sites)

I'd never call myself a 'true genealogist' I wouldn't even call myself a genealogist.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Pheno on Friday 23 February 18 12:10 GMT (UK)
Apologies, I have always assumed those who make a large amount of posts and are classified as a marquessate to have real genealogical vibes as I have always thought that one must have a true interest to respond to others so readily.

Pheno
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Sinann on Friday 23 February 18 12:21 GMT (UK)
Apologies, I have always assumed those who make a large amount of posts and are classified as a marquessate to have real genealogical vibes as I have always thought that one must have a true interest to respond to others so readily.

Pheno

Oh yes lots of interest and a little bit of knowledge at this stage. Clueless on the DNA stuff.
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 23 February 18 12:25 GMT (UK)
I thought this thread had explained things fairly well, and that as a general rule, the best results would be obtained by having both an ancestry subscription and an online tree.

But to call a DNA test without either as a complete waste of money, that is not what has been said or implicated, as far as I recollect without reading through everything again!

Your test is yours to do whatever you want to do with it. If you want to contact matches you can, and you can also see their basic trees. You can see your ethnicity, for what it worth.

You can download your DNA data and upload to other sites, where a subscription is not required. As has been said, you can help others if you do not want to do anything else with your results at all.

One 3rd cousin, previously unknown to me, exact descent unknown. From shared matches I know what line he is from, and he knows his grandmother's name.
Bingo, worked it out in a few minutes.

Margaret
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 23 February 18 12:36 GMT (UK)
Jill, as for Peter Calver's suggestion to work from 1841 to 1881 census, following families through.

I tend to do this anyway, which is why my full tree is so big. I try and follow male siblings till the name runs out, female line for some 2 or 3 generations.

You are descended from 'Smith', your maiden name. Smith has a boy and a girl. Girl Smith marries Brown, girl Brown marries Jones.

You are looking for Smith matches, descendant of Jones is looking for Jones matches.

Unless one or other of you also knows about Brown, you won't know how you match.

So preferably enter as many names as you can.

Margaret
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: jillruss on Friday 23 February 18 12:45 GMT (UK)
Jill, as for Peter Calver's suggestion to work from 1841 to 1881 census, following families through.

I tend to do this anyway, which is why my full tree is so big. I try and follow male siblings till the name runs out, female line for some 2 or 3 generations.

You are descended from 'Smith', your maiden name. Smith has a boy and a girl. Girl Smith marries Brown, girl Brown marries Jones.

You are looking for Smith matches, descendant of Jones is looking for Jones matches.

Unless one or other of you also knows about Brown, you won't know how you match.

So preferably enter as many names as you can.

Margaret

Oh b---er!! I just knew that would be the right answer!! I've been trying - again - to follow the children of one of my biggest brickwalls, all born 1810-29 but most of them are as elusive as their father (see bottom of this post!). Great start! However, I think it makes sense to start with the 'brickwall' lines.

Sinann, You ARE a genealogist' Its just that some of us come over all humble and 'who me?' when ascribing an -ologist to our names!
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 23 February 18 12:56 GMT (UK)
I am all set up and waiting... how much longer.   :(   and then I have to go and get my brain out of the freezer ... oh dear

haven't read the latest posts will catch up 'espere'  /  Ojalá

xin
Title: Re: Questions - Still undecided about creating a tree on Ancestry following DNA test
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 01 March 18 15:40 GMT (UK)
Hello All

I smiled, at the reference to a test tree online, with imaginary people, because I wonder how long it would be, before someone had the imaginary tree linked to them and purporting it to be the gospel truth.  ;D


What you could do is start a tree with a few real or imaginary people and then see if people can see it.


Regarding the original post question ...

If I got a DNA match, I would want to be contact with them, or vice versa, because perhaps my brickwall ancestor 232 years ago had a Brother and a document they traced back to of the Brother, has a reference to my ancestor. Rather than them simply copy bits of my tree they were unaware of, or see my tree and say nothing.

If I came across a tree which I thought might assist on a link, I'd still want to check out the image/s of the original, or the document for myself.

Mark