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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: wrjones on Monday 19 February 18 09:38 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for further info on the person I have listed.I am unable to find perhaps Census entries or his inclusion on World War One Casualy lists.Pieces of info I have up to now show he was 37 when he died and that he may have been born in Ayrshire Scotland.I've also found that he was living with his wife a Mary A Jones at his enlistment in 1915 at 30,Dolydd Lane,Lower Cefn,Denbighshire.He is not included on the local Cefn Mawr War Memorial.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Further info suggests he may have been born in Loch Wynnoch Ayrshire.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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He appears on the War Gratuities list as being in the 19th. Batt.
War diaries are on Ancestry.
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He doesn't appear on Ancestry with the literal info I've given on War Dead lists,searching for him either as born Denbighshire Wales or Ayrshire Scotland?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I'm not quite sure what it is your looking for.
Are you looking for a service record or his listing on the CWGC site or something else ?
OK update. His service record says he was living at 10 Queen St.
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I'm not quite sure what it is your looking for.
Are you looking for a service record or his listing on the CWGC site or something else ?
OK update. His service record says he was living at 10 Queen St.
I'm trying more than anything to find perhaps Census and perhaps Marriage info with a view to finding further descendants or relatives of William and Mary A Jones.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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They married in 1907. (Wrexham/Sept/11b/413)
There were 4 children:
Nellie 1908
Leslie 1910
Mary 1912
Doris 1915.
Mary remarried in 1920 & went by the name Mary Ann Jacks so there might be more children from that marriage for her.
She also had an illegitimate child in 1902. I can't make out the name but the surname is Edwards the mother's maiden name.
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Married July 17th 1907, Rhosymedre
William Jones, 27, bach, collier, father William Jones, labourer
Mary Ann Edwards, 27, sp, father Thomas Edwards, publican
Gadget
PS - witnesses - John E Edwards and Sarah Ann Jones
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They married in 1907. (Wrexham/Sept/11b/413)
There were 4 children:
Nellie 1908
Leslie 1910
Mary 1912
Doris 1915.
Mary remarried in 1920 & went by the name Mary Ann Jacks so there might be more children from that marriage for her.
She also had an illegitimate child in 1902. I can't make out the name but the surname is Edwards the mother's maiden name.
Ah thanks,now the Nellie and Leslie are significant in that they are the names of children appearing with a couple that jumped out at me in the 1911 Census.The only thing wrong with a possible match up is that the William is listed as born in Malpas Cheshire.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Married July 17th 1907, Rhosymedre
William Jones, 27, bach, collier, father William Jones, labourer
Mary Ann Edwards, 27, sp, father Thomas Edwards, publican
Gadget
Thanks Gadget.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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There's an interesting baptism in Rhos:
Feb 9th 1881, William Jones, son of William (collier) and Sarah, Street Las
(but then, you know what Joneses are like!)
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There's an interesting baptism in Rhos:
Feb 9th 1881, William Jones, son of William (collier) and Sarah, Street Las
(but then, you know what Joneses are like!)
Ha,yes of course.I picked out the couple in the 1911 Census as they are said to be living at I Temple Vale,Cefn which is only about 50 yards from the address at Dolydd Lane which is given in other info.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I'm not finding the Mary Ann Edwards with father Thomas in earlier Census years?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I'm not finding the Mary Ann Edwards with father Thomas in earlier Census years?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
That's what it says on marriage info. I could send you further info. if you'd like. He was a publican.
One of the witnesses was a John E Edwards, if that helps
Gadget
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Try 1891
RG12/4613/104/13
Brother John, aged 11. Father Thomas was a labourer
Add - mother was Ann
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Try 1891
RG12/4613/104/13
Brother John, aged 11. Father Thomas was a labourer
Add - mother was Ann
Thanks Gadget.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Odd - another one in 1901
1901 - in Chirk!
RG13/2546/183/30
Father Thomas Coal miner below. Brother a John E b.c. 1886
Not sure about it all. Will keep looking!
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Ah - that 1901 one has a William Jones, 21, boarder, coal miner below, b. Malpas,
Looks promising :)
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Try 1891
RG12/4613/104/13
Brother John, aged 11. Father Thomas was a labourer
Add - mother was Ann
Thanks Gadget.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
They seem a pretty elusive family forward or back from the 1891 entry?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Ah - that 1901 one has a William Jones, 21, boarder, coal miner below, b. Malpas,
Looks promising :)
Yes very promising.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Try finding the Christian of Mary Ann's daughter b. 1902 ? Edwards as they should all be together in 1911.
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Try finding the Christian of Mary Ann's daughter b. 1902 ? Edwards as they should all be together in 1911.
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Yes interestingly living at 4 Temple Vale Cefn.The obvious question to ask is why Thomas is listed as a Publican at Mary Ann's marriage?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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As the object of all this was to find relatives of William and Maary A Jones,I'm pleased to say that a grandson of Tabitha Edwards was indeed in school with me.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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They married in 1907. (Wrexham/Sept/11b/413)
Nellie 1908
Leslie 1910
Mary 1912
Doris 1915.
Are you sure this is Leslie and not Jessie.
I think the 1901 one in Chirk is definitely correct, William. Nellie probably after Ellen, mother in 1901.
Gadget
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A slight aside, but I always like looking at the Chirk censuses - ancestor spotting ;D
I see that in 1901, they were living 2 pages away from my grandparents (the one in my avatar) and as the houses were in opposite rows, I think they were living opposite them.
:)
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Are you sure this is Leslie and not Jessie.
Looked again & Jessie it is.
The illegitimate child appears to be Ellis Edwards.
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Are you sure this is Leslie and not Jessie.
Looked again & Jessie it is.
The illegitimate child appears to be Ellis Edwards.
Stayed with Thomas and Ellen, it seems.
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Back to the first post. He died of wounds at Etaples (not Estables) the location of a large number of military hospitals in the Great War. His Commonwealth War Grave Commission details are here;
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/502801/jones,-/
War memorials were organised by local committees of the great and the good who, typically, would advertise for relatives to come forward with names for inclusion and use other ways of spreading the word, some effective, some not so effective. As he isn't on the local memorial is seems they just didn't catch up with him via whoever was still local.
MaxD
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Given that he was born in Malpas, I wonder if he's listed on the war memorial there :-\
Added - Link - close text is/making my eyes water but I don't see him listed:
https://www.warmemorialsonline.org.uk/memorial/113495
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His service record also states he died 28/10/16 at no. 4 General Hospital Camiers.
He became "dangerously ill" on the 27th.
However next to his entry when he was wounded on 26/9/16 it says DIED which appears incorrect but has been taken as his date of death.
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Hello
I am new to this site. my partner is the great grandson of William Jones 28320.
Jessie Jones was my partners mum's mum. And is the only living child of Jessie. We have been trying to find more information for her. Especially where he was born, she was brought up to know he was born on Scotland but research we have done has brought up that he was born in Malpas.
William appears on two cenotaph's cenf Mawr which is where his mum has always visited and we recently discovered he is also on the one on Ruabon too. We have established where he was in the war and his injuries etc
If anyone has any further information we would be forever grateful.